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Originally Posted by smoothy

One can only hope a very agressive form of crotch cancer afflicts everyone who voted for Socilized healthcare.

And yeah I do mean that....I didn't make the sacrificed to go to college, and no I got NO help from the government, and my family was too poor to help, so some Blowhard from Chicago can steal MY hard earned money to subsidize a inner city High School dropouts healthcare. Because heaven forbid...THEY make any sacrifices to get their own.

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I second that, Smoothy. Let all those jerks who voted for the socialized medicine or "health care" get aggressive crotch cancer and have their little dingys fall off. What a cute euphamism the word health care is for something truly despicable.

OR better yet

VOTE out all those gutless, dingyless, spineless bastar*s in November who voted for that piece of legislation. Their day of reckoning is coming. I sure hope they enjoy living like the rest of the "astroturf" they disdained by voting for this phoney coverup of the starting of the takeover of a Free America.

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, you don't believe we should pool together to hire inspectors to check out our meat and stuff. You don't think we should pool (socialize), our fire and police protection??? You wanna pay for it yourself, huh? You mentioned kids above. Do you pay for your kids education, or do you let the government do it?

Do you see where I'm going here?? Nahhh, you don't.

excon

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I believe in a head tax... you want 10 kids... you pay for 10 kids. Do I think that's going to go anyplace? No... but that's fair... people would pay a fairer share of the services they consume. The current method is grossly unfair.

Where do they Pool the police and fire departments? Not where I live. And how are FDA inspectors considered socialist?

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I second that, Smoothy. Let all those jerks who voted for the socialized medicine or "health care" get aggressive crotch cancer and have their little dingys fall off. What a cute euphamism the word health care is for something truly despicable.

OR better yet

VOTE out all those gutless, dingyless, spineless bastar*s in November who voted for that piece of legislation. Their day of reckoning is coming. I sure hope they enjoy living like the rest of the "astroturf" they disdained by voting for this phoney coverup of the starting of the takeover of a Free America.

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Exactly... as an American you are entitled to the PURSUIT of the American dream... what you are not entitled to is to have everything handed to you. Which of course means it was taken from someone else who actually earned it first before it was given to someone who didn't earn it at all.

That's exactly where many immigrants have a better grasp of what it is to be American than many people who were born and raised here.

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Where do they Pool the police and fire departments? Not where I live. And how are FDA inspectors considered socialist?

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, when it's socialism you LIKE, you don't want to call it socialism. I understand. Really, I do.

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

So, when it's socialism you LIKE, you don't wanna call it socialism. I understand. Really, I do.

excon

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You didn't answer my question... exactly where do they "Pool" police and fire departments? That doesn't happen in my part of the country. Those are local services paid for by local taxes... there is nothing socialized about them. Socialism would have me paying for police halfway across the country instead of my own because THEY aren't paying for their own.

And exactly how are FDA inspectors "socialism"? I'm asking because I don't see how those equate to socialism.

I have stated elsewhere that the Police and Fire Depts are local and not national . But if they were ,the Constitution provides for the "common defense" .

FDA was established on a constitutional concept that is often abused by the Federal Government . None-the-less,there is a mandate to regulate interstate commerce in the constitution.

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Those are local services paid for by local taxes.....there is nothing socialized about them.

And exactly how are FDA inspectors "socialism"? I'm asking because I don't see how those equate to socialism.

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Hello again, smoothy:

If your police WEREN'T socialized, when you had a robbery, you'd call up your private police force if you could afford 'em. We had 'em, once. They were called vigilantes.. But, we decided to spread the risk (socialize it), and hire a police force that worked for ALL of us. THAT is quintessential socialism. The fact that they're local, and not national, doesn't change a thing.

If the meat inspectors WEREN'T socialized, you'd buy your meat where you had your own PRIVATE inspectors checking out the stuff. That, or you'd be taking your chances.. But, we as a society decided to SOCIALIZE meat inspection, and put the government in charge of it.

It's socialism, plain and simple. And, you LIKE it, so you don't want to call it socialism.

