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  • Sep 6, 2011, 10:26 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    I'm not into giving people a free lunch either, and certainly there are SOME of those...

    But, as I have corrected you before, what you're saying is just NOT SO! The BULK of the 47% of the people you're talking about, DO contribute just like YOU and I do. True, the don't pay income taxes, but they pay PLENTY of federal taxes where most of the federal budget is derived... Just to list a few taxes they pay: Payroll taxes, unemployment taxes, Medicare taxes, federal telephone taxes, federal gasoline taxes, federal excise taxes, and they pay plenty of state taxes too, like sales tax, cigarette tax, beer tax, highway tax, car tab fees, drivers license fees, and I could go on and on... Yup. Looks like they contribute to ME.

    So, if you wanna repeat right wing talking points, be prepared to BACK them up...

    excon

    Federal Income tax is a federal tax... state taxes are state taxes, MANY states the income tax are factored and based against your Federal income tax returns... Reduce or eliminate the Federal and the state obligation decreases or goes away too.

    And many of these worthless lumps don't just get away with paying nothing... many get money back for doing nothing but breathing. That is a net LOSS for the Federal tax coffers... which means they are worse than simply not contributing... they are siphoning off tax dollars that might actually go to something useful (but more than likely just some pork project).
  • Sep 6, 2011, 10:32 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You guys have a 50% employment rate?????

    Where did you get that from? 47% of the population effectively pay no income tax... thanks to liberal tax credits... and worse, many of those actually get money back from the tax trough they never earned or had deducted in the first place...

    Not sure how taxes are handled in Canada... but here its all smoke and mirrors... they pretend to pay... but thanks to lefty breaks and adjustments... they might get $10,000 returned when there was only $3,000 withheld in the first place.

    That means $7,000 of someone else's taxes went not to the government to pay for government projects... but to some lefty who dropped out of high school. Or feels working hard to get ahead is against his civil rights.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 11:19 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    47% of the population effectively pay no income tax.

    Oh you referring to that myth.

    It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

    Daily Kos: Breaking Down the 'Half Pay No Taxes' Myth

    47 Percent 'Don't Pay Taxes'? No Big Deal - Business - The Atlantic Wire
  • Sep 6, 2011, 11:43 AM
    smoothy
    If you are going to pull out blogs with no accountability or credibility... I'm sure I can find a blog or two that claim Obama is a space alien too. But that's not going to prove anything either.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 11:47 AM
    NeedKarma
    You mean those article I posted with links to their sources? Yea, those.

    You just don't even bother even looking at them do you?
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:01 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You have that backwards - that's a neocon tactic called "the shock doctrine". Google it.

    Ah, so some Canadian author's conspiracy theory is what we should be worried about? I'd put that in the same category as "the Dominionist conspiracy." Total BS.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:01 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You mean those article I posted with links to their sources? Yea, those.

    You just don't even bother even looking at them do you?

    I looked at them... obscure no-name pro-liberal blog places with no real reputation at any of them. Just because you find it on the net doesn't mean its true.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:02 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Okay I'll bite, how much should a $19,000 (The per capita income of TEXAS), family of FOUR, be expected pay in income taxes?

    Id say right about 15% after they get their prebate. That covers the tax on the basics for a family of 4. Pass the fair tax and be done with it.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:06 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    I looked at them......obscure no-name pro-liberal blog places with no real reputation at any of them. Just because you find it on the net doesn't mean its true.

    So these places are all discounted by you:
    Census.gov
    Finance,senate.gov
    IRS.gov

    All those all liberal conspiracy sites?
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:21 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Quote by Calidad;
    Id say right about 15% after they get their prebate. That covers the tax on the basics for a family of 4. Pass the fair tax and be done with it.
    So that means a family of 4 can live off roughly $16,150 dollars a year, after taxes.


    Quote:

    In 2009, in the United States of America, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was US$11,161; the threshold for a family group of four, including two children, was US$21,756.
    Poverty threshold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Poverty Thresholds 2009 - U.S Census Bureau

    That makes Texas a welfare state right?? The Gov. of that welfare state wants to be President based on his accomplishments on behalf of that welfare state.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 01:52 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So that means a family of 4 can live off of roughly $16,150 dollars a year, after taxes.




