I created this op and definitely did not mention mental illness in the opening comment.
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I created this op and definitely did not mention mental illness in the opening comment.
I'll agree, but can you show me what this actually has to do with Palin?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
While you were in your cozy bed all night, I was up researching this man. It is evident that he is suffering from political, yes I said political, delusions which is common, along with religious delusions, caused by schizophrenia.
Unfortunately, I am no longer at work, and it would take hours for me to research the links I read/watched to provide them here.
Let's see, he wants to create not one, but 3 kinds of currency... has problems with grammar... thinks he is a "conscious dreamer." If that's not mental illness, I don't know what is.
Hello again, J:Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
I'm trying to DO that very thing... I suggest that this NUT might have seen some crosshairs, I mean "surveyors marks", painted on his LOCAL congresswoman's district, and DID something about it...
You, along with tom and every other right winger in the world DON'T agree... Cool... But, don't close the thread because of it.
excon
It was I and not Ex who brought Palin up.
For what it's worth ;this is a discussion board ;not a topic board... and unless the conversation gets personally hostile or offensive the discussions should not be removed regardless of the direction they take.
Much of my research has been lost because discussion have been closed for what in my opinion were flimsy reasons.
I as the op author do not have an issue with the direct it takes .I also think it could easily support multiple discussions as other op's have turned
But I'm wondering if he "saw" them or if he "saw" them. From my research last night it is apparent he is suffering from delusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It appears that he may be creating a "panic" from something that is not really there. In mental health it's called mass hysteria.
Perhaps .His rants don't suggest that. I could also mention his drug use burned out some of his wiring. But I have no evidence of that either.Quote:
I suggest that this NUT might have seen some crosshairs, I mean "surveyors marks", painted on his LOCAL congresswoman's district, and DID something about it...
Okay. If you will take a look at this video and tell me what you think... please?
YouTube - Jared Lee Loughner "Introduction Video"
Does it make sense to you?
I doubt I have your attention, but if I do... can you make sense of this?
YouTube - Hello
Hello again, J:Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
No one can, or ever will get into his head. I'm NOT saying that there's a DIRECT link. I don't know if there's ANY link at all. I simply suggest that what you and I consider to be political rhetoric, some NUT might consider it to be permission to act.
That's why some of us think that ANY reference to violence by a political figure should be AVOIDED at all costs... Others, like you, think I'M the nut for even making the suggestion...
excon
The Hinkley defense or the Chapman defense ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I don't think you are a nut, but I think you don't understand a mind that does not have it's synapses firing correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I see that the mentally ill might consider it permission, and I agree that references to political violence should be avoided at all costs.
The question at hand is how to do this? Do we raise taxes to reopen the state mental institutions?
We can't blame politics for these rants as there is another force at work here.
GAWD, I could go on and on, and finally this is a debate I could actually participate in. However, since I am up for 36 hours now... I think I'd rather be a med student rather than a nurse, I think I need to get some shut eye because I have to mentally prepare to give a deposition Monday morning.
It that were the case then most Current Events threads would be closed. Let's keep things constant please.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Like it or not political violence is part of this countries history. Its even written into our constitution. After looking at the videos I see what he is saying. Maybe Im whacked because what he is doing is trying to open a mindset to an opinion.
Right now we do have several types of "money" and we do have a government trying to ban use of words as well as trying to change the fundemental meanings of the words we speak.
We are at a tipping point in this country where the people are at their wits end. Does it really make sense to anyone that our news tells us that when a white man says something bad (even if its true) against a black man its racism. And we are being more and more punished for our ideas. We all have the right to question.
How are you being punished for your ideas??Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Take a good look at any given day in the news. When someone forms an opinion and expesses it that isn't on the left they are labeled and called names in an atempt to atatch a negative stigma to them. Like the example previously given.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Ah I see, it's all the "left's" (whoever that is) fault again. Carry on.
I didn't say it was their fault. It just seems its been happening more and more lately and the worst of it does come from representatives of the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Both sides seem to be reducing to name calling on a daily basis. Its bad for the country.
I think that the only part you see, it happens on both sides.. a lot. Don't forget, it was a democrat that got shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Anyway best stay on topic 'lest this thread gets closed.
Agreed !!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Since this is in Member discussions. I think we should let it ramble and take whatever course it does.
I haven't researched the incident or the possible influences on the shooter. I would suspect that we may never know what influenced him. So anything posted here is going to be mostly speculation. If you guys want to have fun speculating feel free.
In my opinion anyone committing acts of violence like this is not operating on all cylinders. ANYTHING could set his deranged mind off.
Hello again:
I have purposefully AVOIDED seeing any of his videos, or reading ANYTHING about him... I don't care if he was politically motivated, or what. My views about the political class have NOTHING to do with this NUT. It has to do about them, their rhetoric, and who it effects, if anybody...
I say it DOES effect people... You say it doesn't...
excon
PS> Message to dad... When I watch Fox, I hear them say that everybody at MSNBC are liars, whereas, I think the commentators at Fox are the prevaricators... Imagine that.
Agreed !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
To me the whole political system is getting out of hand on both sides. You and I don't always agree but at least we can be civil about it and make our thoughts into reasonable debates. That way the reader can make a determination. Somehow we have strayed away from that path in our political system. Lets hope for the future and that we can return to civility.
Hello again, dad:Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
I hope so too, but I'm soft lefty.. I'm sure tom will be along to tell us that we've been even more contentious in our past, than we are today. I'm not sure what's better... Smiling people who have NO passion, or passionate people who know no boundaries?
excon
PS> (edited) OMG.. I just re-read what I wrote.. It sounds suspiciously like Barry Goldwaters, "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice... ..that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
Enough already
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Hello again,
I picked the lock... Yeah, I'm good at stuff like that...
