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  • Dec 8, 2011, 04:22 PM
    talaniman
    But Tom, who cares who the repubs run for president, righties always say ANYBODY is better so what's the big deal?

    You guys CAN'T lose, right?
  • Dec 8, 2011, 05:48 PM
    tomder55
    This is the primaries. I don't have to settle for "anybody " yet.
  • Dec 8, 2011, 07:50 PM
    paraclete
    What a storm in a tea cup, newt or mitt or donald or... why don't you just have write in a candidate
  • Dec 8, 2011, 08:09 PM
    talaniman
    LOL, that would be something! Mickey Mouse ends up winning the primary with a write in vote!
  • Dec 9, 2011, 12:25 AM
    paraclete
    It's a plan!
  • Dec 9, 2011, 03:30 AM
    tomder55
    Mickey Mouse already occupies the highest office in the land .
    The Trumps debate is down to 2 candidates... Newt and Santorum.. Bachmann dropped out yesterday. Now if only Santorum would drop out then Newt could debate himself.. He has enough contradictory posititions and is so full of himself that he could easily fill the time.
  • Dec 30, 2011, 07:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    I'm saying it now, Romney will be the guy. It will be over after New Hampshire. So who is going to be his running mate?
  • Dec 30, 2011, 08:00 AM
    tomder55
    Assuming you are correct (I can't make that call yet until I see how this recent Santorum surge goes )... then there are many good choices for Veep for Romney . He will need to balance the ticket with a conservative and someone who isn't from the Northeast( sorry Christie)

    Bob McDowell of Va,
    Bobby Jindal of La.
    Marco Rubio of Fla.
    Michelle Bachman
    Haley Barbour of Miss. Who faces term limits this year.
    Susana Martinez of NM.
    John Kaisich of Ohio .

    Paul Ryan Rep Wisconsin .
    Thad McCotter Rep Michigan.

    My guess would be McDowell or Kaisich. Virginia and Ohio are swing states.

    Wild card... I keep hearing rumors about Luis Fortuño of Puerto Rico .
  • Dec 30, 2011, 08:29 AM
    speechlesstx
    There's also speculation about Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio. I could be wrong on Romney, Santorum's surge seems to be for real. I Just don't know how long he can hold out.
  • Dec 30, 2011, 08:36 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    So, it's Mitt's turn, huh? I don't know WHY you do this to yourselves.. There's DOZENS of Republicans who could beat Obama. We've talked about 'em. But, Romney isn't one of them. Oh, he MIGHT win... But, how is he going to argue about Obamacare, when he's got Romneycare? And, that's the ONLY thing Republicans got.

    Shades of Sharron Angle...

    Let me see, two more Supreme Court appointments, and Citizens United is HISTORY!! Thank you, Republicans!

    excon
  • Dec 30, 2011, 08:41 AM
    speechlesstx
    I don't think I've made any predictions until now so I haven't done anything to myself. I just think it's going to be Romney. You do remember of course that Obama and Clinton went at this a long time after weeding out the other 6, so it isn't just Republicans.
  • Dec 30, 2011, 09:50 AM
    tomder55
    It would be typical of the Repubics to pick someone like Romney . They like to select moderates that lose.
  • Dec 30, 2011, 11:04 AM
    talaniman
    Lol, that's only because the right wing hates everybody but the right wing. All the righties are fighting each other, even the book tour candidates, the closet moderate is the frontrunner, hollering conservative, and the smartest, most experienced and accomplished republican is never mentioned, Huntsman.
  • Dec 30, 2011, 11:27 AM
    tomder55
    I'm not willing to make a call until after Fla or even as late as Super Tues.
    If the Ronulans infiltrate the Iowa caucus(s) and Paul takes Iowa then it will be wide open until the multi-state primary days.

    I can see split decisions until at least Fla . Paul Iowa ;Romney NH ;maybe a tossup in SC with Gingrich and/or Santorum in play .
    If Mittens takes Iowa I think his NH win will make him inevidible .

    I shudder to think of the campaign with both the President and Romney staking claim as best managers of the new normal . Romney isn't change .He is a more efficient competent manager .

    Yes this could come down to VEEPs . Rumors are still swirlling about Evita becoming 2nd fiddle or even Evan Bayh .
    Obama needs to recapture the PUMA voters who he abandoned as "bitter clingers " .