    Poverty threshold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Poverty Thresholds 2009 - U.S Census Bureau

    That makes Texas a welfare state right??? The Gov. of that welfare state wants to be President based on his accomplishments on behalf of that welfare state.

    If you go by the fair tax then that 16,150 would be adjusted up by the amount they receive in the prebate. And if your asking can they live at that level? If they are then it stands to reason they can. There still may be other programs in place to help.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 02:35 PM
    talaniman
    Can you support YOUR family on $336 dollars a week? With no help for rent, utilities, transportation, education, or medicine??

    My point, that's a hard living with a couple of kids, and no outside help. But those programs are the very ones being put on the cut list. Those are the new jobs being created here, a majority at least, and the unemployment rate is ticking up, not down. What am I missing here, because we still have a big deficit.

    I can get with tax reform, but I am not seeing how more working poor jobs gets the economy working again? Help!!
  • Sep 6, 2011, 04:54 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    So these places are all discounted by you:
    census.gov
    finance,senate.gov
    irs.gov

    All those all liberal conspiracy sites?

    Do you actually believe the true unemployment rate is what the government reports? You would be VERY wrong to say yes... that number only counts those actually collecting benefits... not how many are actually unemployed that want to be working, those who gave up trying or those whose benefits have run out. The REAL unemployment numbers are far higher than the fudged numbers are intended to lead you believe.

    But I suppose the libs only believe the government completely when a liberal is in office... here's a newsflash... the libs lie even more than the average politician. And you don't think a government worker isn't influenced to do what the powers that be demands... without fear of payback... think again. If the government is involved... you can count on someone cooking the books.

    And besides... YOU didn't quote those sources anyway... you picked three practically unknown liberal blogs.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 05:16 PM
    NeedKarma
    All right Smoothy, post your sources that you trust or shut up forever about liberal conspiracies.
  • Sep 6, 2011, 05:19 PM
    NeedKarma
    Also you never ever comment on the content of articles, you always deflect to some other argunment that you invent.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 04:52 AM
    paraclete
    Hey Karma you know he is right, the figures are fudged. Knowing that doesn't help the situation, it just means that the recovery is further away
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:00 AM
    speechlesstx
    Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?

    Quote:

    Imagine this scenario: The IRS may soon just do your taxes for you — and send you the bill.

    If this sounds farfetched, it’s not.

    With a new congressional “super committee” tasked with finding $1.5 trillion in cuts by November, creative ways to find additional revenue are in high demand. And allowing the IRS to prepare you taxes could be one solution.

    The idea has been around for a while, but has been picking up steam in recent years. In 2006, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) argued it would close a $345 billion annual difference between what the government believes taxpayers owe them and what the IRS actually collects, which he calls the “tax gap.”

    “I think the solution [to the tax gap problem] is to get rid of the middle-man and no fees required,” he said.

    Obama’s former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers Austan Goolsbee made a strong case for it in a 2006 New York Times op-ed, explaining, “… the revenue service could send you a tax form already filled out with the information it has for you — a Simple Return — rather than a blank tax form. You would simply check the numbers against your W-2 and 1099 and then sign it.”

    But this isn’t just an idea floated by senators and presidential advisers. While running for president, then-Sen. Barack Obama touted it during a 2007 speech at the Tax Policy Institute: “The government already collects wage and bank account information,” he said, “so there’s no reason the IRS can’t send Americans pre-filled tax forms to verify.”

    While the notion of allowing government to encroach on yet another aspect of our lives might sound like a hard sell, members of the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA) believe this is a very real threat.

    “There is a fundamental conflict of interest if the tax collectors also become the tax preparer,” said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black. “If you don’t trust the fox to guard your hen house, why trust the IRS to do your taxes. It’s the same exact thing. They make it sound so convenient, but it’s really just a convenient way to kiss your deductions and tax credits goodbye.”

