Ask Me Help Desk - Radio star approved as NFL owner

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Speech I looked couldn't find anything about him going to rehab. You don't lose part of your hearing taking a little bit of Oxy. You have to be taking a lot. So if he was taking a lot he couldn't just stop taking them or he would be going through withdrawal. I never listened to Rush so did he have like a month of shows where he was throwing up on the air?

Ummm... Spit, where did you get the idea that he lost his hearing because of Oxycontin use? He lost his hearing in a three-month period back in 2001 due to AIED. He wears a cochlear implant.

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As far as your statement that he is a "current drug user", Limbaugh has also been undergoing random drug testing since his agreement with the Palm Beach Prosecutor's office in 2006 to drop the investigation, and has been clean since then. He also went through 5 weeks of drug rehab in 2003, when the investigation first started.

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Where are you getting your information?

Elliot

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Yes he has a right to put a bid in. Just like the NFL owners have a right to deny that bid.

But since when did the NFL approve character assassination and attempts to destroy someone's chances before they even get a hearing?

NFL does not enjoy the anti-trust exemptions that MLB has .They have limitted ones that allow them to screw cities like Jacksonville with blackout rules ,but when they tried to deny Al Davis the right to move to LA he sued them and they lost anti-trust suits against the USFL (the jury reward was a mockery of the verdict) . They have lost every single law suit against them either by startup leagues ,or by rogue owners like Al Davis.

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Restraint of trade mainly affects post-termination restrictive covenants in employment contracts, and restrictions on competition in contracts for the sale of businesses.

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BTW ;Excon is right ;buying the Rams is a losing proposition. But that should be between the Rams and the purchasing group .

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Yes he has a right to put a bid in. Just like the NFL owners have a right to deny that bid.

But they have ACCEPTED Fergie's bid... and are trying to deny Rush's.

Are you OK with that double-standard?

Elliot

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Are you OK with that double-standard?

Hello again, Elliot:

What double standard? Are you saying that business doesn't have the right to decide who they do business with?? Other than the standards set by law, a business can have as many double standards as they wish... No??

You're not saying, are you, that because I happened to do business with a fellow named Charlie, that I have to do business with everybody named Charlie??

Only a flaming LIBERAL would think like that.

excon

Explain how it is a double standard. What bigoted thing did Fergie say? Now if you are trying to say it is because she sings about smut well the NFL has no problem with smut. You can go to your favorite teams website and buy a calender of their cheerleaders in their underwear. It is not about drugs because no one in the NFL is saying it is about drugs. It is all about what he said about McNabb. So what bigoted thing did Fergie say?

I know my cousin has hearing problems because of the painkillers he abused. Amazing how a drug abuser loses his hearing to a "rare" disorder. Not the painkillers he abused from 96 to 03. Oh and if you think you can't beat a drug test you are mistaken ET.

By the way ;another SCOTUS case to watch this term is American Needle v. National Football League . Again the NFL is under fire for anti-trust actions.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Explain how it is a double standard.

Double standard or not, prejudging this potential owner is not what the NFL represents itself to be.

My concern though is we have a White House, Democrats everywhere, leftist bloggers, Hollywood wackos and a number of people here that consistently slam Fox News for their bias and nobody seems to give a sh*t when the rest of the media engages in blatant character assassination based on lies and fabricated quotes.

The thread is about the double standard in the media and among Fox news bashers. Rush just happens to be the one in their sights this time.

Except the NFL is not prejudging Rush. The are going off a bigoted remark Rush made on ESPN about one of the Leagues good guys. Kudos to the NFL for standing up to Rush.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Elliot:

What double standard? Are you saying that business doesn't have the right to decide who they do business with??? Other than the standards set by law, a business can have as many double standards as they wish... No???

You're not saying, are you, that because I happened to do business with a fellow named Charlie, that I have to do business with everybody named Charlie????

Only a flaming LIBERAL would think like that.

excon

Oh, they have the right to try to ban Rush, I guess. I guess everyone has the right to have a double standard. I'm just asking you to RECOGNIZE IT and CALL IT when you see it.

No, you don't have to do business with anyone named charlie just because you once did business with a guy named charlie.

But if you go around claiming that the REASON you aren't doing business with someone is BECAUSE they are named charlie, and then you do business with SOMEONE ELSE named charlie, you can expect people are going to call you a hypocrite.

If you go around claiming that the reason that you don't want Rush as an owner of an NFL team is because he is a racist, a drug user and says disgusting things on the air, and then you approve someone else who has done the Same THINGS, you better believe that someone's going to call you a hypocrite for it.

