Ask Me Help Desk - I don't know if you noticed, but our war with gay people is about to end.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Now it's the hatred of gays runs that deep? Bullsh*t, Americans are by and large past racism and we don't hate gays.

Hello again, Steve:

In YOUR Pollyanna world, it's so... But in the real world where twink and I live, she's spot on.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

In YOUR Pollyanna world, it's so... But in the real world where twink and I live, she's spot on.

If you'll remember, I don't live in a Pollyana world, I live in Texas which has been a minority-majority state since 2005, AS A MINORITY in the Hispanic neighborhood in which I've lived for roughly 43 of my 50 years. I also have a bisexual daughter and a number of gay relatives and friends. I don't know if you've noticed but we're not running around hating on each other, we're family friends, neighbors and coworkers. If you can't get along in your liberal part of the world it ain't my fault, so don't 'project' your problems on the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I also have a bisexual daughter and a number of gay relatives and friends. I don't know if you've noticed but we're not running around hating on each other, we're family friends, neighbors and coworkers.

Hello again, Steve:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that because YOU have a gay friendly family, that there AREN'T homophobes out there who would LOVE to drag a faggot behind his truck until dead?? Are your blinders THAT BIG?? Dude!!

excon

Here we go again, that's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You think because I don't qualify everything I say with "yeah, there are exceptions" that you must beat me over the head with the EXCEPTION.

Again, enough of that bulls*t rhetoric. We may not agree on everything but we agree that lynching gays and blacks is a horrible hate crime. So you have a choice, you can keep hammering the wedge in between us, keep portraying us as a bunch of backwoods rednecks that hate gays and blacks or you can acknowledge the very visible progress that's been made in race relations and acceptance of gays.

In other words, like the majority of Americans, I know I'm not a racist or a homophobe, it's time to acknowledge that fact. I don't believe there are going to be a rash of "friendly fire" incidents in the our military against gays. Our military will respond with honor.

General Amos, who was against DADT repeal responded thusly:

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“Above all else, we are loyal to the Constitution, our Commander in Chief, Congress, our Chain of Command, and the American people,” said Commandant Gen. Jim Amos, in a prepared statement released Sunday.

… “As stated during my testimony before Congress in September and again during hearings before the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month, the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy. I, and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, will personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines.

“On this matter, we look forward to further demonstrating to the American people the discipline and loyalty that have been the hallmark of the United States Marine Corps for over 235 years.”

And if a bunch of Islamic jihadists get their a$$es kicked by some gay dudes, all the better if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

My friend twink speaks the truth. The hate DOES run that deep. However, in spite of their virulent disagreement with the new rules, I hope our men in uniform aren't murderers. We'll see.

Nonetheless, as a nation, we're to be commended for FINALLY recognizing a civil right, instead of succumbing to homophobia. Is there any doubt, gay marriage is next?

excon

OK , congratulations to the lame duck Dems in overturning a Democrat policy. Well done!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

ok , congratulations to the lame duck Dems in overturning a Democrat policy. Well done !!

Hello tom:

You diminish the accomplishment - because it's big.

excon

Low hanging fruit. You can tell it's unimportance by the size of his self congratulatory presser.

His base certainly sees it that way and this will only placate them temporarily.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

low hanging fruit. You can tell it's unimportance by the size of his self congratulatory presser.

Hello again, tom:

Your poo pooing the accomplishment (TWICE, I might add), betrays your true feelings... You can't fool me. We've been acquainted for a while now...

I suspect you feel like the moral underpinnings holding your country together, are being whittled away.. I understand how you feel. I felt the same way when I saw my country become torturers.

excon

PS> Merry Christmas, my friend.

Let me see, we really need to pick someone new to hate, if the way against illegal mexicans is over, if the war against drugs is lost, and we can't hate gays.

I vote for the French, I mean who really likes french food anyway, and they don't speak english, yep, lets give up the other wars and go after them

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

who really likes french food anyway

At least eat french fries. My son works for the U.S.'s biggest frozen potato/fries supplier to fast-food places, restaurants, and grocery stores.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Let me see, we really need to pick someone new to hate,

Why?

We have to have groups to raise money, spend money on advertising both for and against. So you realise how much money is spent on gay rights, both for and against, if that war has ended, an entire section of our economy may close.

are you just unAmerican, Americans have always had an enemy to go after, British ( they even forced churches to close during the Revolution. Then the Indians, then Mexico, then Germany and Japan, then hippies, and drugs and rock and roll, then gays,

So there will always be someone or something that is not being accepted because of some value.

I guess it should be the Christian, since it is moral values that are the issue with people not being moral. That makes them excluded.

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Originally Posted by excon

Nonetheless, as a nation, we're to be commended for FINALLY recognizing a civil right, instead of succumbing to homophobia. Is there any doubt, gay marriage is next?

excon

So as a nation are we now going to have separate facilities for those that come out? Or is the trampaling of others rights more important? If they don't create the separate then the issues will be forced sexual harassment.

The powers that be need to make all the needed changes before any of this takes effect or they will sink in their own mess.

Next week the Rainbow league is going to be demanding the standard issue cammo be changed to pink and fusia tones...

And charge that the Straight members of the Military are discriminating against them by refusing to date them and have sex with them.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

I guess it should be the Christian, since it is moral values that are the issue with people not being moral. that makes them excluded.

Nah, the new war should be on immoral people then, not christians, since we know that christians (a) haven't cornered the market on morality, and (b) there are just as many christians who do immoral things as non-christians. You guys keep on warring and wasting money.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Or is the trampaling of others rights more important?