So, reading his stuff provides all sorts of speculations... I understand he was a member of a some antisemitic group, and she is a Jew. Maybe THAT'S the motive... Or, does it matter?
excon
Excon must have left the door open...
J_9 said what I was thinking last night when I had posted about all the mental institutions that had opened up during the early 1970s -- she said, "Do we raise taxes to reopen the state mental institutions?"
We've lost some famous and just ordinary fellow citizens to unmedicated mentally ill shooters. In fact, in Libraryland, we are wary of a patron who storms into the library, ranting about a fine or his uncle or a ham sandwich, and have periodic instruction on how to deal with them. (At the library where I worked, the police station was across the street, so that was comforting. We had a code word to alert other staff to call the cops.)
I think I will start a new thread.
I am getting tired of my work getting closed on this site . Up to now there is nothing in this posting that warrants it getting shut down . All discussions have been civil .
On another posting the consensus was that political correctness was the equivalent of censorship.
I understand that we don't want abusiveness . But that is not what is happening on this posting . Mods and administrators save your trigger fingers for OP's than merit your intervention please .
Ex you attribute his actions as somehow related to the political discourse . Then you admit to not reading or listening to his view because they don't matter . I think his actions are similar to Manson's . He blamed the Beatles .Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
What I've been trying to do is NOT attribute his actions to anything... He's a NUT, after all. THAT means his actions aren't attributable to anything... I have not linked A to B. I only know that some politicians on the right talk about guns as though their use is not only perfectly legal, it's politically responsible... Then something like this happens...
Now, I don't know if there's a connection or not... What I DO know, is that IF politicians NEVER said that stuff, there wouldn't even be the suggestion of a link...
excon
Can't think of one that says using guns to achieve political ends is acceptable .Quote:
I only know that some politicians on the right talk about guns as though their use is not only perfectly legal, it's politically responsible...
But in the last campaign I did see Joe Manson put a bullet through the cap and trade bill in political ad.
Oh yeah and there was this gem in 2008
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...e-bring-a-gun/
So the left starts the Gun Grabbiibg Mantra Again... akin to Adolf Hitler... (big surprise... NOT)
How about going after the whack jobs first amendment rights too... he was posting some out there stuff? Or is it only the far left that should have any rights at all? Don't answer that... we already know what the far left thinks on that topic.
But it's the left that we all have to thank for all the mentally disturbed walking the streets today. Your Buddies at the ACLU had a hand in that. They used to be in institutions being forced to take their meds, before a left wing activist judge decided they had the right to terrorise the population and stay off their meds, then plead a insanity defence to dodge real punishment after the inevitable and they kill someone.
Funny you should mention the 1st Amendment. During the reading of the Constitution on the House floor this week Rep. Giffords was selected to read the 1st Amendment.
Since we are profiling , a quick look as the positions she took on issues would make her an unlikely 'target' for someone who's motives were right wing . As mentioned she is a so called 'Blue Dog' Democrat who has voted counter to the lefty playbook often.
She voted to end the DC bn on hand guns ;she is a deficit hawk ;she was one of the 18 Dems who broke ranks and voted against Pelosi this week for Speaker of the House.
More of the President's 'greatest hits'(all direct quotes to supporters) :
“Get in Their Faces!”
“I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry!”
“Hit Back Twice As Hard”
“We talk to these folks… so I know whose a$$ to kick.“
( Republican victory would mean) “hand to hand combat”
“Punish your enemies.”
“I'm itching for a fight.”
Giffords 2010 Congressional opponent Jesse Kelly held a June 12 gun event that was billed as follows on the Pima County Republican website: Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M15 with Jesse Kelly
Giffords Opponent, Jesse Kelly, Held June Event to “Shoot a Fully Automatic M16″ to “Get on Target” and “Remove Gabrielle Giffords” | Firedoglake
It's probably the left we also have to thank for releasing women from their kitchens about the same time and saying they can run a home as well as a get a paying job. And there went family life and hot dinners with everyone sitting around the table at 5 p.m.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Here is one aspect of this we are yet to discuss
Political assassination for race hate reasons:
Arizona shooting suspect may be linked to anti-Semitic group | News.com.au
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
"If this congress keep going the way it's going, people are going to be looking towards those Second Amendment remedies, saying my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around."
WHO do you think said that?? The Republican candidate for US Senator, that's who.
excon
"I will fight these bastards every night." Who just said that? Is that what this is about, who has the most violent rhetoric? Let's stop this rushing to blame one side or the other, it wasn't the left's fault, it wasn't Palin's fault, it wasn't the Tea Party's fault, the shooter bears full responsibility for his actions.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I don't know. I see a BIG difference between threatening GUN violence and threatening to fight. You don't. That's why it's going to continue..
excon
Exactly... she was a "Blue Dog" democrat... if this was political at all, it would have been the far left Democrats whom she upset the most, for not doing everything Princess Pelosi told her to do like the others. Because we all know a true democrat is a puppet to their party leaders who will vote as they are told to vote and never question the orders they get from the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And that's because they have every intention to use a randon act... for their own Politial agenda. To Erode the US Constitution to the point its irrelivant. That is the end game for the Democrat party.
But from the very beginning this looked like the work of a single deranged kid. And a day later... it still does. Except to the left wing Media wing of the DNC party... and certain Democrats who view anything as an attack on what they feel is their right to destroy the American way of life. Historic Losses this last election STILL haven't sunk into the heads of their puppet masters yet that this isn't what the people want.
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