Though the truth is that the NFL owners really DON'T have the right to ban him. MBL owners do because of the anti-trust laws they operate (or are exempted) from. But the NFL owners operate under a different set of rules. I don't think that they can legally ban Rush if Chip Rosenblum, Lucia Rodriguez and Stan Kroenke decide to sell to him and the rest of his consortium. I don't think that the other owners have the right to interfere in a private transaction between private individuals for sale of an asset. That would be a violation of the anti-trust laws.

Elliot

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Except the NFL is not prejudging Rush. The are going off a bigoted remark Rush made on ESPN about one of the Leagues good guys. Kudos to the NFL for standing up to Rush.

That's just it, Spit, where's the bigotry? Where's the racism? The McNabb remark was not racist. Rush is not racist. He would not have a black man as his right hand man every day on the air, frequently use a black man as guest host and consider it an honor to interview to Tony Dungy if he were racist. It's all manufactured outrage.

Even if it were racist, I thought he NFL allowed people a chance to redeem themselves, i.e. Michael Vick, Ray Lewis, Pacman, Shawne Merriman and on and on and on. NBC has a guy on their Sunday Night Football broadcasts that says far more outrageous things on a daily basis by the name of Keith Olbermann, and believe it or not (at least until Obama signs the hate crimes bill this week) we have freedom of speech in this country.

Yes we do have freedom of speech. But you do not have freedom of speech in the NFL. Just like we do not have freedom of speech at our jobs or even on AMHD.com I have had comments removed from this site for saying something negative about Catholics. You know how it works

Saying McNabb is not a good player and the only reason why people want to make him look like a good player is because he is black is bigoted. The NFL does not control who NBC puts on their pregame show.

Vick, Pacman, Merriman, and Olberman are not trying to own a NFL team. The League holds the owners to a different standard. Hence the vetting process and needing to get 24 of the owners votes.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Yes we do have freedom of speech. But you do not have freedom of speech in the NFL.

Rush is not in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap

Jerry Jones found a way around that remember?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Rush is not in the NFL.

Right he is not in the NFL but he wants to be. And if never said anything about one of their good guys we would not be having this conversation.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Jerry Jones found a way around that remember?

Actually I don't.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Right he is not in the NFL but he wants to be. And if never said anything about one of their good guys we would not be having this conversation.

Nevertheless, he deserves the chance to speak for himself on these matters and not be derailed by a bunch of media hacks preemptively.

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Actually I don't.

Sorry, it all started when he signed an exclusive sponsorship agreement with Pepsi for Texas Stadium when Coke had a league-wide agreement. And by the way, most NFL owners are big time Republican types from what I understand so I bet Rush gets a hearing anyway if he continues to pursue this. In the meantime, those media hacks better do as tom said and get their lawyers ready.

Does anyone know who else is in the Checketts group ? Unconfirmed report is the Rush is being dropped from the group . Unconfirmed report is that convicted insider trader George Soros is in the group .

Yup Rush has been dropped from the group. The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism. He is insane. And if you believe him then you are also insane.

His McNabb comments were directed at the sports media . What happened to Rush this week is a lynching pure and simple... a lynching led by racist Al Sharpton ,who once called a white store owner a white interloper and stereotyped Jews as diamond merchants. Also leading the charge was Jesse Jackson who once called NYC hyme-town.

The coward Dave Checketts ,who destroyed Madison Square Garden and the NY Knicks will also destoy the Rams if he gets the franchise. Rush is actually lucky to get dumped from the group .

But if I was Rush ,with all his resources,I'd make life miserable for all those who slandered and libeled him this week

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Yup Rush has been dropped from the group. The sad thing about it is the NFL commissioner came out the other day and basically said your comments about McNabb offended the NFL and we don't want you in the league. And Rush's reaction, That is not the reason I was dropped. It is the left and the democratic party trying to kill conservatism. He is insane. And if you believe him then you are also insane.

Goodell said "I have said many times before, we're all held to a higher standard here...I would not want to see those kinds of comments coming from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL. No. Absolutely not."

What kind of comments? What did he base that on, what the media was saying, quotes they can't back up? What higher standard, one that only gives certain people the benefit of the doubt? One that only gives certain people a chance to be heard?

If I were Rush I would probably react the same way only I wouldn't have been that kind. He's not running for anything, he never claimed to be the head of the Republican party, and the left, the media, the Democrats have absolutely assailed him based on dubious quotes, quotes out of context - most of which were jokes. These people have had a humorectomy or a lobotomy or something.