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

If your police WEREN'T socialized, when you had a robbery, you'd call up your private police force if you could afford 'em. We had 'em, once. They were called vigilantes.. But, we decided to spread the risk (socialize it), and hire a police force that worked for ALL of us. THAT is quintessential socialism. The fact that they're local, and not national, doesn't change a thing.

If the meat inspectors WEREN'T socialized, you'd buy your meat where you had your own PRIVATE inspectors checking out the stuff. That, or you'd be taking your chances.. But, we as a society decided to SOCIALIZE meat inspection, and put the government in charge of it.

It's socialism, plain and simple. And, you LIKE it, so you don't wanna call it socialism.

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That's not how it works... Local governments established their own police force for its residents... the residents pay for them in their own taxes. Not all localities may do this. And the juridiction of these police are limited to the town or citiy limits. That's not socialism.

FDA inspectors are not soicalized. They exist to verify that food which does cross state lines complies with regulations pertaining to clearliness etc. States can only do that within their own state boundries...

Now if the Government took over all food production... THAT would be socialism.

Except if you live in California... where they believe the world rotates around them and can dictate to everyone else... but that doesn't give them any legal status to do so.

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Thats not how it works.....

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Hello again, smoothy:

It's EXACTLY how it works. Socialism is an idea. It's got nothing to do with boundary's. It got to do with people pooling (socializing) risk.

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But if they were ,the Constitution provides for the "common defense" .... None-the-less,there is a mandate to regulate interstate commerce in the constitution.

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Hello tom:

I didn't say socialism is unconstitutional.

Plus, see what I said about boundary's to smoothy.

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

It's EXACTLY how it works. Socialism is an idea. It's got nothing to do with boundary's. It got to do with people pooling (socializing) risk.
Hello tom:

I didn't say socialism is unconstitutional.

Plus, see what I said about boundary's to smoothy.

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I still don't see how you equate anything Federal to socialism? Because there is a difference.

Now if the Feds came in established new ones and said... this is the Police... this is the Fire Dept... we run them, and nobody else can and all others are now illegal.

Now That's socialism.

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Now if the Feds came in established new ones and said...

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Hello again, smoothy:

You still think socialism has to do with boundary's or size. It doesn't. It's an IDEA that can be put to work on a small scale or a larger one.

Here what wikkipedia says is socialism:

"Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources."

Isn't that exactly what we do with our cops and firemen? Don't we publicly own the police and fire department "resources"? Don't we collectively, "administer the means of production and allocation of those resources"?

excon

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Hello again, smoothy:

You still think socialism has to do with boundary's or size. It doesn't. It's an IDEA that can be put to work on a small scale or a larger one.

Here what wikkipedia says is socialism:

"Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources."

Isn't that exactly what we do with our cops and firemen? Don't we publicly own the police and fire department "resources"? Don't we collectively, "administer the means of production and allocation of those resources"?

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Well, Wikipedia isn't always right about everything.

I do see the point you are trying to make now... I might not agree with it. But I at least can see where your argument is coming from.

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Well, Wikipedia isn't always right about everything.

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You want other documentation that Wikipedia is correct with its explanation? I can quote you the same from an encyclopedia. Will you accept the explanation from an encyclopedia? How about a dictionary?

P.S. "Socialism." Oxford English Dictionary. "1. A theory or policy of social organisation which aims at or advocates the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole, and their administration or distribution in the interests of all people."

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I do see the point you are trying to make now.....I might not agree with it. But I at least can see where your argument is coming from.

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Hello again, smoothy:

All I'm saying, is that we're FINE with SOME socialism. I'm a libertarian. I'm a capitalist. I do believe, however, that the clause in the Preamble which says "to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves" means that it's incumbent upon the government to provide a safety net.

Now I agree that I'm making that up. But, no more than you are when you think you're entitled to a "safety net" known as law enforcement. Now we can discuss how broad a safety net it should be, or whether there should be one at all. Clearly, we believe that, as a society, we should at the minimum, provide a safety net that includes protection against fire and crime. Personally, I'm fine with spreading the safety net to old people so that they shouldn't have to live in the street, even IF they were less than stellar investors.. I'm also fine with providing them health care too. In fact, I'm fine providing everybody with health care.

