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I have no agenda. I just became curious based on the survey that I heard about on the radio.
Frankly, I presumed him to be Christian knowing that he went to a Christian church for a long time. It surprised me that the survey results were 1 in 4 presume him to be Muslim.
I guess the quote system is not working right.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I asked a question and in NO WAY suggested that he NEED to state it.
If the answer is "He's never stated it", then that's fine by me!
Don't presume what is not there in my question.
I don't think the question was insensitive . It frankly is surprising that there are so many people who hold the opinion .However I have not looked at the poll closely and don't know how the questions were framed ,or if the headline represents the results. 25% seems high for a fringe opinion.
Excon is correct in that there are many who question the legitimacy of his Presidency over birth (natural citizen qualification) . I believe I have proven those opinions as faulty .
I too think that those are silly arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
As silly as judging him based on his religion.
Well, I don't know what religion he holds, or whether he actually holds one.
But, it is error to say that what religion a person holds has no bearing on what kind of president he will make.
What any one of us believes has a direct influence on what course we will follow. In other words, our religion shapes our world view.
Politicians hold beliefs of every kind. Protestant, Catholic, Atheist, Muslim, etc, and unless the professed faith is hypocritical, it does matter what they believe.
And even the hypocrisy matters.
Christians aren't allowed to attend a MADRAS, he attended a MADRAS, except his Mother, his entire family is Muslim. He told the Egyption Envoy he was Muslim.. and he's let it slip several other times...
Of course... he's the Messiah to the left and his word is Gospel to them. I myself believe the Messiah was here about 2010 years ago... he HASN'T returned YET.
I believe he's a closet Muslim that attended the Rev Wright Church of Hate Whitey for political gain in Chicago. He's got plenty of time for several vacations a month... but not an hour or two a week for church.
In fact since the Democrat Propaganda machine is in full swing their MUST be truth to it if they are doing damage control as aggressively as they are.
I'm surprised President dumboears hasn't filed to keep THAT secret as well with everything else about his past he's hiding. Maybe he will do that next week.
No, just for an hour or so every morning to start his day. What do you do first thing in the morning?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Anyone ever see him do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
In private he can make any claim he wants... how can it be either proven or disproven. Convenient, huh?
After all with 20 years of the church of Hate Whitey with the Rascist Rev Wright at the pulpit... Its an offense to good Christians for him to claim to be one of us.
Well, I am a christian myself, but I do not see any evidence that Obama is a muslim. Even if he is a Muslim, as long as it is not affecting his decisions I don't see how it really matters.
You do know about what sort of "Church" he attended... it was akin to a white person attending KKK rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joggs
THe Rev Wright he respected so much spewed hatred to white americans and the United States... and there are plenty of video and audio of those hate speachs out there.
The Rev Wright Obama said was his mentor makes the Aryan Brotherhood seem like a tollerant and racially inclusive bunch.
How many Christians you know ever spent their Childhood in a Muslim Madras (religious school). Those are OFF limits to anyone who is not Muslim.Quote:
Originally Posted by KBendy
His wife and kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Well, mixing politics and religion, two major no nos. This is bound to cause a fight. OP, was that you intention?
I'm not American, so maybe I don't have a say in this, but, who cares what religion he is?
I understand that many people think that his religion will dictate what he does, but I think that's a cop out, a handy little excuse to disagree with him when he does something you don't like, than it's easy to say "Oh, he did it because he's Muslim".
Whatever faith he is, he doesn't seem to be making it public, so why would it effect how he rules the US?
It's a non issue as far as I'm concerned, or is everyone saying that only a Christian should be allowed to hold the position of President?
His Muslim father put him, a minor child, into that school. He had no choice if he had even thought there was a choice. That was over 40 years ago. As a kid, I attended a Baptist Sunday School and church for a while, but no one has ever called me Baptist.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Republican President Nixon was a Quaker. Democrat President JFK was Catholic. (You should have heard the outcry back then! )Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
I still don't understand why it matters? If he attended church every Sunday, took communion, prayed to God and Jesus and read the bible, would that make everyone happy?
If so, why?
Why does it matter?
Do you judge a man by his worth or his religion? It seems that it's the latter, which makes me very afraid.
Christian, Muslim, Pentecostal, Deist, Wiccan, it shouldn't matter. He isn't the Pope, he's the president. :(
And it's still going on to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
What happened to freedom of religion? Is that just talk?
Apparently it's freedom of religion only if someone is the same religion as the one complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
Can't see him do what he's not doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
And it REALLY matter when he lies about it.
Particularly since he has turned his back on Isreal our Allie... and sucks up to Hamas a terrorist organization that vows to destroy Isreal, which is in their Charter.
You know for sure he's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Ever read the Bible, especially the Old Testament?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
He made the claim... its up to hiom to prove it... after 20 years of Rev Wrights hate speaches... the man has no credibility. He's a rascist at heart. Only a rascist spends 20 years listening to hate speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If it I had spent 20 years at KKK or Aryan Brootherhood meetings... I'd have one hell of a hard time proving I wasn't one of them.
