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  • Apr 25, 2011, 04:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't know what this rush is to find a challenger . Actually it's the Dems who are anxious to find a challenger to the President . What does that tell you ?

    No rush. No anxiety. It simply is curiosity as to who will bubble up out of the morass.

    Hayley Barbour just struggled to the edge and got out and ran off to the showers.
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:11 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    That's your implication, not mine. My words don't support your implication.

    OK I give up... why did you reference when the college year papers were written ?
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:14 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    ok I give up ....why did you reference when the college year papers were written ?

    I was saying people change or adjust or revise or rethink their beliefs or even write papers to meet a need or please a prof or to be provocative or to satisfy the terms of an assignment. The papers have to be considered in that light. It's not a black-or-white issue as you want to make it: relevant or irrelevant.
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:16 PM
    tomder55

    It is not a given that people change... and how would we know that without the reference of a starting point ?
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:17 PM
    excon

    Hello again, you two:

    The difference is that liberal people explore other schools of thought. Conservatives NEVER do. They grew up rigid, and they're STILL rigid.

    excon
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    The difference is that liberal people explore other schools of thought. Conservatives NEVER do. They grew up rigid, and they're STILL rigid.

    Bingo! Fifty points to you! (Being rigid, or thinking you are, is believing you are safe.)
  • Apr 25, 2011, 05:24 PM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    The difference is that liberal people explore other schools of thought.
    I guess that's what led me to conservatism .Well that and the fact that American leftwing liberalism was no longer defensible .
  • Apr 26, 2011, 02:48 AM
    TUT317
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I guess that's what led me to conservatism .Well that and the fact that American leftwing liberalism was no longer defensible .

    Hi Tom,

    At least you said, " no longer".

    Tut
  • Apr 26, 2011, 03:30 AM
    tomder55

    American liberalism ;or more specific the Democrats took a radical turn starting with the McGovern candidacy. Before that people on the liberal side like JFK understood that you can't tax your way to prosperity ;and understood and embraced the US role in the world .
  • Apr 26, 2011, 03:37 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Hayley Barbour just struggled to the edge and got out and ran off to the showers
    He's clearing the way for his close friend Mitch Daniels to enter the race. Barbour can help Daniels with the Southern vote ,and with his fund raising organization. I think it's a real good probability that the Republican will be a Northern Governor (or former Governor ). Romney has the edge currently with his organization. Daniels will be able to match him with Barbour's help. T Paw. Needs help. Right now that's my top tier if anyone asked me.
  • Apr 26, 2011, 07:30 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    The difference is that liberal people explore other schools of thought. Conservatives NEVER do. They grew up rigid, and they're STILL rigid.

    I'm not rigid, I just stick with what works.
  • Apr 26, 2011, 07:55 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I'm not rigid, I just stick with what works.

    Hello again, Steve:

    Works? WORKS?? Let me show you how it DOESN'T work...

    Once upon a time there was this young Jewish Boy Scout from a liberal family. He was on a weekend trip with his troop when the Scoutmaster (the HEAD guy) told the scouts that he expected them to go to church... Of course, in this little town, there wasn't a synagogue, and even if there was, the service was on Saturday.

    So, this young liberal Jewish boy went where the rest of the scouts went. When the guy in robes called everybody up front to take communion, the young Jewish scout went...

    Now, I don't know if you can imagine the response to that boy from the RIGID SOB'S who ran the place, but I can tell you, it wasn't pretty. But, like David against Goliath, I stood my ground.

    RIGID doesn't work.

    excon
  • Apr 26, 2011, 09:39 AM
    speechlesstx

    So far what works is the Green Chile Cheeseburgers.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 06:14 AM
    tomder55

    Here it is... end of the silly birther issue . The President just released his long form birth cert. It shows he was born in Hawaii .

    President Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate | The White House
  • Apr 27, 2011, 06:41 AM
    excon

    Hello again, tom:

    Like I said, the Trumpster doesn't think it's real... Big, mistake for Obama.

    excon
  • Apr 27, 2011, 07:04 AM
    tomder55

    Trump is a side-show
  • Apr 27, 2011, 07:14 AM
    Wondergirl

    What will the Birthers think is wrong with the long-form birth certificate? Someone found a 1961 manual typewriter in a museum and used that? Will they compare the doctor's signature with his "real" ones?
  • Apr 27, 2011, 07:16 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What will the Birthers think is wrong with the long-form birth certificate?

    Hello again, WG:

    They'll think it was planted, of course.

    excon
  • Apr 27, 2011, 07:30 AM
    talaniman

    Now all he has to produce is his certificate of circumcision, and maybe the Donald will want him to drop his pants on the Oprah show next week.

    That ought to get some ratings.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 08:26 AM
    Curlyben
    Errrm, isn't it all a bit late and rather academic anyway.
    Mr Obama was duly elected to serve as president and that is exactly what he is doing.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 08:43 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    Errrm, isn't it all a bit late and rather academic anyway.
    Mr Obama was duly elected to serve as president and that is exactly what he is doing.

