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The data dump is almost exclusively raw data after action reports . That means some guy using the toggle on the ground to pilot a drone watching a demonstration of Iraqi's supporting the clown who threw a pair of shoes at the President reports that the crowd dispersed peacefully.Quote:
They were outright LIES! Big difference
Well, then you don't have a clearance now... they go inactive after a period if not renewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I said that because you said you had one NOW... I know what they were doing as long as 25 years ago... up until now but not as far back as the early 70's, but as long as it is current and active you are at LEAST subject to random testing at any time. Be glad you weren't subject to annual Polygraphs.
Sorry, but the law is the law... someones misguided political ideology has no place in it. I hope they throw the book at everyone involved in this breach of National security.
You don't think I never saw something I might not agree with personally? Fact is I did but what I thought had no bearing on it. A job is a job, and the law is the law... there is no exemption saying "unless you believe otherwise."
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
They came first for the Communists,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
And by that time no one was left to speak up.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
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Funny how you can quote that and support the Democrat party that hates the Constitution and hates the Bill of Rights that get in their way in the same breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The law is the law... how do you think you became an excon? Seriously. Didn't learn anything from that? I mean besides "don't get caught".
The law is the law... classified materials are classified secret or higher for a very good reason (actually Confidentual is where it starts). Except in the Case of Obamas personal records he is afraid the public might see. THAT is one case where they SHOULD be made public... I say we start there.
Just because I think we should stage snipers along the border and shoot anyone sneaking across for sport, sell hunting licenses, you could pay for a fence with the proceeds... doesn't mean we actually can.
Or even Better... Target gang members for execution... put a bounty on their heads... dead or alive. See how that drops inner-city crime. Would cost far less lives of productive Americans or harm fewer people helping AMerica that being a traitor and giving classified documents to our enemies would.
Hello again, smoothy:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Every time you LOSE an argument, which is EVERY time, you start spouting slogans, bumper stickers, and talking points. That ain't going to do it.
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Really, you mean just like you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
The law isn't a talking point... oh it might be for Democrats that don't believe it applies to them. Just to the rest of the "unwashed masses" that get in their Illuminati way who aren't as "enlightened" as they themselves are.
Treason is still treason... and people who commit it should be shot by firing squad. Not called heroes by the left.
This is rich, the leaker that admits he's putting people in danger by his leaks is not happy that the Swedes leaked rape accusations against him.
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More than two and a half months after Swedish authorities leaked rape accusations against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange no charges have been filed and the cyberhacker plans to file a lawsuit against prosecutors.
Poor Baby... welcome to the real world. He thought he was special or something? He should have aligned himself with Obama, the press would have left him alone. And the Norwegions would have given HIM a Nobel prize too.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
He's just angry the Swedes won't grant him asylum.
I think the diplomatic leaks yesterday will undermine diplomatic cooperation around the world and instead of preventing wars ,as the Assange clown claims to desire ;will undermine the very process that prevents them.
He's not happy because he was falsely accused of rape. Wouldn't that make you unhappy as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If that's the case why is there an international warrant against him by the Swedish government related to the rape... a warrant that the Swedish courts have upheld .Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
From the article:
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Questions have been raised about the background of the two women involved and the association of at least one of them with a U.S.-backed right-wing organization
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Despite the "on-going" investigation, Assange was allowed to leave Sweden. In most Western nations a person under investigation for rape would have his/her passport confiscated and would be ordered to remain available to police.
Hello:
What he does with his wee wee, has NOTHING to do with what he does with his Mac.
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And this is a complete diversion from the fact that he should hang from a rope for espionage...
What I want to know is why the US doesn't have a warrant out for him ?
Yes it is. Some say the charges are trumped by the US specifically for diversion, and you are playing their hand perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why would the Obots do that when they have a real provable case of espionage against him if they want it ?
I think the recent leaks will finally prompt them to act.
Tom I think we should agree that this process is embarrassing everyone and helping no one
Oh I agree . As I read most of the news I see nothing particularly new and many confirmations of stuff I deduced from available open source research . Again Assange is just opening the vault to unvettted raw data that enemies can piece together with their known intel and potentially put operatives at risk.
There is also undiplomatic emails that once released hurts years of diplomatic efforts at cooperation with allies and adversaries alike.
These leaks from the start are the work of espionage ,and conduits like the NY Slimes really stretch credulity claiming it is in the public's best interest to have access to this.
More on the NY Slimes participation.
Back when the Climategate leaked emails were published the Slimes made the following comments when they decided not to publish them:
Private Climate Conversations on Display - NYTimes.comQuote:
The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won't be posted here.