Anyway, like I said this is bigger than Rush Limbaugh, this post was about the hypocrisy in the media and all over the left side of the fence. They can now pat themselves on the back as they've not only succeeded in their hate campaign against Rush, they've begun a new era where private citizens are no longer free to enter into a legal business transaction without interference from the thought police.

By the way, McNabb looks like a great play this week. I bet even Rush would use him on a fantasy team at the right time :)

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Originally Posted by tomder55

His McNabb comments were directed at the sports media . What happened to Rush this week is a lynching pure and simple ...

Hello again, tom:

It was. But, what's good for the goose...

Back to the drugster... He lost 85 pounds recently... Hmmmmm... Instead of oxy, I'll bet he's been hitting the meth pipe.

excon

PS> By the way, what does it matter WHO his racist comments were directed at?

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Back to the drugster... He lost 85 pounds recently... Hmmmmm... Instead of oxy, I'll bet he's been hitting the meth pipe.

Actually your comment has the same validity of the unsourced comments he allegedly was accused of saying . It's the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife" ?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If I were Rush I would probably react the same way only I wouldn't have been that kind.

Hello Steve:

What surprises me, is that the limp dude is surprised at this reaction... He actually, ain't no brighter than Sarah Palin, is he?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

It's the equivalent of "when did you stop beating your wife" ?

Hello tom:

It is.. But, it's delicious, isn't it?

excon

Hello again, tom:

You know, under ordinary circumstances, I'd have a LOT of sympathy for someone who got caught up in addiction...

But, the drugster?? It ain't going to happen... In SPITE of his own ordeal, and in SPITE of his brush with PRISON, he is STILL a staunch supporter of putting people EXACTLY like him, in jail.

He IS the most despicable man in the universe.

excon

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Hello tom:

It is.. But, it's delicious, is't it?

It's hilarious . But like Steve says ;he is not running for public office so he has nothing to lose if he points a double barrel legal challenge at all those who did not have the integrity to source check before they misquoted him... especially in the MSM... but also the NFL (like I pointed out yesterday ,they are vulnerable to anti-trust challenges) .

Here is a partial list of public officials and their well sourced quotes who have not lost job or business opportunities for what they have said .

Howard Dean... “I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks.”

Dean again : “You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? … Only if they had the hotel staff in here.”

VP Joe Biden explains why southern Democrats should vote for him: “My state was a slave state.”

Former Klansman Robert Byrd : “I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time.

Democratic Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin :“I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day.”

Steny Hoyer speaking about Michael Steele's : “[He has] a career of slavishly supporting the Republican Party.”

VP Joe Biden again :“You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent … I'm not joking.”

And there are many more .

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But, the drugster?? It ain't going to happen... In SPITE of his own ordeal, and in SPITE of his brush with PRISON, he is STILL a staunch supporter of putting people EXACTLY like him, in jail.

I can't comment one way or the other . I actually rarely listen to him and have not heard him comment much about drug addiction or drug law enforcement . My guess is you are right in that he probably has not modified whatever positions he takes .But I also suspect his position is much deeper than you characterize it.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

But I also suspect his position is much deeper than you characterize it.

Hello again, tom:

Deeper, schmeeper... He's an ideologue who could NOT see past his own ideology into his real life... That's not deep. That's BLIND HYPOCRISY. More importantly, its DANGEROUS!

excon

Speech you know what this is like. This is like a child who gets in trouble in school and blames everyone but himself. He said what he said about McNabb and instead of Manning up he points the finger. It wasn't that Sarah Palin gave stupid answers to simple questions no, that diabolical fiend Katie Kuric was out to get her. When are the people in your party going to MAN UP and take responsibility for what comes out of their mouth?

But on to important things McNabb should have field day against DA RAIDERS. Then again my grandma could also and she died 3 years ago. The only bright spot for Oakland is a Def Back they have named Nnamdi Asomaugh. He is a shut down corner. I was reading about him and last year in 16 games his side was only thrown to 13 times for 110 yards No touch downs. That is pretty amazing.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Here is a partial list of public officials and their well sourced quotes who have not lost job or business opportunities for what they have said

Hello tom:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that private business doesn't have the right to do business with WHOM it wishes to do business with?? You're not saying, are you, that they should be forced by the public, to do the publics will??

Nahhh... You wouldn't say that, because it sounds positively liberal.

excon

I was at the Giants Raiders game last week. The only reason they weren't skunked was that the refs blew a replay . I lost some points in FF because a Def.touchdown was overturned.