    Black is among the increasing number of voices who worry the “super committee” might see this as a quick way to raise taxes by $345 billion per year – the amount of the “tax gap” – without a single member of Congress ever having to vote for a tax increase.
    What could possibly go wrong?
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:06 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?
    What could possibly go wrong?

    Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:12 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    the “super committee” might see this as a quick way to raise taxes by $345 billion per year – the amount of the “tax gap” – without a single member of Congress ever having to vote for a tax increase.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    What could possibly go wrong?

    Hello again, Steve:

    I'm not sure what you're saying... Are you saying that the super committee can make all the CUTS they want WITHOUT a vote, and that's FINE with you?? But, let 'em raise taxes, and YOU want it VOTED on??

    That ain't right.

    Excon
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:26 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.

    Nothing? If the IRS is going to fill out my form for me they just can just do the work also and send me the check. Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:27 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I'm not sure what you're saying... Are you saying that the super committee can make all the CUTS they want WITHOUT a vote, and that's FINE with you??? But, let 'em raise taxes, and YOU want it VOTED on???

    That ain't right.

    excon

    I'm saying the idea of the IRS doing my taxes for me is nuts. Are you ready to turn your finances over to the feds?

    P.S. You did good in your draft. Not as good as me but solid.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:41 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Nothing? If the IRS is going to fill out my form for me they just can just do the work also and send me the check. Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.

    From your own post:
    Quote:

    “… the revenue service could send you a tax form already filled out with the information it has for you — a Simple Return — rather than a blank tax form. You would simply check the numbers against your W-2 and 1099 and then sign it.”
    You're making stuff up to be outraged more than last time you were outraged. That's a lot of outrage.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:41 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Are you ready to turn your finances over to the feds?

    Hello again, Steve:

    I'm STILL not sure what you're saying... If they do the MATH, but FORGET a deduction that I'm entitled to, I'll find it. If they do the math, and YOU don't find YOUR deductions, I'm not going to feel bad for you. If they do the math, and TOOK away my deduction arbitrarily, then I wouldn't like it... But, they won't do that.

    Now, if the writer (and you) are worried about being forced to let the IRS do your entire return as it stands now, I think you could find more CREDIBLE things to worry about, like an invasion from MARS... But, you guys like to make big to do's about nothing..

    excon
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:58 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You're making stuff up to be outraged more than last time you were outraged. That's a lot of outrage.

    Your representation of me as "outraged" is "making stuff up." Please stop making stuff up about me and find someone else to stalk before you end up getting yet another thread closed. I'm serious dude, I will not tolerate you misrepresenting me one bit.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:04 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Your representation of me as "outraged" is "making stuff up."

    You mean like this:
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.

  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:05 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    I'm STILL not sure what you're saying...

    No one is stirring up a conspiracy, I'm just having a discussion over an item of interest in the news. A possibility, which as noted has been advocated for by the president and others. Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing? I don't, I think it's about as stupid an idea as I've ever heard.

    Forgive me for thinking you wouldn't trust the government that much as well. I can never guess when you're going to protest their intrusions and when you're going to trust them.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:07 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing?

    They aren't. They are sending pre-filled in forms to you to verify and sign. This is like the third time I mention it to you but you keep misrepresenting your own original post on the subject.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:16 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You mean like this:

    You never give up do you? That was a figure of speech to address the premise of "letting the IRS do your taxes," not the person, you.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:19 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They aren't. They are sending pre-filled in forms to you to verify and sign. This is like the third time I mention it to you but you keep misrepresenting your own original post on the subject.

    Please, go stalk someone else.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:23 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing? I don't.

    Forgive me for thinking you wouldn't trust the government that much as well. I can never guess when you're going to protest their intrusions and when you're going to trust them.

    Hello again, Steve:

    Here's the thing... Given the way taxes are calculated today, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the IRS to fill out my form.. So, although I would object, I could find more things to object to than something that ISN'T going to happen, EVER...

