The night was a Republican victory ;but the NY 23rd was a shot across the bow of the Republican establishment . I think this bodes well to a challenge in Fla. To the Republican leadership's support for Charlie Crist in next year's Senate race . The Republicans better begin to take a serious look at Marco Rubio.I think that is going to be a big primary fight.

Meanwhile Owens is doing what "moderate " Blue Dog Democrats do .

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Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.
Owens indicated in a press release that he was now in favor of the bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during his campaign.
According toPolitico.com, Mr. Owens assured voters that he felt the public option had no place in the health care reform bill. Contrary to that position, Mr. Owens now indicates that he intends to vote in favor of the bill even though it now contains a public option.

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http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index...ews&Itemid=175

"Owens Breaks 4 Campaign Promises in first hour in Congress". The Gouverneur Times - Your Online News Source

The race for the 23rd was much closer than anyone suspected. There are recounts going on and absentee ballots counted and the difference in the vote total is shrinking.
Recanvassing shows NY-23 race tightens even as Rep. Bill Owens is sworn into House seat | News from The Post-Standard -

Significant in this is the fact that Owens flipped on his opposition to Pelosi-care and voted with the majority last week. In retrospect ;Hoffman should have waited to concede.

I was just about to post this myself, tom. Speaking of outside shots, any chance you'll have mercy on my team this week? My strong team suddenly fell thanks to RB's getting yanked or hurt in the first quarter and another down week for a receiver or two.

Stranger things can happen I guess.:D

Not sure I could take losing weeks to both my AMHD competitors.

Let's see . Both our QBs are no guarantee this week. Turner and Mendenhall could easily outperform Jackson and Lynch... Moss and Holmes v Jackson and Colston is a wash in my view. I think I have an edge in TE ,D ,K ,and Flex (even though Ricky Williams was average last week).

I'm still amazed at the lack of trade movement in the league . I've been very lucky with waiver wire pickups . After this week I have no more juggling needed because of bye weeks (why did Moats sit there unclaimed for 2 weeks?? Amazing !)

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stranger things can happen I guess.:D

Not sure I could take losing weeks to both my AMHD competitors.

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You already beat me once so you have that :D

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Let's see . Both our QBs are no guarantee this week. Turner and Mendenhall could easily outperform Jackson and Lynch... Moss and Holmes v Jackson and Colston is a wash in my view. I think I have an edge in TE ,D ,K ,and Flex (even though Ricky Williams was average last week).

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They aren't projecting much for Mendenhall but they didn't last week against Denver's D when I foolishly benched him... he rocked on Monday. I figured Portis could at least get through a game the first time I have EVER played him.

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I'm still amazed at the lack of trade movement in the league . I've been very lucky with waiver wire pickups . After this week I have no more juggling needed because of bye weeks (why did Moats sit there unclaimed for 2 weeks?? Amazing !)

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I think I've managed 2 trades in all my leagues. I pondered Moats but Slaton has been good points-wise so I figured a clear number one in Portis was better than a "who knows what Kubiak will do."

I'll tell you guys this much McDrabb is not screwing me out of a win this week!!

Spit, that just made LOL, I nearly choked on my sunflower seeds. I think you have a good shot this week. Btw, I have a couple of really good TE's and could use a good defense...

Hmmmmm who are you looking at the Saints or the Eagles D?

How about the Giant D?? Surely they are worth an AP or a Michael Turner! :eek:

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Saints for Celek.

Tom I think you got into Ex's stash with that offer!!

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how about the Giant D ??? surely they are worth an AP or a Michael Turner !!:eek:

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Eek is right :D

I like Celek but I do have Health Miller. Let me think about it I'll let you know shortly

You should negotiate in secret. What if I countered with Davis ?

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At least we got the ball rolling. Of course Davis won't help him this week, wouldn't go through until after he locks for tonight :D

Shhhhhh !

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I may not be ahead in the standings but I'm not a complete dummy :D

I am going to pass I can't trust the eagles D. Spoken like a true Eagles fan!!

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Come on, they're ranked 2nd this week. It ain't every day you get offered a fine offensive player for a DST. ;)

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The race for the 23rd was much closer than anyone suspected. There are recounts going on and absentee ballots counted and the difference in the vote total is shrinking.
Recanvassing shows NY-23 race tightens even as Rep. Bill Owens is sworn into House seat | News from The Post-Standard -

Significant in this is the fact that Owens flipped on his opposition to Pelosi-care and voted with the majority last week. In retrospect ;Hoffman should have waited to concede.

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What are the rules? If Hoffman conceded early and it turns out that he actually won, does he have recourse to "unconcede" the election and take his congressional seat? Was the election result certified yet (which based on precedent would mean that the results stand as they are)? If it turns out the Hoffman won and is now seated, will Owens' votes in Congress be reversed if it turns out that he was seated in error? Is this the basis for overturning the health care reform vote in the House and demanding a re-vote? Does anyone know of any law or precedent in such a case?

This has lots of ramifications.

And when are the pollsters, candidates, and talking heads going to learn to stop calling elections before all the votes are counted? Hasn't the practice of calling elections early based on early returns resulted in enough troubles over the past 10 years?

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Conklin said the state sent a letter to the House Clerk last week explaining that no winner had been determined in the 23rd District, and therefore the state had not certified the election. But the letter noted that Owens still led by about 3,000 votes, and that the special election was not contested -- two factors that legally allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to swear in Owens on Friday.

"We sent a letter to the clerk laying out the totals," Conklin said. "The key is that Hoffman conceded, which means the race is not contested. However, all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed."

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If he wins he wins.

This is unchartered territory. Madame Mimi should not have been permitted to sware him in until the State certified the vote. I have more research to do.

Hoffman has "unconceded " .

Hoffman 'unconcedes' in N.Y.-23 House race - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

I don't know what this means since Owens has already been sworn into the job.