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I cannot read the hearts of men, but can do the math, and its not good enough or wise to assume in light of the fact that many have already been caught in fraud, and many more are being looked at closer, that humanitary reasons are what motivate some wealthy people into philanthropy, and a good name for good works has to be scrutized given those facts.
I believe in good people, don't get me wrong, but the bad do exist. And for sure the greedy want to look good.
You just assume then that if they lean conservative then their motives need to be questioned ?
"Part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances, in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society,”(The Communist Manifesto. )Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So if you were a pastor you wouldn't allow your church to accept money from sinners?
I assume no such thing as greedy, or downright evil doesn't have a party affiliation or social title. A good human, is a good human, liberal, or conservative or D's or R's.
"Trust but verify". Ronald Reagan
Great Reagan quote - largely irrelevant to philanthropy but entirely relevant to government "largesse." A dollar is a dollar to World Vision, just as long as they can keep caring for children that REALLY have nothing.
Reagans quote is relevant to many things I have found, and I am for great works, but we must always verify.
World Vision - World Vision statement regarding alleged fraud in Liberia
The worst in people can show up anywhere. Not blaming WV, but glad they closed a few loopholes.
Hi Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The point is that both sides are the same, there is no difference.
You don't see the significance of this?
P.S. What is a 'Fauxcahontas?
Tut
Um, World Vision auditing their own workers is fantastic. Not sure what that has to do with the motives of their donors.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So if there's no difference I guess we're all wasting our breath and our vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
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P.S. What is a 'Fauxcahontas?
Fauxcahontas is the left's latest Messiah and Senate candidate who falsely claimed Cherokee heritage to get ahead. She also apparently plagiarized recipes for a Cherokee cookbook and claimed she wasn't wealthy with a net worth of $14.5 million and a $429,000 salary.
That's a Fauxcahontas.
LOL, so the right expands the birther crap, while Mitt is unemployed??
What??
You think the Elizabeth Warren lies and academic fraud at Harvard Law School compares to the birther nonsense ? I think Harvard should seriously consider her termination.
"for at least six straight years during Warren's tenure, Harvard University reported in federally mandated diversity statistics that it had a Native American woman in its senior ranks at the law school. According to both Harvard officials and federal guidelines, those statistics are almost always based on the way employees describe themselves.”
http://articles.boston.com/2012-05-2...izabeth-warren
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Mitt sits at a table of low income people and said he was unemployed and you guys worry about Warrens' great great whoever. Unreal, I mean who cares what the spin is, its not worth digging in the weeds about. The topic is whose better, Its real simple to me, Mitts plan (officially online) has plenty of holes and assumptions we can question, and Obama has been clear about what he wants from the congress. The congress is clearly gumming up the works for real job creation, and that's the issue, not some nonsense about some bodies ancestors. That birther talk! Enough of this crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
The only one mentioning birthers here is you Tal. We don't need no stinkin' birther nonsense, Obama's incompetence and record is more than enough to run against.
Republicans and democrats have come out of recessions in the past by starting infrastructure projects, and hiring government workers, and modest targeted tax increases, now all of a sudden we can do none of that. 6,000 bridges that have failed inspections, what are we waiting for? Power transmission grids that are out dated antiquated, and inefficient, schools that are as old as I am, 80 year old water mains, man there are many things we should be doing if America gets off its lazy fat a$$!!
Well just maybe if we wean some of those lazy a$$es off the government's teat...
Besides ,it's not birther stuff ,it's genuine fraud. Did she or did she not get an advantage by lying about her heritage ? It's ethnic fraud ;which as a lib you should genuinely be appalled about because it undermines the programs your side champions to "level the playing field" . Was she alone ? Or were those liberal institutions of higher learning with ivory towers that recruited her complicit in the fraud ? Are the lies of the candidates on your side untouchable ? As I recall ;the major dinosaurs spent a lot of time trying to discredit GW Bush's past. Back then it wasn't the issues of the day they were concerned about... They tried to make his past the issue of the day.
Not al lot of hope of that while you are supersizing your burgers and fries TalQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Don't worry about that.. Nanny Bloomy and his flunkies are on the case . He recently set in motion what will be a ban on the selling of large sodas in NYC .
Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC HeadlinesQuote:
The board hand-picked by Mayor Michael Bloomberg that must approve his ban of selling large sugar-filled drinks at restaurants might be looking at other targets.
The New York City Board of Health showed support for limiting sizes of sugary drinks at a Tuesday meeting in Queens. They agreed to start the process to formalize the large-drink ban by agreeing to start a six-week public comment period.
At the meeting, some of the members of board said they should be considering other limits on high-calorie foods.
One member, Bruce Vladeck, thinks limiting the sizes for movie theater popcorn should be considered.
"The popcorn isn't a whole lot better than the soda," Vladeck said.
Another board member thinks milk drinks should fall under the size limits.
"There are certainly milkshakes and milk-coffee beverages that have monstrous amounts of calories," said board member Dr. Joel Forman.
Oh what fun they'll have when the tackle the Burger King summer menu.
Ice Cream Whopper: Burger King Offering Bacon Sundae CBS ConnecticutQuote:
The world's second biggest hamburger chain on Thursday is launching several pork, beef and chicken sandwiches as limited time offers. And for a sweet ending, the company is also offering a bacon sundae — vanilla soft serve with fudge, caramel, bacon crumbles and a piece of bacon — that started in Nashville, Tenn. Earlier this year.
