So you want Obama again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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So you want Obama again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yup. I want him to be re-elected like we did Bush -- to clean up his mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
He's been a disappointment to me.. I want him to be re-elected solely because of the Supreme Court Justices that'll be appointed in the next term... If, ANY Republican wins, no matter WHO, the gains we made in the 20th Century will be REVERSED in the 21st.
excon
I thought you were a Republican. I never see any signs of that from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
ROFLMAO, you can't be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Why not? Rick Perry asks people if they read his book, because THAT'S what he's going to DO. Do you think he's LYING? I don't. I've seen what the Republican governors did when they had NO opposition. I've seen things happen in this country that I NEVER thought I would. That's NEVER!! Stuff, like Florida governor Rick Scott DRUG TESTING everybody who applies for welfare... He doesn't test RICH people who take state money!
To ME, and obviously not to you, that is such a fundamental VIOLATION of what America USED to be about. That's not going to end with a Republican president, control of the house, and probably the senate. It's going to go on STEROIDS! You talk about losing your culture... Yet, you don't mind destroying MINE...
If Citizens United happened with a DIVIDED court, I have NO DOUBT, that the entire social safety net, and every single civil right that was fought for, and achieved throughout the 20th Century WILL BE REVERSED in the 21st.
What I can't believe, is that YOU don't believe it. It's what YOU support. It's going to be right wing nirvana.
excon
I'm a registered Republican and vote for whoever looks the most reasonably reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If Charles Manson somehow got a pardon tomorrow... he would make a better President than Obama has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And that would be the most liberal dude we've seen in ages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Bachmann is not going to win the nomination . It's been a century since a Rep won the Presidency. I don't even know why they attempt to run. . After next week the Republican contest will be a 3 way race... Romney ,Perry ,and Palin. All the others that hang in there are vying for positions in a Republican adm ,or are using the campaign to reenergize their political futures.
Given the way Repubics do things I am putting my early bet on the marshmallow flip flopper...
And you don't think that his religion will become an issue in the general election ? The Obots are ready to attack Mitt Romney’s “weirdness” .In other words... He’s a Mormon!
Obama plan: Destroy Romney - Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com
At least Biden isn't running the show like Cheney did.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I sure DO think his religion will become an issue... But, it won't be the Democrats who do it.. It'll be the Tea Party/Christian right who do it, just like they're doing now. They don't think Mormon's ARE Christians. It's that simple.
I think Mitt is weird, because, well, he's WEIRD.. It has nothing to do with his religion. Frankly, if we're going to have a Christian president, I'd RATHER have a Mormon than an evangelical.
excon
Citation please, I want to see which "gains" we made in the 20th century that Perry said he's going to roll back.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Um, tom just linked to the Dems plan to attack him for his weirdness. I also cited a survey that shows anti-Mormonism is highest among Democrats. You're really not having much luck with reality today, exie.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Mainstream Christians do not believe Mormonism (the LDS church) is Christian. That's the huge hurdle Romney has to jump over.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Look. Let's not pretend that we agree on what the "gains" are. We don't. What YOU think they are (if any), and what I think they are, AIN'T the same thing. They ain't close.
So, while I didn't read his book, he himself says in interviews that he believes Social Security and Medicare are not Constitutional.. So, those are on the way out... Certainly, a woman's right to reproductive privacy is out too. I think he wants to eliminate senatorial elections too.
excon
OK, so let's say I "think" Obama is a radical Muslim or a socialist. Should I reject him without knowing? Should I be spreading fears about this because I "think" he might be one of those things? Just trying to establish the rules of the debate early. So do I stick to the facts, lie my a$$ off or just make crap up?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Cheney was a smart man... but Biden? I wonder who ties his shoes in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Well, Bush couldn't tie his any time during the day, so he needed an arrogant, controlling figure to tell him what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well, if he said he was IN HIS BOOK, I think you could believe him... Perry said he's a right winger. He said that Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional... I believe him... Why wouldn't I?
If Obama said the same thing, you could believe him too.
excon
Two things ExQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
I certainly don't think God is talking to you because, if he is, you are not listening.
God can use any circumstance he wants to send us a message, perhaps some events are the wraith of God, perhaps they are not. I think the belief that God makes weather is far more accurate than believing than man makes weather, yet you seem to find the man makes weather message acceptable and want us to use what little time we have left on the Earth trying to modify it further.