But now when there are real national security implications related to the Wikileaks relevations the Slime contradict this principle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/wo...ditornote.htmlQuote:
The articles published today and in coming days are based on thousands of United States embassy cables, the daily reports from the field intended for the eyes of senior policy makers in Washington.. . The Times believes that the documents serve an important public interest, illuminating the goals, successes, compromises and frustrations of American diplomacy in a way that other accounts cannot match.
In the interest of fairness ,the Slimes should release all internal documents related to how they make their editorial decisions. I want to see all memos ,emails ,the names of all anonymous sources .Oh yeah... their internal processes is private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye.
I think an act of rendition is in order for this scumbag. Its been done before... why don't they do it again.
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Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't know how this wound up on another thread... Nonetheless, Iran sure doesn't like the disclosure. That's good for the world, no?
In my view, the fallout from the leak has not been fully realized yet. The jury is still out.
By the way, in regards to the first leak, we all heard the screeching about blood on his hands... But, to date, there hasn't been ONE death attributed to the first leak... Whadya know about that?
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What the leaks show about Iran is what has been known for years. What it shows about the US handling of Iran confirms my worse fears... that the US is well aware of the threat they pose ,and still vascilates in it's response. The major story coming out of this is that the leaks have shown the President and Evita to be unable to protect US secrets or preserve allies from embarrassment.
Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion: Wikileaks Completes Obama's Transformation Into Jimmy CarterQuote:
We are the laughingstock of the world, an impotent superpower whose response to those who aid our enemies is to write a letter asking them not to do it.
The Asian Times correctly identifies the dangers of these leaks ;that North Korea, Iran and China will either successfully challenge the US because of it's apparent weakness ,or miscalculate.Asia Times Online :: Korea News and Korean Business and Economy, Pyongyang NewsQuote:
Should a credible argument be made that he has abandoned an ally such as South Korea, Obama would find it difficult to either avoid responding harshly to Iran or stop Israel from attacking. Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia would likely add their weight to that of the Jewish state, as they were revealed to have done in the past by the WikiLeaks and other reports.
This still outlines only the start of a potential ripple effect. The situation of several other American allies is already so bad that they hardly even need a Korean paradigm to despair. Lebanon's Prime Minister Saad Hariri, for example, just went hat-in-hand to Tehran [4] and started a diatribe against Israel, [5] in an apparent sign that he is ready to toe the Iranian line if that is what it will take to ensure his survival.
In Iraq, the Western-backed Iyad Allawi was elbowed out of forming a government by his Iran-backed Shi'ite rivals despite winning the popular election earlier this year. In Afghanistan, an already-alienated President Hamid Karzai [6] is looking on as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization effort to prop him up continues. [7] However as the counter-insurgence strategy employed by the American-led coalition continues to draw fire, [8] what happened to South Vietnam looms over him in the slightly more distant future. In Yemen, too, the government is getting desperate against al-Qaeda militants and Iran-backed Houtini rebels, and, according to some reports, is considering playing both sides.
All this suggests that the current patient and diplomatic strategy Obama is pursuing does not bode well for American interests in Asia. War, moreover, is unlikely to be a good substitute for a better and clearer vision, and by itself is unlikely to bring anything positive to the region. What is needed from the White House is strong leadership, and if it does not materialize, the effects will likely be disastrous.
The nation that looks good is Israel . They have been upfront about the Iranian threat and everything they have said has panned out . They are also the only nation that has taken concrete action against the 12'ers . Iranian nuclear scientists now have to look over their shoulders . There has been 'mysterious 'explosions at their facilities ,and cyber attacks against their systems .
At this point the Israeli's must be wondering who needs to prop up whom?
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Oh, I understand the right wing's outrage. What I DON'T understand is the right wing's total MISUNDERSTANDING of the Constitution, and the laws of our land... Ok, YES I do. You think the Bill of Rights skipped the First Amendment, and stopped at the Second...
Just what, specifically, could Obama or Evita have DONE to prevent this leak? Send a drone after him? Render him, like smoothy says? Put him in Gitmo?? Those ARE viable options - if that pesky Constitution didn't get in the way.
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How is it that Jullian Assange has
1st Amendment protection ? Espionage is espionage and against the law... Treason is also against the law and the Constitution . PFC Mattingly should be facing charges for both under both military tribunal and civilian court.
If we cannot get extradition against Assange I would be in favor of a rendition. Why not ? The Israelis are applauded for using it against Adolf Eichmann .