Why does it have to prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Old Testiment has nothing to do with today... and Incidentally... I'm not Jewish... the New testiment has greater importance in the Christian faith the Old testiment is a base... but not irrelevant, and yes I have read it. Memorized no, but read yes.. And the Muslims have recently been guilty of far worse than the worst you find in the old testiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
That is CENTURIES Older than Islam... who at no point in their history has any record of civil rights towards anyone. They are effecetive brainwashers however... they treat women like crap... and make them like it.
No I don't envy that... I don't look down my nose at women.
Obama is not a Muslim. Just because his father was one does not make him one. My father was baptist, I am not. There have been people born to Atheist parents and they have embraced a religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothie
He was married in a Christian church, raised his kids in a Christian church and professes to be a Christian and unless anybody here has the power to divine the heart of a person, to say he is not a Christian is a stretch.
What else does the man have to do. No other president has been held to this standard.
Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?
He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.
Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.
I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. Do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.
He has been calling out all his propagandists in the leftwing media outlets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If he was and it was so personal to him... why the need to spread all the false propaganda.
The drive by media repeats anything they are told to repeat by their religious leader. ANd every one uses the same worrds and same quotes. Impossible if they were not all reading off the same script they were told to read from.
I'm not a fan of Obamas'. If he is a Christian he'll show it. He'll make mistakes as all of do. Who am I to say he isn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
So it's true then. Freedom of religion only applies if the person is the same religion as you.
Good to know. :(
My question is "why does it matter?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitkat22
If he's not Christian does that make him ineligible to be president? Do Americans only elect Christians? If so, than why preach "Freedom of religion" when that's obviously not the case?
I have a problem BOTH with his religion AND his Politics... in fact there is NOTHING I like about him. And for a number of reasons. The man is a liar, and caught in lie after lie. The man is NOT what he pretends to be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
He is a socialist who thinks those of us that work HAVE to support the lazy half the population which Also contributes ZERO in taxes here.
And as it is under Obama 38% and a growing percentage of the population pay not taxes... he expects the rest of us to hand over OUR earnings to give to the lazy ones.
IN his campaign he said he wants to share the wealth... that means take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't.
I didn't go to college, spend 10 years paying that off, and 30 years clawing my way to where I am to give most of what I earn to a high school dropout drug dealer who thinks he is entitled ot the same stuff I have earned.
Incidentally in the last two years, I forget the exact date he HAS told Egyption dignataries he was Muslim, In his autobiographies he says he was Muslim... except for his mother his entire family is Muslim... he went to muslim only schools as a child...
THe ONLY Christian church he has been seen in was a glorified rascist back church that preached hatred of white people and hatred of America... he went there 20 years and claims he heard none of it... yet that Preacher has Dozens of CD's for sale OF his hatred laced sermons that were sold to anyone who would buy them. So there is tons of proof of that.
He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in... but he attended a Muslim ceremony recently.
If that was a republican President he would have been Impeached before his first six months in office.
Its more about the fact he lies about his religion and everything. What is he hiding? He can't be both. THe two religions are mutually exclusive. You either Believe in Mohammed or Jesus Christ.
Have you hear 20 years of Wrights sermons? All you have heard is what was shown in the media. I know a lot of people who attend that church and they are not racist and all of his sermons are not like that. Did you hear the context of the remarks he made in that particular sermon? Obama is not a racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothie
We have basically been listening to hate speech about Obama for almost two years it's no wonder people are believing what they really want to believe to begin with.
But to call that man a Muslim racist is irresponsible. You don't know what's in that man's heart. All you know is what you have been led to believe.
No I'm not saying that. I am a Baptist. I was brought up that you love people. I don't love a lot of people. I don't hate them. Let's say you were Catholic or Jewish. I respect your faith. You are a deist. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
Or vice versa. Let's say everyone in the world were mostly diest. I should and you should have freedom to believe any thing you like. No Alty no one has a right to take away anyone's freedom of religion. Obama set himself up to called a Muslim.
How has he set himself up to be called a Muslim?
Obama has gone to the same church since he has been married. His children were baptized in the Church. He has never been referred to as a Muslim until now.
Why do you suppose that is?
Who was "the Godly President" who lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction... Mr. "I am such a good Christian Bush." He lied to this country and his lies cost so many men and woman their lives. What for? Tell a mother who is handed folded flag he is a good "Christian he Not only was he incredibly stupid and a drunk he was a liar.man"... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
Really, you live in a sheltered world and only listen to liberal media then. THis is stuff that's Been well Publicized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homegirl 50
Ever hear Reverand Wrights Hate speaches before... google them up if you haven't.
He makes Adolf Hitler seem like a moderate person.
The lie you claim was proven to be total Bullsh*t. Proven in the Congressional record. Bush never lied about that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitkat22
Every Member of Congress including all the Leading Democrats saw and are on record having seen those same reports and agreeing the WMD's existed... except Obama who voted Present .
Anything else are total LIES spread by Democrats...
In Illinois (where I went to college and live now) plus in a few more states, a "present" vote means "you haven't proven your case. Work on it and get back to me."Quote:
Originally Posted by smoothy
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