I don't think that makes me a socialist, and more than your thinking that fire protection should be afforded to you does. I do NOT believe the government should "take over" ANY industry. This law certainly isn't a "take over" as the noise machine says. It doesn't portend any future socialistic activity to me either.

excon

Mr. Bush left this country in a mess! He lied to the people about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in order to validate his going into Iraq. Okay! I voted for him so I can gripe! When Saddam was captured he should have pulled out of Iraq and focused on Afghanistan and the true culprit OSAMA BIN LADEN.

As the mother of a son who has been in Iraq and Afghanistan more than a few times I think Bush dropped the ball and listened too much to Donald Rumsfeld who in my opinion knew nothing about anything. And Bush was a puppet his strings being pulled by the great "HONEST" Cheney. That was sarcasm by the way the "Honest" word.

I think McCain should have been elected at least he has the experience.
Obama is like all the former presidents, he is promising things, he cannot deliver. Place the blame on the right person. I worry about all the young men and women who have lost their lives. I support my son and all the military who are in harms way! I am an American and even with her flaws I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Bush did the right thing by going into Afghanistan after what they did on 9/11 but I question his reasons for Iraq. This was once a nation based on truth and honesty ,under God, it's not that anymore. I agree with Smoothy about our schools. When corporal punishment was taken out of the schools they have become almost frightning.

Kids walking into schools with guns, killing innocent children. No prayer. No mention of God, no way a teacher can make a child behave and if you do take away recess or give them a note to take home, all hades breaks loose cause mommy and daddy don't want their sweet little angel being deprived of a privilege.


When I was in school, this is what my parents said, "if you get a paddling in school, you'll get another one when you get home". We grew up respecting our teachers and our parents. I'm stating an opinion and I know most of you will not agree with on what I have said. Thanks EX-Con for giving me a chance to vent.

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Yes, it is. Do you pay your own mail carrier who delivers only to your house? What are the names of your personal fireman and policeman?

I'm a librarian but am not assigned to serve only one individual or family. I work in a public library that buys new books and DVDs and video games and lots of other library materials and also pays for a staff, maintenance on a building, and improvements/repairs to that building. The money comes from property taxes collected from property owners in a community. Do you have a library card?

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I'm stating an opinion and I know most of you will not agree with on what I have said. Thanks EX-Con for giving me a chance to vent.

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Hello K

You're welcome.. But, that's what this board is - a place for you to state your opinion. Who cares if somebody agrees with you or not?

excon

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Mr. Bush left this country in a mess! He lied to the people about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in order to validate his going into Iraq. Okay! I voted for him so I can gripe! When Saddam was captured he should have pulled out of Iraq and focused on Afghanistan and the true culprit OSAMA BIN LADEN.

As the mother of a son who has been in Iraq and Afghanistan more than a few times I think Bush dropped the ball and listened to much to Donald Rumsfeld who in my opinion knew nothing about anything. And Bush was a puppet his strings being pulled by the great "HONEST" Cheney. That was sarcasm by the way the "Honest" word.

I think McCain should have been elected at least he has the experience.
Obama is like all the former presidents, he is promising things, he cannot deliver. Place the blame on the right person. I worry about all the young men and women who have lost their lives. I support my son and all the military who are in harms way! I am an American and even with her flaws I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Bush did the right thing by going into Afghanistan after what they did on 9/11 but I question his reasons for Iraq. This was once a nation based on truth and honesty ,under God, it's not that anymore. I agree with Smoothy about our schools. When corporal punishment was taken out of the schools they have become almost frightning.

Kids walking into schools with guns, killing innocent children. No prayer. no mention of God, no way a teacher can make a child behave and if you do take away recess or give them a note to take home, all hades breaks loose cause mommy and daddy don't want their sweet little angel being deprived of a privilage.