    Quote:

    My political prediction for 2012 (based on absolutely no inside information): Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden swap places. Biden becomes Secretary of State -- a position he's apparently coveted for years. And Hillary Clinton, Vice President.

    So the Democratic ticket for 2012 is Obama-Clinton.

    Why do I say this? Because Obama needs to stir the passions and enthusiasms of a Democratic base that's been disillusioned with his cave-ins to regressive Republicans. Hillary Clinton on the ticket can do that.

    Moreover, the economy won't be in superb shape in the months leading up to Election Day. Indeed, if the European debt crisis grows worse and if China's economy continues to slow, there's a better than even chance we'll be back in a recession. Clinton would help deflect attention from the bad economy and put it on foreign policy, where she and Obama have shined.

    The deal would also make Clinton the obvious Democratic presidential candidate in 2016 -- offering the Democrats a shot at twelve (or more) years in the White House, something the Republicans had with Ronald Reagan and the first George Bush but which the Democrats haven't had since FDR. Twelve years gives the party in power a chance to reshape the Supreme Court as well as put an indelible stamp on America.
    Robert Reich blogging at huffingtonpost.com


    One name I did not mention on my list for Romney is General Petraeus .

    Will Paul defect and run a 3rd party challenge ( I can see all the white sheets already)? Will the N0 Labels tap into Bloomy's $$$$$$ and throw a name into the ring ?
  • Dec 30, 2011, 11:36 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Will Paul defect and run a 3rd party challenge ( I can see all the white sheets already)? Will the N0 Labels tap into Bloomy's $$$$$$ and throw a name into the ring ?

    Hello tom:

    Yes..

    Plus, Gary Johnson is now running as a Libertarian and Buddy Rhomer might be the Elect Party candidate. The Donald will threaten to run as usual, and Jeb Bush will jump in at the convention. But, the REAL 9th party candidate will be Sarah Palin.

    It's looking good for Obama.

    excon
  • Dec 30, 2011, 01:39 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Lol, thats only because the right wing hates everybody but the right wing. All the righties are fighting each other, even the book tour candidates, the closet moderate is the frontrunner, hollering conservative, and the smartest, most experienced and accomplished republican is never mentioned, Huntsman.

    Huntsman has done nothing to distinguish himself in the debates . I like him but if I went by his performance then he is...
    Chicago - Mr. Cellophane - YouTube
  • Dec 30, 2011, 01:48 PM
    tomder55
    Palin won't run independent ;and if there is a serious draft Sarah movement... she could do to the nominee what the Swimmer did to Carter .

    Question... will the Progressives run a late challenge to the President ? They isn't happy "campers" these days . They were in Iowa yesterday raising a ruckus over GITMO . If only the compliant press would cover the news... While they were freezing their hoofies in Iowa ,the Pesident played a 7 hr round of golf. Lol It's not like he has to go fish for his shanks .
  • Dec 30, 2011, 02:14 PM
    speechlesstx
    No Ex, I can pretty well guarantee Republicans will get behind the eventual nominee... which is going to be Mitt. And he's currently doing much better than Obama in polling and that's before we get behind our one guy.
  • Jan 2, 2012, 07:45 AM
    tomder55
    Going into tomorrows caucus(s) in Iowa the latest polling shows a virtual tie between Romney ,Paul and the surging Santorum .
    Quote:

    Santorum's net favorability of 60/30 makes him easily the most popular candidate in the field. No one else's favorability exceeds 52%. He may also have more room to grow in the final 48 hours of the campaign than the other front runners: 14% of voters say he's their second choice to 11% for Romney and only 8% for Paul. Santorum's taken the lead with two key groups of Republican voters: with Tea Partiers he's at 23% to 18% for Gingrich, 16% for Paul, 15% for Bachmann, and only 12% for Romney. And with Evangelicals he's at 24% to 16% for Gingrich, and 15% for Paul and Romney.

    Quote:

    Paul still has a very decent chance at winning on Tuesday- it just depends on whether his unusual coalition of young voters and non-Republicans really comes out to caucus. Among actual Republican voters Paul is tied for 3rd place with Gingrich at 17%, behind Romney's 21% and Santorum's 19%. But with independents and Democrats who plan to vote, which we peg at 24% of the electorate, Paul leads with 30% to just 14% each for Santorum and Romney.