The salty-sweet dessert clocks in at 510 calories, 18 grams of fat and 61 grams of sugar.
Hi Steve,Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Best to see Tom on that one. He provided the quote:
Part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances, in order to secure the continual existence of bourgeois society
I am pretty sure he also said on a number of occasion that when it comes to the welfare state both parties argue over who is better qualified to manage these affairs.
Tut
Yes I provided the Marx quote . He also saw an inherent evil in private charity . In the central command and control system that the progressives favor ,charity is best served by the government and utilized to expand their power..
You mean if its not tax deductible then no one will contribute to charity? Actually the propsal was to lower the deduction from 33% to 28%. For incomes above a thresh hold that doesn't evem apply to 95% of the wage earners.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...ons.aspx#page1
How about this one,Quote:
Fee-for-service is the single largest financial support for non-profits – about half of all revenue. Government grants provide another 30 percent. Charitable contributions are just 12 percent, with investment income accounting for the remainder.
Steuerle called for prohibiting deductions for the first $500 for individuals and $1,000 for families, since most economists believe this would not affect giving; better policing of in-kind contributions, since the value deducted often far exceeds the actual cash delivered to charities; and adjusting the foundation pay-out rules to even out giving over the business cycle.
The CBO report, which used data from the 2006 tax year, said adopting a floor before the deduction kicked in, if coupled with limiting the deduction to a 25 percent refundable tax credit (which would lessen its value for filers in higher tax brackets), would generate an additional $1.5 billion a year for charity. At the same time, it would cut the $1.3 trillion budget deficit by $2.4 billion a year.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/public-s...st-red-states/
I guess the president isn't entirely to blame on the economy.Quote:
As we've written before (article, white paper), the 11 states that the Republicans took over during the 2010 midterm elections – Alabama, Indiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – account for 40.5 percent of the total losses. By itself, Texas accounts for an additional 31 percent of the total losses. So these 12 states account for over 70 percent of total public sector job losses in 2011. This is even more important because there was a continued decline in public sector workers in 2011 even though the economy was no longer in free fall.
http://www.nationofchange.org/why-ec...ear-1339597353
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Can I say this any more simply? The earnings of the great American middle class fueled the great American expansion for three decades after World War II. Their relative lack of earnings in more recent years set us up for the great American bust.
Now can we drop this LIE, about who are the REAL job creators, and who are the rich and greedy? I think you conservatives are just the lookouts while the gang robs us ordinary people. No, its not just rhetoric from the left, because we all see the dust from the bandits going RIGHT, and you guys say they went thataway, and point Left.Quote:
Get it? We won't get out of first gear until the middle class regains the bargaining power it had in the first three decades after World War II to claim a much larger share of the gains from productivity growth.
Here it is, the ultimate reason to vote for Obama - nearly 65% of those polled think Obama would handle an alien invasion better than Romney. It's probably because he's one of them.
LOL, I hope they have their papers on them. If they land in Arizona they go to jail if they don't.
I can see Apaio saying "papers please?". Then deporting them.
Good one Tal, they're aliens so they are probably much more advanced than we are and know better than to land in Arizona. Or Texas, we're all armed to the teeth you know.
Little green men or little brown men it's all the same, shot it, bag it and tag it
What if the aliens have better guns? Just asking. I would be cautious about some one who could fly through that far in a space ship.
I think I've seen to many movies. The wife says they are already here, and would go to McDonald's before they went to the White House.
So you think the aliens like chew and spew or that they see the golden arches as a welcome sign, get out the Frank Ifield now
Frank Ifield - I remember you (1962) - YouTube
Agent K is a Texan you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Texans won't get you out of it they caused the last mess
Don't mess with Texas Clete!!
Barnie Frank is not a Texan.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
George Bush is a texan we can thank him for Iraq and going a bit further back GHW Bush is a texan and we can thank him for not finishing the job and Lyndon B Johnson was a texan and he escalated the involvement in Vietnam, so Tal the next texan who puts up his hand, shot him
Perry got shot down in his presidential bid.
Well, maybe if the rest of the world would get off their a$$ and do something you could criticize them for a change instead of projecting all your misery on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Hey speech I don't have any misery when you stop projecting misery on the world I'll stop sending it back where it came from. I know you don't like to look in the mirror but sometimes you have too, Just remember it is your country that spends more than the rest of the world combined on the military. What are you afraid of?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
With great power comes great responsibility. Admit it ,you like the American deterence.
No I don't like it because realistically we don't need it, I haven't seen a single american warship deter an asylum seeker boat or even rescue one, where was america when East Timor was being ripped apart by Indonesia, in either instance they were nowhere to be seen. However american military power has created the situation where millions of refugees look in our direction to deliver them.
Your deterence is to keep your own shores safe from I'm unsure what, the North Korean navy, if there is such a thing, the Chinese navy, perhaps the rusting Russian fleet, perhaps the Iran navy. It was used to destroy Iraq, hardly deterence. You see Tom I'm feed up to the teeth with the rhetoric of deterence, MAD no longer impresses in the way it once did.
No your deterence is to project your military power, as the bully on the block you carry a very big stick, not to mention your Saturday night special
And I'm fed up to the teeth with ingrates that rely on American protection at the same time they complain about it.
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