When i was in school, this is what my parents said, "if you get a paddling in school, you'll get another one when you get home". We grew up respecting our teachers and our parents. I'm stating an opinion and I know most of you will not agree with on what I have said. Thanks EX-Con for giving me a chance to vent.

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Really... you should talk to Canada who processed several hundred metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium taken out of Iraq. Right.. the mainstream news avoided that one because it proved them wrong.

Besides... Obama, Bill Clinton, John Kerry... and everyone else that's been harping that tune saw the same evidence and same briefings Bush did and agreed ON Record... and on video, yeah I've heard their voices saying it too.

So the entire Demcrat Party are liars too, they all agreed at the time. Lets hear it... you can't blame one person and give a pass to everyone else that had the SAME briefings. ANd it wasn't just the USA... other European countries did too.

I agree.. about the kids lacking any discipline too.

If I got it at school I got it at home too. And the parents at least share the blame in that... they allow their little monsters to do whatever they want, whenever they want. I couldn't be a teacher... I'd be fired for beating the hell of the first smartazz to get cocky with me in the classroom. I have no tollerance for kids who never learned respect at home.

McCain did at least have experience... unlike Beezlebub... who never did an honest days work his entire life.

Lot about McCain I didn't like... but at least the man had the balls to be honest about who he was and what he stood for. Like him or hate him, you had to respect him... but no... Acorn got enough numbers fudged to get a man elected who needs a teleprompter to say more than 5 words without putting his foot in his mouth and who likely hasn't been honest once in his adult life.


I don't like or respect a person who #1 feels an obsession to be on TV every freaking day... and #2 rarely opens his mouth without reading what he has to say off a teleprompter. Why, I think we know why. He can't, he comes across as a bumling fool from the Chicago projects if he doesn't rely on someone else's words.

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Hello K

You're welcome.. But, that's what this board is - a place for you to state your opinion. Who cares if somebody agrees with you or not?

excon

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Thanks for clearing that up and again thank you for letting me vent.:)

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I do believe, however, that the clause in the Preamble which says "to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves" means that it's incumbent upon the government to provide a safety net.

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I've been paying for public school education since 1972, but my own kids have never attended a public school. In fact, now that my kids are adults, and I'm old and sick, I'm still paying for public education. Does somebody owe me a refund?

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Really....you should talk to Canada who processed several hundred metric tons of Yellowcake Uranium taken out of Iraq.

Besides....Obama, Bill Clinton, John Kerry....and everyone else thats been harping that tune saw the same evidence and same briefings Bush did and agreed ON Record...and on video, yeah I've heard their voices saying it too.

So the entire Demcrat Party are liars too, they all agreed at the time. Lets hear it...you can't blame one person and give a pass to everyone else that had the SAME briefings. ANd it wasn't just the USA...other European countries did too.

I agree..about the kids lacking any discipline too.

If I got it at school I got it at home too. And the parents at least share the blame in that....

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Stating an opinon Smoothy and in our political arena yes there are liars on both sides. I wish our schools today and parents today were like the parents we had. I hate politics .:)

My kids have never gotten into trouble, no school shootings have ever occurred in my city, and we're atheists!

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My kids have never gotten into trouble, no school shootings have ever occurred in my city, and we're atheists!

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You're probably a good parent too. So? Same here, and we're Lutheran.

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My kids have never gotten into trouble, no school shootings have ever occurred in my city, and we're atheists!

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I'm happy for you! My kids are wonderful children also. We haven't had a school shooting in our city, but I think about all the other places. Have a good day!:)

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You're probably a good parent too. So? Same here, and we're Lutheran.

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Yes, it's about parenting and making that the priority. My post was simply to state that having prayer or mention of a god in school doesn't make a difference. It's the parents that make the difference.

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I've been paying for public school education since 1972, but my own kids have never attended a public school. In fact, now that my kids are adults, and I'm old and sick, I'm still paying for public education. Does somebody owe me a refund?