    Headed for a Photo Finish in Iowa - Public Policy Polling

    When will the Republican learn to close their primaries to non-Republicans ? This infiltration and sabotage of the process is what leads to weak candidates .
  • Jan 2, 2012, 09:55 AM
    talaniman
    Especially when the candidates are weak to begin with.
  • Jan 2, 2012, 10:12 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    Ok, on the eve of the caucus, I'm calling it. Rick Santorum wins. Romney 2nd. Paul 3rd. Perry 4th. Bachmann 5th, and drops out. Gingrich 6th.

    excon
  • Jan 3, 2012, 08:20 PM
    tomder55
    Can't stay up a any longer tonight.. Santorum has taken a slight lead and if the results stand as they are now then Ex wins the trifecta .
  • Jan 4, 2012, 05:29 AM
    tomder55
    Mittens won by a wisker. Next on to NH where he will romp. The question is if Santorum can get any support there since he spent almost all his time in Iowa.

    The subject of this posting ,Gingrich got hammered and is not a happy camper . He plans on going negative on Romney . Watch his numbers in South Carolina to see if he can rebound.
  • Jan 4, 2012, 01:33 PM
    talaniman
    BYE BYE MICHELLE B. and to bad Perry's wife won't let him quit like he wants to.

    Newt is gunning for Mitt now, he wants his revenge. And he reserves the right to tell the truth!>snicker

    Ya think Romney will pick Bachman as a running mate now?
  • Jan 4, 2012, 02:37 PM
    tomder55
    No . There are other credible conservatives that would balance the ticket better ,and Bachmann is needed in the House to keep Speaker Bonehead in line .

    Besides ,I am not one that says it is a given that Romney will win. I am a bit surprised he did as well as he did in Iowa. But if Santorum plays this smart ;his showing yesterday can take him a long way.
    I'm also not one who thinks it urgent for the Republicans to rush to a decision.
    I think the knock down battle between Evita and the President was a good thing for the President and the Dems. They kept their message in the forefront all spring of 2008 going into the conventions.

    Looking forward to the next debate. The moderators will no longer be able to ignore Santorum.
  • Jan 4, 2012, 03:10 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Looking forward to the next debate. The moderators will no longer be able to ignore Santorum.


    When Santorum's ideas become common knowledge (which they will, now), voters will desert him in droves. Last man standing in this comedy will be Romney. Dark horse - Huntsman.

    (Excon pretty much nailed it last night).
  • Jan 4, 2012, 05:09 PM
    tomder55
    On this discussion I identified Santorum as my favorite remaining candidate.
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ld-618297.html

    I will be glad to have a discussion on his policy positions. I imagine that he will at least initially have to fend off charges from the right that he is not conservative enough. Later the left will chime in that he is too extreme right winged.
  • Jan 4, 2012, 05:15 PM
    excon
    Hello again, tom:

    “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country. Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

    I wonder what he really means when he said things are "counter to how things are supposed to be". Don't you?? He's certainly an adherent to Intelligent Design as opposed to evolution.. Maybe he thinks medicine should be practiced the way it was BEFORE biology.

    Seems like this small government conservative wants the government IN every bedroom in the country... I'm a small government liberal.

    We can't let this koo koo get his hands on the levers and buttons of government... But, he'll self destruct on his own.

    excon
  • Jan 4, 2012, 05:53 PM
    paraclete
    Wow Ex I never took you for a conservative and yet you have a more conservative position than the candidate.

    Do you think that because the candidate has a position on right to life, etc that this disqualifies him from government. On the contrary being up front about his views should commend him. You know where he stands. You also know where he stands in respect of religion. Should this also disqualify him? Democracy allows him to have this opinion and yet because a President doesn't make the laws he can still be representative of the people.
  • Jan 4, 2012, 07:38 PM
    excon
    Hello clete:

    So, if you were a gun nut, you'd be comfortable electing a person who believes NOBODY should have guns??

    Really?? Dude!

    excon
  • Jan 4, 2012, 07:48 PM
    tomder55
    I'll paraphrase your hero .

    No one should vote either for him or against him because of his religious beliefs... they are irrelevant .
  • Jan 4, 2012, 07:53 PM
    talaniman
    The latest nut will crack like all those before him, its just his turn in the barrel. Just for context though, while everyone was gathered for the repubs caucus, the prez hosted a tele conference of Iowa democrats, and drew 25,000 democrats. Just saying.
  • Jan 4, 2012, 08:00 PM
    tomder55
    Yeah I saw it. With all the technical glitches he looked like a 21st century Max Headroom.