Hello again, tom:When what he published became available to readers in the United States. The question is quite right wing of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
You want to CHARGE him under our law, yet you don't want to give him the PROTECTION of the law. That's quite right wing of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That's QUITE right wing of you, and of course, UTTERLY against the right wingers beloved Constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
excon
The Espionage Act of 1917 was a United States federal law passed on June 15, 1917, shortly after the U.S. entry into World War I, during the First Red Scare.[1]Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
It prohibited any attempt to interfere with military operations, support America's enemies during wartime, to promote insubordination in the military, or interfere with military recruitment. In 1919, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled in Schenck v. United States that the act did not violate the free speech rights of those convicted under its provisions.
Espionage Act of 1917 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is not perfect because the law has not been updated for 21st Century realities . But there is a law in place that was definitely violated .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112904326.html
Um.. Tom... EVERYBODY on Earth has U S Constitutional Protections except George Bush, and conservatives... in the eyes of the left.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There's another way to have done this... Personally, I GUARD my information. I don't belong to Facebook. I pay in cash. I don't tweet. I cleanse my computer regularly. I have a post office box... I do much more than that, but in short, I do EVERYTHING I can to GUARD my data. It's common wisdom, in this internet age, that IF it's on a hard drive, it CAN be stolen. If you're the government, it's a slam dunk that it WILL be STOLEN. It COULD have been encrypted, or sent snail mail. It wasn't. I don't know WHY they didn't do that.
It's yet another intelligence failure. It boggles my mind. It's like the WMD's our intelligence agency's SAID were there, but weren't. I STILL don't know how they did THAT. But, to leave your data vulnerable to theft, and then snivel about it being stolen, is... Well, it's STUPID. I'm reminded of some barn somewhere with its door open.
excon
Yes it is an intel failure of monumental proportions born out of the 9-11 Commission Report and general government incompetence.
One of the big criticisms about the intel agencies was the lack of
Sharing info.between the various intel agencies . To address this problem a decision was made to make the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPRNET) the clearing house of secured information .
The problem is that it was also opened up to a multitude of Executive Branch
Personel .
I heard retiring Congress man Peter Hoekstra mention yesterday that up to 500,000 Executive Dept employees have security access
To the system.
Allegedly pfc Mattingly ,given his clearance ,was able to spend a lot of time unsupervised surfing SIPRNET while stationed in Baghdad .These text docs are small and compressible .
The gvt. Announced it will begin limiting access again... that barn door analogy is right on.
Not sure of the reliability of how he downloaded ,but rumor has it he erased a Lady Gaga CD or filled a few flash drives with the hundreds of thousands of docs .
It is still treason and espionage and should be treated as such. Many villians prey on the stupid .
You can't erase a commercial CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Sounds like the corporations that organized the Tea Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Did I say it was commercial ? The soldiers share all types of downloads .It could've been a copy on an erasable CD . I don't know... I heard it as a rumor and did not confirm it.
Edit : in his own words :
“I would come in with music on a CD-RW labeled with something like 'Lady Gaga,' erase the music then write a compressed split file,” he wrote. “No one suspected a thing and, odds are, they never will."
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/leak
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I don't disagree. Manning is a crook. Assange isn't - certainly no more than the NY Times is. Are you guilty of espionage because you're the FIRST one to publish secret material, but the people who do it after you aren't?? Nahhh. That's not the way it works.
excon
Maybe... I say bring him in ;charge him ,and let the justice system play out. Do I think the Slimes was guilty of similar activities in this, and in cases like the 'Pentagon Papers ' . Yes I do.
But assuming that the Holder Justice Dept is more willing to see Wikileaks as legit journalism ;even Holder has contrasted WikiLeaks with traditional news organisations in that the Slimes contacted the government and cooperated in redactions .
Assange assumes the role of sole editor in determining what the public has a right to know ;regardless of how many lives he puts in danger .
There is also a question of theft of government property . He had a direct hand in the Mattingly activities and at a minimum collaborated, aided and abetted, or conspired in the theft.
How so? What lives are these?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell has said previously that there was no evidence that anyone had been killed because of the leaks. Sunday, another Pentagon official told McClatchy that the military still has no evidence that the leaks have led to any deaths.
So someone has to be killed first before the threat is realized ? The truth is that there are many informants on the run in AfPakia over the spring releases .
Hello again, tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah, for authoritarian minds, those who expose secrets are far more hated than those in power who committed the heinous acts that were exposed.
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Greenie for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So national security should have no consideration ? I'll believe Jullian Assange is a legit journalist and not simply an enemy of the country when he penetrates the secret communications of AQ and publishes them . In fact... I dare him!
Hello again, tom:Quote:
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