Back to politics. Bachmann making that statement is pure sectarian politics, the idea that a candidate who can contemplate God is somehow anointed. With a jewish name she has the jewish vote, jew or not. With a far right Christian point of view she has the Christian vote. She is a manipulator and not to be trusted
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Originally Posted by paraclete
Exactly.
She is hoping that American politics is approaching a watershed, not unlike Mcarthyism which promoted a proactive stance against communism. At the moment it is a call to take a stance against secularism and socialism.It should be noted they are not one and the same.
Politicians are suited to an era, not the other way round.
Tuit
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Originally Posted by tomder55
The Repubics are making their preference known... ;the same ones who thought McCain was the right choice in 2008 .More than two-thirds of Republican Insiders say Mitt Romney has a better chance than Perry of defeating President Obama in 2012, according to this week's National Journal Political Insiders Poll.
That would be the same group of Republic insiders who said Reagan couldn't win.
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama is vulnerable, but it doesn't look like you want to win.
excon
Romney can't defeat him. His only case is that he would better manage the nanny state. Romney is a milquetoast version of Obama .
Weren't we just discussing the conspiracy of Bush canceling the election? Well Democrat has actually suggested such:
North Carolina Governor Proposes Ignoring Constitution And Suspending Congressional Elections For Two Years
The paper that reported it called it a joke in their headline, but said that was unclear:Quote:
“I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for two years and just tell them we won’t hold it against them, whatever decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I really hope that someone can agree with me on that,” Perdue said. “You want people who don’t worry about the next election.”
Her office backtracked and called it "hyperbole". I listened, she sounded sincere to me.Quote:
The comment — which came during a discussion of the economy — perked more than a few ears. It’s unclear whether Perdue, a Democrat, is serious — but her tone was level and she asked others to support her on the idea.
Not surprising... since they stand to lose the senate this election. It's a despirate attempt to maintain control of something they have no inherant right to control. They are elected officials, when their term is up, if they don't win the right to sit another term in an election, they have ZERO right to remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I seriously believe Obama is purposely engineering the current economic disaster so he can suspent the constitution, declare martial law, and appoint himself President for life. A lot like Hugo Chavez did... and people forget early in his campaign , Oboma had a Hugo Chavez poster in his headquarters... at least until Chavezes rants made it unpopular to align with him.
Nope can't prove it... just a theory based on his rants and tantrums when he doesn't get his way like he was used to having before last years elections.
Hi Smoothy,Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
If that's all the data you've got then it is not much of a theory.
Tut
Evidently this clown in NC was serious,but is not to be taken seriously . Neither is speculations of the President suspension of the Constitution. I take that as seriously as I do all that garbage about Bush's so called FEMA concentration camps.
Heck... we all have our theories... you included. Most are little more than gut feelings... but gut feelings can be accurate even without overwhelming proof supporting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUT317
Christians are nutjobs. Just a gut feeling that's turns out to be a pretty accurate theory.
I can say the same about Atheists being the main practitioners of discrimination, and intollerance in this country. So that's an accurate theory too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I guess so by your standards of the scientific process.
No.. I'm using the Democrats standards of proof as applied to Cheney and George Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by smoothy
Hi Smoothy,
Very true indeed.
However, I don't think you need worry too much, Good old English Common Law and Habeas Corpus has been and still is a very good bulwark against such ambitions.
TUT
Nah, I don't take her seriously, but it suddenly seems to be a bit of a theme. Obama's former OMB guy, Peter Orszag, thinks we should be less democratic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
We aren't a democracy anyway, but I think we're too centralized already. That's just what we need is more commissions to make decisions for us. I'm already so looking forward to the health commission telling us what treatments are allowable.Quote:
To solve the serious problems facing our country, we need to minimize the harm from legislative inertia by relying more on automatic policies and depoliticized commissions for certain policy decisions. In other words, radical as it sounds, we need to counter the gridlock of our political institutions by making them a bit less democratic.
This from the guy who constantly complains about stereotyping whole groups of people. I knew you didn't practice what you preached.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You mean like insurance companies do now? (if you're one of the lucky ones to afford health insurance).Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The nanny state has for a century (even longer if you go back to Teddy Roosevelt) has tried to replace the 'democratic process' with the professional bureaucrat.
It doesn't surprise me in the least that the result is an unaccountable government led by the czar oligarchs .Putin would be proud.
What you call the "nanny state" is just the way your country is and will be, it's not a recent occurrence and it's not going back to some idealistic 19th century state. Is there any country in the world that you don't consider to be a nanny state?
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