Most of the fans filtered out in the 3rd qtr. But with construction of the new Giants/Jets stadium parking is a nightmare at the Meadowlands and it took over an hr. to leave the lot.
Next time I will tailgate after the game.

The Raiders are living proof that if you do not have a good owner you are not going to have a good team.

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Hello tom:

You wouldn't be saying, would you, that private business doesn't have the right to do business with WHOM it wishes to do business with?? You're not saying, are you, that they should be forced by the public, to do the publics will??

Nahhh... You wouldn't say that, because it sounds positively liberal.

Your right I'm not saying that . I'm saying that what happened to Rush probably violates anti-trust laws ,and certainly violates restraint of trade principles and laws.
Since when does a business owner get to choose the owner of a competing franchise ?

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Speech you know what this is like. This is like a child who gets in trouble in school and blames everyone but himself. He said what he said about McNabb and instead of Manning up he points the finger.

Actually it's not, it's exactly as I said or better as tom put it, a lynching. Did you read the quoutes he offered? Congressmen, a mayor of a major city, the former head of the DNC and the sitting VP have made more blatantly racist comments and they still have a job. We have an obvious tax cheat and liar heading the committee that taxes Americans and hate-mongering liars as House and Senate majority leaders. Not only do they still have jobs, their work personally affects the lives of millions of American. They want to overhaul an entire industry, healthcare, and they just infringed on on one of our most cherished and basic rights in free speech when they passed their hate crimes bill. Rush just loves football.

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It wasn't that Sarah Palin gave stupid answers to simple questions no, that diabolical fiend Katie Kuric was out to get her. When are the people in your party going to MAN UP and take responsibility for what comes out of their mouth?

There's a slight difference in one man or one woman speaking their mind and the members of a majority of an industry (the media) and countless bloggers and elected officials setting their vicious sights on that one man or woman in a coordinated lynching. Oh, and that crips and blood comment, he did man up yesterday and say he should have put it another way.

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But on to important things McNabb should have field day against DA RAIDERS. Then again my grandma could also and she died 3 years ago. The only bright spot for Oakland is a Def Back they have named Nnamdi Asomaugh. He is a shut down corner. I was reading about him and last year in 16 games his side was only thrown to 13 times for 110 yards No touch downs. That is pretty amazing.

Only problem for the Raiders is Nmandi can't cover the whole field by himself. The Raiders are baaaaaad.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I was at the Giants Raiders game last week. The only reason they weren't skunked was that the refs blew a replay . I lost some points in FF because a Def.touchdown was overturned.

I lost some games because a dufus WR was late for curfew from his fling.

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

ET the thing is 24 out of the 32 owners have to approve of the sale. If they don't then NONE of those people are owning the Rams. Plus I don't think Rush will be all that happy about how the NFL shares the wealth.

Football 101: Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap

So basically what you are saying is the same thing that I'm saying... that the football owners are acting as a monopoly in violation of anti-trust laws to block a specific individual or group of individuals from entering the industry.

And you don't have a problem with that?

Elliot

He should have came out a while ago and said he was wrong about that. I know that the bloods in Trenton aren't pulling sharpies out of their socks they are pulling guns out of their waste band. They aren't stashing cell phones they are stashing crack rocks or heroin

The Raiders have always been my second team from the first time I saw Bo Jackson blow by the entire Seahawks defense. He was amazing. It makes me sick what Al Davis has done to them. You can't get a new coach every year or half a year. It isn't going to work. You can't draft people just because they can run a 4.2 Forty. The man is stuck in 60's 70's and 80's.

ET I like at it like this. I don't care if the NFL is a Monopoly. They provide me with entertainment once a week. I look at them as a private club. They can make their own rules and if you don't like it then you can go watch the UFL. Maybe Rush can buy one of their teams if he loves the sport so much!

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

He should have came out a while ago and said he was wrong about that. I know that the bloods in Trenton aren't pulling sharpies out of their socks they are pulling guns out of their waste band. They aren't stashing cell phones they are stashing crack rocks or heroin

I don't think it was an issue until now, Spit. That's just it, it was dragged up to lynch him. I don't recall any outrage until now.

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The Raiders have always been my second team from the first time I saw Bo Jackson blow by the entire Seahawks defense. He was amazing. It makes me sick what Al Davis has done to them. You can't get a new coach every year or half a year. It isn't going to work. You can't draft people just because they can run a 4.2 Forty. The man is stuck in 60's 70's and 80's.

What is he now anyway, like 90 years old? I was a bit of a Raiders fan in the Kenny Stabler days, now if I have to watch anyone besides the Boys it's the Colts, Saints or Texans.