    He looks terrible by the way... maybe he is overworked and in need of a vacation... bwaaahaaaahaaaahhaaa
  • Jan 4, 2012, 08:04 PM
    talaniman
    NAW, prez went to OHIO, and bashed the repubs again.
  • Jan 5, 2012, 08:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    Yep and that's his game plan, bash the Republicans. He made another strategic and probably unconstitutional move yesterday by making 4 "recess" appointments - 3 of whom had been submitted to the Senate only 3 weeks ago - even though the senate isn't in recess, precisely so he can keep painting Republicans as do-nothing obstructionists. But hey, since you can't run on your record...
  • Jan 5, 2012, 09:07 AM
    excon
    Hello again, Steve:

    Nahhh.. Obama has got this one in the bank.

    You DO know that our beloved Constitution gives the president the POWER to make recess appointments. IF the congress is REALLY in recess, and they're opening and closing sessions simply to PREVENT the president from performing a Constitutional duty, then I'd say the congress is performing a SHAM upon the American people and the courts WILL agree.

    excon
  • Jan 5, 2012, 09:35 AM
    excon
    Hello again,

    WOULD I BE WILLING to continue to have Muslim children slaughtered by covert drones and cluster bombs, and America's minorities imprisoned by the hundreds of thousands for no good reason (drug war), and the CIA able to run rampant with no checks or transparency, and privacy eroded further by the unchecked Surveillance State, and American citizens targeted by the President for assassination with no due process, and whistleblowers threatened with life imprisonment for “espionage,” and the Fed able to dole out trillions to bankers in secret, and a substantially higher risk of war with Iran (fought by the U.S. or by Israel with U.S. support)

    IN EXCHANGE FOR less severe cuts to Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, the preservation of the Education and Energy Departments, more stringent environmental regulations, broader health care coverage, defense of reproductive rights for women, stronger enforcement of civil rights for America's minorities, a President with no associations with racist views??

    No, I would NOT. I've said before that the ONLY reason to reelect Obama is for the SCOTUS appointments he's going to make.. Now, I believe Ron Paul would appoint Supreme Court Justices that I would LOVE. That's why HE'S the best guy for the job.

    excon
  • Jan 5, 2012, 09:37 AM
    tomder55
    “I will keep the Senate in pro forma session to block the President from doing an end run around the Senate and the Constitution with his controversial nominations.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.15980, 12/19/07)
  • Jan 5, 2012, 09:40 AM
    tomder55
    I really think it's time to change the Constitution . Either the President doesn't need advise and consent or he does.
    Recess appointments had validity in the horse and buggy days. But all they are today is a means to bypass the legitimate role of the Senate.

    And yes the move by Obama is unconstitutional . But no one will do anything about it . The President likes to make decisions and let the law catch up with him.
  • Jan 5, 2012, 09:52 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    WOULD I BE WILLING to continue to have Muslim children slaughtered by covert drones and cluster bombs, and America's minorities imprisoned by the hundreds of thousands for no good reason (drug war), and the CIA able to run rampant with no checks or transparency, and privacy eroded further by the unchecked Surveillance State, and American citizens targeted by the President for assassination with no due process, and whistleblowers threatened with life imprisonment for “espionage,” and the Fed able to dole out trillions to bankers in secret, and a substantially higher risk of war with Iran (fought by the U.S. or by Israel with U.S. support)

    IN EXCHANGE FOR less severe cuts to Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, the preservation of the Education and Energy Departments, more stringent environmental regulations, broader health care coverage, defense of reproductive rights for women, stronger enforcement of civil rights for America's minorities, a President with no associations with racist views???

    No, I would NOT. I've said before that the ONLY reason to reelect Obama is for the SCOTUS appointments he's going to make.. Now, I believe Ron Paul would appoint Supreme Court Justices that I would LOVE. That's why HE'S the best guy for the job.

    excon

    Ron Paul of course has proposed $trillions in cuts that would have course have an impact on some of your sacred cows . And that is only with the things he says. What he does (in Congress at least ) is a horse of a different color. Oh he pays lip service to things like the space program being privatized. Then he signs a letter to the President asking that the Nasa Constellation 'pig in a poke 'program get reinstated

    But just by what he says ;both the Energy and Education Depts would get the deep six under his plans . He would cut all the programs you love and make the country less secure with his 17th century view of international relations .

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