That's incorrect BP did not neglect to provide the equipment, the equipment failed in service unfortunately when it was neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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That's incorrect BP did not neglect to provide the equipment, the equipment failed in service unfortunately when it was neededQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Most people, when setting up emergency equipment out of reach, have a tendency to check and make sure it works before they can't reach it, like checking the batteries.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
In 1985 a plan was drawn up that would have prevented the spill from spreading in the event of an accident just like this. Some one dropped the ball money was allocated and no one can find or the equipment needed to contain the oil. When the accident happened it took 8 days before after many phone calls what to be on hand ready and waiting was located in another part of the world was purchased and brought to the site. BP is no angle but the aftermath could have been far less if congress had paid attention and protected the waters and coast line by being prepared and insured that the job was done. The boot needs to be on the neck of congress. Watch what these guys are doing. If your boss never checks on you it's human nature to slack off. By the way the American People are the boss, don't let Congress forget that.
I think your attitude fairly niaive, even if the equiptment works at sea level there is no way to test it at depth once installed and it is unlikely that it would be certain it would work at all depths as the present case demonstrates. What is obviously needed is a piece of equipment that can be frequently tested under any conditions but the cost may be prohibitive so what is used in these circumstances is probability and the one in a million happened as it will sooner or laterQuote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
It is great to be wise after the event as of course politicians and commentators always are. But those who drew up a plan in 1985 are not those administering the allocation of funds today. Such programs can be gone as quickly as an administration and in any case technology changes. The shutoff valve was supposed to be failsafe to prevent such events and was either damaged or malfunctioned. It is unlikely any plan contemplated the complete loss of a drill platform but there would not have been a spill if the shutoff had operated as designed. These deep sea drilling activities are dealing with unimagined pressures and stresses and it may be that this form of activity may just have to wait for the technology to catch upQuote:
Originally Posted by meyowgee
Was that a typo or a spelling error?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Naiveté I am seldom guilty of. They dropped the blowout preventer with a dead battery.
Oil rig safety device's failure targeted - Worldnews.com
I added BP to my boycott list. Not for the rig explosion and spill . Rather, because they still deal with Iran. Oil Trade With Iran Thrives, Discreetly - WSJ.com
Yep, I think someone dropped tha ball when they did something risky without checking the safety equipment first. A dead battery and one of the safety systems was disabled on purpose is just plain bad.
so human error entered the equation, often does, Murphy's Law in operation it is always the cheapest part that fails and batteries have a finite lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
Let me explain myself a little better. The 1985 plan was approved and funded by the congress. This plan was designed to stop and contain the spill had it been deployed in a timely fashion our wildlife would not be in so much trouble. No one knows where the money went, no equipment was purchased. Now to who can be blamed for this. These lifer's in congress where there and are still there. Let's ask them. Note no congressional inquiry has been called on this issue.
I agree a dead battery is just stupid. But theft of the people's money is a crime.
You can't have an inquiry on every point related to the problem after all such enquiries are about deflecting blame from the government. The rule is you don't hold an enquiry unless you have a good idea of the outcome, you certainly don't hold one where you will be found at faultQuote:
Originally Posted by meyowgee
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has been waiting for the Army Corp of Engineers to build sand barriers between the delicate marshlands and the Gulf to protect the barrier islands. But the Corp is waiting for an environmental impact evalution and has not granted Louisiana's request for an emergency permit for the plan.:confused::confused::confused:
Do they really think that sand dumped into the gulf would have a greater negative environmental impact than oil soaking the barrier islands ? He wants to build 80 miles of sand berms . He should go ahead without the Federal Government's approval .
There are of course people who question the effectiveness of the plan but a berm constructed on Elmer's Island appears to be doing the trick.
The government should approve the plan regardless of cost ;and send the bill to BP .
Waiting on the Feds seems to be a habit in that State.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
To be fair ;he has requested the approval ; and the coastal areas are the Fed's perview.
Gov Blanco by contrast was required to request Fed aid during Katrina and waited too long to make the request.
Via Ace, I think he just got tired of waiting:
"We are not waiting for them. We are going to build it," Jindal said."
After 34 days how can you blame him? I can only imagine how this would have played out under Bush, how many days you think he'd get before everyone went ballistic? It took 4 weeks before liberal media figures took Obama to task over his lack of response other than pledging to keep his boot on the neck of BP.
Meanwhile, they're still granting environmental waivers for drilling in the gulf.
Blanco was wrong. Jindal is right. Fed's won't move until Obama can find a way to take credit for it. Today's press parade today for example. Fill the ++++
Hole.
Hate to disagree with you but that immediate area of Chernobyl is considered off limits and any person who enters into that area must wear a full radiation suit! The area is still quite toxic and Chernobyl is a ghost town. You must be thinking of the surrounding area and not Chernobyl itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by thisisit
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Originally Posted by thisisit
Thisisit is correct about the wildlife. The jury is still out about long-term effects. There are indications of albinism, strange tree growth, changes in animal functioning, but generally herds and flocks are flourishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkiedooter
I believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I also believe geological time and human time aren't one and the same. That its simplistic to say this is a mistake that can be corrected in time... and that its wrong to think that the time it might take won't have a dramatic impact on this region as we know it.
We could set off an H bomb in chicago. Eventually nature would persist. That's still little comfort for the dead.
Every living creature in the water and onshore in the Gulf area will be dead. The underwater plant life will be dead. The coral reefs of Florida will be dead. The coral reefs of the Bahamas will be dead.