    Now, if they SIMPLIFIED the tax code like they SAY they're going to do, then I'm NOT going to HAVE any deductions, and then I wouldn't mind if the IRS filled in the blanks.

    excon
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:30 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.

    I can see nothing that could go right with that... they already have disclaimers if you called for tax advice on their advice line it might lot even be factual much less legal... coming from them... I certainly don't trust them do do anything involving my hard earned money.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:33 AM
    speechlesstx
    They aren't ever going to simplify the tax code either. But if people are willing to let them fill in the blanks I won't get in their way.

    Me, I'm not crazy about the idea of having to challenge their figures if they get it wrong. I like it much better as it is, them having to prove me wrong, not me having to prove them wrong.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 09:39 AM
    talaniman
    Its not that hard, or scary, if you don't like their figures you electronically file an amendment, with your figures, that's what I have been doing for years. You don't have to wait for them to send anything really, but that's an option. I download the forms fill them out, and mail them.

    Piece of cake.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 03:08 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?



    What could possibly go wrong?

    It is actually a good idea and has been operating successfully here in recent years in an electronic setting. Identify yourself, download the software with prefilled information, make adjustments and submit, Very simple
  • Sep 7, 2011, 03:41 PM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    It is actually a good idea and has been operating successfully here in recent years in an electronic setting. Identify yourself, download the software with prefilled information, make adjustments and submit, Very simple

    But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

    Sorry... I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:09 PM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

    Sorry.....I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.

    You need to get a better government
  • Sep 7, 2011, 08:46 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

    Sorry.....I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.

    How long have you been in the Tea party
  • Sep 8, 2011, 05:23 AM
    smoothy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    How long have you been in the Tea party

    Before you discount that you should actually look into it, its no great national secret like Obamas school records... if you watched TV at all anywhere near the tax deadline they tell you that every year... its no great secret... and it the Lefty Drive by media is who puts that information out between their discertations of Democrat Party Propaganda. So you HAVE to take them at their word... they may throw you under the bus if you don't.
  • Sep 8, 2011, 06:44 AM
    excon
    Hello again:

    I'm willing to have an ADULT conversation with a winger, but you can't do that cause they HOLD back.. Every single "adult" conversation THEY want to have is about cutting entitlements... The STUPID Democrats engage the wingers in THAT conversation giving it credence, where it deserves NO credence whatsoever...

    Now, I don't disagree with the WINGER position that we need to LIVE within our means. I'm even WINGYIER than they are on budgetary matters, and SMALL government matters...

    But, when I look at the federal budget, I look at the WHOLE budget, and not just the part the emails said I should be looking at...

    So, in its simplest form, we can BALANCE our budget very SIMPLY if we ended the two wars we know about, and the 15 or so that we DON'T know about, trimmed down the surveillance state, let the Bush tax cuts end, and make a few adjustment to our entitlement programs...

    Oh, and I'd institute Medicare for all Medical costs are rising faster than we can keep up. It's KILLING us. Medicare for all will nip it in the bud.

    A little tinkering here and there, and we're DONE. That's all! Next??

    excon
  • Sep 8, 2011, 07:52 AM
    smoothy
    Ex... Is your idea of an "Adult" conversation as one restricted to and limited to what you personally want it to be in content?

    Have you taken a look at the mess Medicare is in right now... they can't pay for their current obligations and you want to pile on more?

    Get rid of the pork... the pet projects... and all the blatant political payback projects like 100% of the "stimulus" program that only benifited major liberal campaign donors.

    STOP spending more than we take in... just like every other person has to do...

    Make EVERYONE pay the same percentage of their income... and stop giving the majority of tax breaks to Democrat slum dwellers... get rid of Obamacare since most liberal organisations were granted wavers exempting themselves from it by the Messiah.

    And OH... how about taking away all of HOLLYWOODS tax breaks... with the money they make and the money they throw around in salaries... they clearly don't need them.


    But then... King Barry, and Queen Harry (Nancy got demoted)seem to think they are royalty and are entitled to spend as much as they want... and that you can spend your way out of debt.

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