    The press release that accompanied it said that the birth certificate topic has become divisive and the discussion so off-the-chart (i.e. by potential presidential candidate Trump). The intent is to steer public discussion to the important concerns of the economy, the wars, gas prices, etc.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 08:50 AM
    excon

    Hello again,

    The issue was NEVER about his birth certificate... To the birthers, it's about Obama not being one of us. This won't change that.

    excon
  • Apr 27, 2011, 09:48 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The press release that accompanied it said that the birth certificate topic has become divisive and the discussion so off-the-chart (i.e. by potential presidential candidate Trump). The intent is to steer public discussion to the important concerns of the economy, the wars, gas prices, etc.

    Bwaaahaaaahaaaa . Then he got on the plane to interview with Oprah... so much for those important concerns.

    He could've done this during the 2008 season .The reason he finally put the nonsense to rest is because of the polling data Ex mentioned... that the issue was gaining traction.

    Quote:

    Hello again,

    The issue was NEVER about his birth certificate... To the birthers, it's about Obama not being one of us. This won't change that.

    Excon
    Probably right. But wait how much hay his campaign makes when they claim "they(bitter clingers ???) " are trying to fire the 1st Black President. Both sides play that card well.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 10:24 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Both sides play that card well.

    Hello again, tom:

    There was a political consideration about this release, to be sure... I guess we'll see if it was the right calculation.. Frankly, I think they were ahead of the game when people like Krauthammer and Rove were calling Trump a clown. The Obama offense was being taken up by the stalwart GOP. He was winning by shutting up. He didn't need to chime in. Chiming in is playing defense...

    Besides, if you were Obama, wouldn't you LOVE to run against Trump? They should have let that happen.

    excon
  • Apr 27, 2011, 10:40 AM
    tomder55

    Agreed . But my best guess is that Trump was/is not a candidate . I bet the ratings on his show is up.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 11:11 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Besides, if you were Obama, wouldn't you LOVE to run against Trump? They should have let that happen.

    Trump is now a hero. He forced Obama's hand.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 05:07 PM
    speechlesstx

    Personally, I wish Trump and Obama would both go away. Now if we can just end this Trig truther crap we could move on.
  • Apr 27, 2011, 05:32 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Trump is now a hero. He forced Obama's hand.

    He played into Obama's hand . I won't rest until Trump gone from the political scene . What does Trump and Obama have in common ? They both found common ground in attacking Paul Ryan last week .
    Oh yeah... and they both supported Rhambo's mayor run.

    What is Trump's plan for Medicare ? Slap tariffs on China ? He's a 'Smoot-Hawley' Republican .
  • Apr 28, 2011, 07:40 AM
    paraclete

    Well has the matter been put beyond doubt? Or are we going to find out how this dumb black boy who rose to be president could possibily have been accepted into Harvard? Trump your racism is showing
  • Apr 28, 2011, 07:47 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    well has the matter been put beyond doubt?

    Hello clete:

    Conspiracy theorists never let the facts stand in the way. Didja hear about those weirdos who believe the worlds scientists concocted a story about global warming?

    excon
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:24 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    well has the matter been put beyond doubt? or are we going to find out how this dumb black boy who rose to be president could possibily have been accepted into Harvard? Trump your racism is showing

    Pandering to the fears of the uninformed is the only way he can get the attention he craves. Any fear will do!
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:25 AM
    speechlesstx

    That's true ex, I just read in my paper a week or so ago that we went to Iraq for the oil.
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:31 AM
    tomder55

    We know he's not a 'dumb black boy' (Clete's words ).. because Joe Biden told us he isn't .

    “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” ...“I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:45 AM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's true ex, I just read in my paper a week or so ago that we went to Iraq for the oil.

    We did, Saddam had cut secret deals with France and Russia and it made W mad as all get out!!

    Oil-for-Food Programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BBC NEWS | Business | France's economic ties to Iraq

    Bush's Pre-War Iraq Oil Deals Alarmed BP | Informed Comment

    Bush didn't like Iraq cutting his own deals, and he was locked out of the money.

    The rest is history, ongoing I might add.
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:49 AM
    tomder55

    So Bush didn't like the fact that the Europeans and Russians were violating the terms of the 'Oil for Food Program' that was destroying the sanction regime that they expected the US to enforce ?
  • Apr 28, 2011, 08:53 AM
    talaniman
    Yep!!
  • Apr 28, 2011, 09:41 AM
    tomder55

    ... and the nations that were being enriched by violating the 'Oil for Food Program', that the corrupt Kofi Annan clan was administering,were also the nations that led the opposition to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

    Yep!!
  • Apr 28, 2011, 05:08 PM
    paraclete

    Hi ex Yes I heard that one, but the scary part is it happens to be true
  • Apr 28, 2011, 05:39 PM
    tomder55

    Lets see the leading scientists of the hypothesis manipulated data to support a preconceived conclusion ;suppressed any evidence that ran counter to their hypothesis ,and then emailed each other bragging how they did it... no conspiracy there .
  • Apr 28, 2011, 06:54 PM
    talaniman

    Follow the money!! Who gets the oil that the French and Russians were cut out of??

    You guessed it George did, and Tony, and the Chinese are right in the thick of things.

    Just because its not in the news anymore doesn't mean the war is over.

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