Hello again, dad:

The only difference between NOW and in the future, is that a gay person won't have to hide. Straight soldiers are NOW taking showers with gay people, even though they don't know it. KNOWING it, won't confer additional rights on the straight soldier.

excon

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Next week the Rainbow league is going to be demanding the standard issue cammo be changed to pink and fusia tones...

Of the ten or so (wonderful) gay people I know, none of them would demand this. All blend very nicely and seamlessly into the work world and social whirl. I found out about most of them when I met their SO.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

I vote for the French, I mean who really likes french food anyway, and they don't speak english, yep, lets give up the other wars and go after them

I like a nice Beaujolais.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

The only difference between NOW and in the future, is that a gay person won't have to hide. Straight soldiers are NOW taking showers with gay people, even though they don't know it. KNOWING it, won't confer additional rights on the straight soldier.

excon

I beg to differ on you with this one. But when you have a person that has come out then they will need to be held separate just like the sexes have been held separate. It's the same type of thing. How do you see it different??

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I beg to differ on you with this one. But when you have a person that has come out then they will need to be held seperate just like the sexes have been held seperate. Its the same type of thing. How do you see it different???

Do blacks or Asians shower separately from whites?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

How do you see it different???

Hello again, dad:

The homophobes in our military have no right to be protected from being offended...

excon

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Do blacks or Asians shower separately from whites?

No, its not about race. The men don't shower with the women do they ?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

No, its not about race. The men dont shower with the women do they ?

Women are a different race from men?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Women are a different race from men?

Your much smarter then that. So why play a game?

Unless everything is made into unisex then it should be held separate. If you don't like it so be it. But forcing it on people will bring nothing but trouble.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

You're much smarter then that. So why play a game?

I was just joining up with yours.

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Unless everything is made into unisex then it should be held separate. If you don't like it so be it. But forcing it on people will bring nothing but trouble.

I'm not sure what this means.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was just joining up with yours.

I'm not sure what this means.

What I am stating is that when the military allows for gay's to be open then separate facilities should be made so they have their own. Like now how they separate men and women facilities. Sleeping quarters, showers and bathrooms.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

What I am stating is that when the military allows for gay's to be open then seperate facilities should be made so they have thier own. Like now how they seperate men and women facilities. Sleeping quarters, showers and bathrooms.

Would straight men worry about sleeping in the same tent with gays? I'm straight and would share a tent with a lesbian. I'd even take a shower with her with no problems.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Would straight men worry about sleeping in the same tent with gays? I'm straight and would share a tent with a lesbian.

If your in the field your in the field. The traditional way of the military is that you do what has to be done. Most barracks are not tent cities. Its an apples and oranges thing when comparing in the field to your home station of deployment.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

If your in the field your in the field. The traditional way of the military is that you do what has to be done. Most barracks are not tent cities. Its an apples and oranges thing when comparing in the field to your home station of deployment.

Barracks. Tents. Battlefield. Anywhere. I have no problem living with lesbians. I would draw the line at gay guys -- not because they're gay, but because they're guys.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Barracks. Tents. Battlefield. Anywhere. I have no problem living with lesbians. I would draw the line at gay guys -- not because they're gay, but because they're guys.

Why does that matter? If they are gay and open about it then they aren't attracted to you right ?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Why does that matter? If they are gay and open about it then they arent attracted to you right ?

The guys? The straight ones would be attracted to me and might not have any boundaries. Or so you think regarding gays toward straights -- attracted to straights and no boundaries.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The guys? The straight ones would be attracted to me and might not have any boundaries. Or so you think regarding gays toward straights -- attracted to straights and no boundaries.

Exactly. :)

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

exactly. :)

But gays DO have boundaries, just like most males do toward females.

How many times a day are you hit on by gay males? (They're everywhere among us.)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But gays DO have boundaries, just like most males do toward females.

How many times a day are you hit on by gay males? (They're everywhere among us.)

Im not talking about daily activities. I was only addressing the more private ones.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Im not talking about daily activities. I was only addressing the more private ones.

I showered with lesbians in gym class in high school and college, and no one ever hit on me. Had I showered with the guys, I suspect there would have been some problems.

Do you think gays lie in wait for straights (during private activities)?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I showered with lesbians in gym class in high school and college, and no one ever hit on me. Had I showered with the guys, I suspect there would have been some problems.

Do you think gays lie in wait for straights (during private activities)?

Do I think the lay in wait?? No, but because of the attraction gay men have towards same sex there may be a thrill involved that you wouldn't encounter with a straight person.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Do I think the lay in wait ??? No, but because of the attraction gay men have towards same sex there may be a thrill involved that you wouldnt encounter with a straight person.

Sort of like what we women have to deal with regarding straight men?

And the gay men are attracted to straight men, but lesbians aren't attracted to straight women?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Sort of like what we women have to deal with regarding straight men?

And the gay men are attracted to straight men, but lesbians aren't attracted to straight women?

Your beating a dead horse here.

To use your words: Sort of like what we women have to deal with regarding straight men??

I wasn't aware you were undressing in front of so many men. I guess this must be an occupational hazzard ?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

You're beating a dead horse here.

No, you are. You're saying every straight guy who takes a shower with a gay guy is in grave (sexual) danger.

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I wasn't aware you were undressing in front of so many men. I guess this must be an occupational hazzard ?

If I were, I'd apparently be having the same problems you straight guys are having with gay men.

I never said grave sexual danger. I used the words sexual harassment.

FAQs - Workplace Harassment

Anyway. Im about to log off as Santa is making the midnight rounds and I have a lot of driving to do. Have a great rest of the evening / morning.

Merry Christmas.