This area was planned for "people removal" way back in 2005 with Katrina. Now it's being said that millions of people will be displaced and evacuated from this area completely. The benzene fumes are enough to kill people if inhaled and there is no known minimum level of just how much benzene can be tolerated by a human being (or any animal for that matter). This entire area will be barren and dead shortly.
This oil well disaster was actually a man made disaster caused by explosives that were deliberately set off. The BP folks are dictatating to the USA just what kind of toxic dispersant can be used and REFUSE to use any less toxic dispersant instead. What sort of lunacy is this?? Our fluffy headed president said that he had seen a bird flying with oil on its wings. A bird with oil on it's wings cannot fly! And this is what for empty headed president we have! He's more interested in what ball team players play on than the entire southern United States is literally being destroyed and the good probability that the Gulf Stream taking this toxic brew into the Atlantic and on to Europe. If you think England's a nice place now, just wait a few months and their wild life and their fish will all be dead as ours will be shortly.
This is just another man made disaster to make more people richer. I find it most interesting that Warren Buffet conveniently bought up a lot of stock in the very company that is supplying this extremely toxic dispersant. Odd, wouldn't you say? Or is it just too, too coincidental for such a thing to happen?
And if we have a busy hurricane season as they are now predicting, don't you think that a lot of this oil soaked Gulf surface water is going to be sucked up into these intense storms and brought ashore to then rain upon the interior lands of the southern and northeastern areas of the US causing death to the growing crops, the forests, and wild animals living there?
More people should be outraged at the complete LACK of curtailing this toxic oil from spreading... Letting the politicians yak on endlessly about this is going to cause the worst environmental crisis in the entire world. The Exxon Valdez disaster was not even close to this as it was just ONE tanker not a pipeline spewing toxic oil. The Exxon Valdez ruined the fishing in that area for at least 15 years. There are still pockets of oil blobs at the shoreline that are trapped under the sand to this day.
A really cool book to read is The World Without Us --Quote:
Originally Posted by kp2171
Amazon.com: The World Without Us (9780312347291): Alan Weisman: Books
The town of Chernobyl is literally closed period. You are not permitted to enter unless you have a permit and a full radiation suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I just realized I find girls who recommend books to read to be sexy. I mean that the girls are sexy who recommend... ah, never mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Just saying.
On with the everything in the gulf dead thread.
The President is correct -- birds with oil on their wings CAN fly. It depends on how much oil. From Greenspace, May 20, 2010: Biologist James Harris, with U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services, has spent two decades at the Breton National Wildlife Refuge. “We've found 3 [live] oiled birds so far,” he tells a small group of journalists on a tour. “You can't go chasing the lightly oiled birds through the nesting areas, because they can still fly. Trying to rescue them can disturb the other birds. If the pelican nests are disturbed, the eggs can get kicked out of the nests. The gulls will eat them.”Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkiedooter
Yes, this oil spill is a horrible disaster. A great deal of wildlife will be lost, people will lose their jobs and careers, their livelihoods. Once the gushing has been stopped, cleanup will begin, has already begun. This disaster will be felt for generations. But birds with some oil on their wings can still fly.
Hello again:
Yes, the EARTH will survive - your point?? Personally, I'm more concerned with my grandchildren than rocks... You? Not so much.
excon
Up early Ex?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Your grandchildren will be fine as far as this goes. The Gulf is used to this. You don't even hear about the bigger spill down there anymore.
Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By the way, occasionally someone mentions that the floor of the Gulf leaks oil naturally.
Morning, Cats:Quote:
Originally Posted by Catsmine
My butt leaks gas naturally too, but that doesn't make it all right.
excon
Re natural seepage :
Tar Balls Is in the Sea:A New Source ConceptQuote:
Authorities estimate that the amount of oil in reservoirs on the continental shelves of the world total 2 trillion barrels. It is also estimated that possibly less than 1% of all hydrocarbons ever generated become entrapped in a reservoir. To account for 2 trillion barrels of oil reserves, 198 trillion barrels would have to be initially formed.
The pervasive theory of seepage states that the entire surface area of a source bed is available for hydrocarbon migration, and that the entire surface area of an offshore basin may be available for seepage. Tar globs and fragments and oil droplets have been recovered in dredges and cores from every physiographic province in the Gulf of Mexico. Pervasive seepage of 0.1 bbl/day/ 1000 sq mi in the Gulf of Mexico would produce 18,250 barrels/year. Using Week's (1965) estimate of 6,170,000 sq mi of potential petroleum bearing area for the continental shelves of the world, and assuming the same seepage rate per 1000 sq mi, would produce 225,205 barrels/year. This rate could be sustained for 879 million years.
Natural Hydrocarbon Seepage in the Gulf of MexicoQuote:
Archaeological reports indicate that the Karankawa Indians were using tar in their pottery making in pre-Columbian times. Pottery making in pre-Columbian times. Survivors of DeSoto's group used tar found along the Texas-Louisiana coast to caulk their boats. From 1902 to 1909 heavy oil slicks were noted in an area about 100 miles south of the Louisiana coast. Oil spouting into the air was reported in the same area in 1909. Oil ponds off the Sabine area are reported in a USGS publication in 1903. Publication in 1903. Reports of seeps in the Gulf are numerous, and the Department's study has located several general areas of seepage within and around the Gulf of Mexico.
The Secret Of Mummy EmbalmingQuote:
Kennicutt says the watersealing properties of tar were also discovered along the Texas Gulf Coast, where native Indians used the substance to coat canoes and boats.
Texas Primer: The Tar Ball: Texas Monthly August 1987
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