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I think you are owed one... after all, in our local schools where I live... they admit 19% of their already high budget (one of the higher in the country) goes towards educating Illegals offspring. And they cry about not having anough money. Simple... get rid of the illegals, California loves them so much... a one way bus fare is cheap... send them over there. Then BAM... 19% of your budget is freed up.

They live 15 people to a three bedroom rental... most pay NO taxes... yet WE have to be bled dry to pay for what they aren't, and they don't even belong here, or even have the rioght to be here. Not fair at all.

Do you guys get a refund when you don't use the cops or don't have a fire?

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Do you guys get a refund when you don't use the cops or don't have a fire?

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no... ever price a fire truck? I'm serious, I paid less for my house when I bought it. And I'm not in a cheap area.

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My kids have never gotten into trouble, no school shootings have ever occurred in my city, and we're atheists!

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Disciplining your kids has nothing to do with religion... or lack thereof. It has everything to do with being a good parent, and not trying to be your kids best friend. Friends they get in school... they only have two parents (in most cases anyway).And I grew up in a household that was both Catholic AND Protestant. Basically raised as a protestant by my choice however. Yeah I was given that choice growing up.

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Yes, it's about parenting and making that the priority. My post was simply to state that having prayer or mention of a god in school doesn't make a difference. It's the parents that make the difference.

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I agree about the parenting. I think well behaved children are raised by parents who who don't let them get away with everything. Some kids don't have that. Your children and mine and a whole bunch of others are brought up to respect people. :)

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They live 15 people to a three bedroom rental....most pay NO taxes....

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How do you figure? Then NO renter pays taxes.

(Psssst. The landlord figures his property tax into the rent he charges. I've been a landlady. I know.)

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How do you figure? Then NO renter pays taxes.

(Psssst. The landlord figures his property tax into the rent he charges. I've been a landlady. I know.)

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Yeah the property owner pays taxes on ONE house or Apartment... do those taxes cover the services consumed by 15 people? I think not.

Now, I am not exaggerating here, Where I live we DO have problems with large numbers of Illegals crowding homes, apartments etc... far in excess of legal occupancy standards, and the authorities do bust them... all the time. Because the cost of housing is so high, and so are the taxes.

Most Illegals work for cash, off the books and pay NO taxes... yet their kids suck our school districts dry, they clog our emergency rooms where they get treated and do NOT pay the bills leaving us the taxpayer to foot the costs. Many drive without a license.. without insurance and screw people when they cause an accident and don't pay for their damages. And by illegals... not all are hispanic. There are plenty of illegals from Russia, China, India, Pakistan etc, too. I mean ALL of them. Too many focus ONLY on the Hispanics... ignoring the others.

Best Damn speech I've heard in years... by a Judge... not a politician (politicians are all liars and cheats for the most part), people from outside the USA might not understand its significance however. Because its all about constitutional rights and limitations inposed on the government by the constitution.


YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano Natural rights Patriot Act - Part 3 of 3

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Best Damn speech I've heard in years.....by a Judge...not a politician (politicians are all liars and cheats for the most part)


YouTube - Judge Andrew Napolitano Natural rights Patriot Act - Part 3 of 3

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He's a liar and a crook.

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He's a liar and a crook.

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We already know Obama is a liar and Crook, he's a politician from Chicago... nuff said.. (they all are)... the Judge spells out what the others are doing as well. The constitution is really clear about the limits of the Federal giovernment... a concept liberals want to ignore.

How do you know when Obama is telling a lie? His lips are flapping.

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We already know Obama is a liar and Crook, he's a politician from Chicago....nuff said..(they all are)....the Judge spells out what the others are doing as well. The constitution is really clear about the limits of the Federal giovernment.....a concept liberals want to ignore.

How do you know when Obama is telling a lie? His lips are flapping.

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I meant Napalitano. Try to keep up. You paint with the very wide brush don't you: all liberals are this, all liberals are that, all Chicago politicians are this... and it's always soemthing very negative. Why do feel the need to do this? You don't believe that people are individuals?

Hey... Obama is CLEARLY violating the constitution... anyone who can read the constitution knows Federal power is not unklimited or all encompassing... and it never was form the beginning.

However I've never seen any proof what-so-ever presented that discredits a single word of Napolitanos speech.

Gee, Obama, Mayor Daily... Blogdonovich there's three... can you name a single honest CHicago politician that WASN'T in trouble over doing something they weren't supposed to do?

Besides... most people who identify as liberal, believe ONLY what the DNC tells them to believe... even when presented proof. Hell, closer to home (where I reside), look at Marrion Berry. Democrat... caught ON VIDEO, smoking Crack Coccain in a hotel with a convicted Prostitute... whining he was set up... and democrats agreeing he was set up... and 20 some years later STILL do long after he served his time...

Yeah there are individuals out there... but sadly there are far too many people that think they are owed entitlements, yet pay no taxes... and now expect free health care the rest of us are supposed to pay for. Liberals just happen to be who most of them identify with.


I happen to be sick and damn tired of paying for them... get a job, make a sacrifice like the rest of us. And screw the illegals... I don't give a damn if they die in the gutter, I have my own bills nobody is helping ME pay. Including trying to save for a retirement since they give SSI to people that never workded a day in their life much less paid into it... I've been paying into for 30 years now I may never see a dime of.

Hell I don't even have my own cell phone because I need that money for other stuff... but when was the last time you saw a poor person WITHOUT a cell phone? Hell even the illegals have cell phones...

I'm so ticked off, I will sell my extra stuff on eBay... or shred it before it goes in the trash... if they are going to tax me exen more so the lazy don't have to sacrifice... I'll be damned if I will give them my stuff free any longer. Yeah it's a lower tax deduction... but hell, It would be worth it. I have to buy my own health care... let them buy their own... not extort it out of me. ANd yeah... my charitible donations in the past were never insignificant... but they will be... like ZERO. Lazy bums getting free health care I have to pay for BY FORCE on top of my own... screw them all.

And oh yeah... I am so fired up over this... you would not imagine. It's a world class sore point with me right now... over and above anything and everything else.


Sorry Karma... so you know this isn't directed at you... you can't imagine how irritated I am over this right now. I'm barely keeping my head above the water right now... without this new crap.

High School droppouts made that choice... they have to live with it... I am not going to joyfully part with MY hard earned money without a fight. I busted my butt, graduated... paid my own way through college with NO help from the government because I was too white... spent a decade paying off those loans.. clawed my way to where I am now... and some liberals think I should be sharing what I have with someone who never made the effort to better themselves... huff huff... grrrrrrrrrrrr...

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he's a politician from Chicago

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Actually, no, he's not. He was never a politician in Daley's machine. He dealt with it as a community organizer to improve Chicago South Side neighborhoods.

I came out here to college in 1963 and never left the area. I have no love for Daley or his minions, and, thank God, have never lived in Chicago so that Daley or his father was my mayor.

Obama is not a product of Chicago politics. His political experience is in the 'hoods and as a state senator.

Hey Smoothy:
Republican Sex Offenders

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# Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
# Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
# Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
# Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
# Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
# Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
# Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
# Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
# Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
# Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
# Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
# Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
# Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
# Republican County Councilman Keola Child's pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
# Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
# Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
# Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
# Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
# Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
# Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

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Barney Frank is still in office... do you care?

THat goes to show the integrity of the Democratic Party...

Durban... bibes, kickbacks

Half of Obamas Czars are Tax cheats... yet silence from the Democrat party...

TheTimothy Geitner... head of the treasury and thus IRS is a Tax cheat... well documented... and PROVEN. Democrats act like it was a parking ticket.

When the Democrats clean up their hours RIGHT now... then worry about lesser people.

Or does the Democrat party excommunicate people who point at the would class cheats and thieves in their own party they turn a blind eye to?

How About Charles Rangal from New York... tax cheat, no calls from even one democrat to kick him out...

Yeah... right. Democrats are allowed to do whatever they want... and they are defended by the democrats who protect them...

Yeah... you want me to have respect for them? Lets see them do to their own offenders what they HAVE done to Republicans in the past... THEN I might start to care.