And I still ask, does Pete Stark still owe the people an apology?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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And I still ask, does Pete Stark still owe the people an apology?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
While you're debating that ex, let's get back to the OP. This is NOT about Joe Wilson, I asked specifically "do those who think it's all about race want us to give him a chance - or do they expect us to just roll over and let him do what he wants?"
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Couple things... As a current rightwinger, you should be familiar with the refrain, two wrongs don't make a right...
IF somebody in the past broke with house tradition, is it then OK for everybody?? This is kind of like your position about the terrorists... THEY determine how we behave. You're apparently saying that Pete Stark determines how the Republicans should behave... I didn't know HE was in charge of YOUR party. Besides, if the principle you're espousing is valid, why don't you SHOW those Democrats how to behave instead of acting like 'em?
excon
First of all you're still ignoring my original post. Secondly, I haven't condoned Wilson's outburst but as I said, he apologized and it was accepted. Stark did not and the same Speaker that censured Wilson let that slide. It has nothing to do with 2 wrongs making a right, it's about holding them BOTH to the SAME STANDARD which IS showing those Democrats how to behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
In keeping with racism and giving him a chance can you explain this
Obama captured 43% of the white vote while McCain captured 4% of the black vote,
Obama just continues to make questionable appointments one of which is a advisor who made vulgar remarks referring to republicans <no big deal> but also signed a petition in 04 suggesting that the 9/11 attacks was an inside job by the u.s.government.
Again actions not race
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Maybe I WAS ignoring it... Ok, I'll get to it...
No, of course I don't think you should lay down. But, you got to admit that if you pay attention to the world, certain thoughts just kind of pop into your head...
It's like the Mark Fuhrman thread. This is a guy who has been proven to use the N word and has DENIED it... Therefore, the thought that he's a racist kind of popped into my head. I don't know where it came from...
Then I saw him on Hannity arguing with a black man. The thought that he might be calling his opponent the N word under his breath also just kind of popped into my head... I don't know where that came from either...
So, I don't know if criticism of Obama from your side is legit or NOT. It's VERY hard to tell. But, I'm NOT nuts because those thoughts pop up. Especially when I KNOW that Joe Wilson is a racist, just like Fuhrman. His history PROVES it, just like Fuhrman.
You're a reasonable guy. That's why I KNOW these thoughts pop into your head too.
excon
Especially when I KNOW that Joe Wilson is a racist... because Maureen Dowd told me so
Or you could look at his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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In 2003, Essie Mae Washington-Williams' revealed that she was the daughter of Wilson's former employer, the late Senator Strom Thurmond, and Thurmond's black maid. Wilson was among those who publicly doubted her claim that Thurmond had a child out of wedlock. Wilson said even if her story was true, she should not have revealed it because "it's a smear" on Thurmond's image and was a way to "diminish" Thurmond's legacy. After Thurmond's family acknowledged the truth of Washington-Williams' revelation, Wilson apologized but said that he still thought that she should not have revealed that Thurmond was her father.
Dowd, chief of the thought police, should be aware of this. Are you going to report me to her? Is she hiding the precogs somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
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Where I come from my thoughts, whatever they may be, are not a crime.
Hello again, Need:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You'd also find that he was one of the supporters of a bill that would keep the Confederate flag flying over the Capital in Columbia.
Or, you could believe Rush Limpdude. But, no. When he played Barrak the Magic Negro on air, those thoughts that the Drugster might be a racist too kept popping up... But, nahhh. I must not be thinking straight.
excon
I believe in equality. Now America has white and black presidents. Will people of other races have a chance to be president? (rhetorical question) For some reason I don't think society can open up to that just yet.
Y'know what?
I own part of that house where Joe shouted at the pres. It belongs to me as much as anybody else in this country,
And Y'know what?
The fact that Joe hollered the truth out doesn't bother me one bit!
Still on that? You do know - I know you do - that that was a parody based on a claim by an Obot. But I get it, a conservative can't make fun of a supporter of a black president any more than he can criticize a black president's policies. Decorum demands us to just roll over for The One.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I think you are absolutely wrong about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by none12345
But it wasn't the truth at all, he was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Alinsky RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Republican Playbook!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why is that? I just have a hard picture imagining a Russian, Indian, Chinese, British and a lot more being the president of America one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Actually, Wilson was proven correct about the fact that Obama lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And Obama has been proven to have lied multiple times in his speech to Congress.
Obama Speech Fact Check The Foundry
Obama's Health Care Speech | FactCheck.org
Scott Harrington: Fact-Checking the President on Health Insurance - WSJ.com
Which means that Wilson WAS telling the truth.
Elliot
Nope:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
http://cloudfront.mediamattersaction...images/lie.jpg
Yep, see my last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Dowd was bad enough, Jimmy Carter playing the race card is pathetic, but Rep. Hank Johnson's response is absolutely inexcusable:
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"He did not help the cause of diversity and tolerance with his remarks -- if I were a betting man I would say it instigated more racist sentiment," Johnson said Tuesday. "And so I guess we'll probably have folks putting on white hoods and white uniforms again and riding through the countryside intimidating people.. . That's the logical conclusion if this kind of attitude is not rebuked, and Congressman Wilson represents it. He's the face of it."
Once and for all, racists are scumbags. But so are race baiters like Dowd, Carter and Johnson. The pathetic drivel being spewed by these race baiters is bullsh*t, they aren't the least bit interested in solving any racial issues, they thrive on fueling racism and maligning this country and her citizens. When will Americans wake up to who it is that's really keeping racism alive??
How does Obama lie? Let me count the ways:
Statements made by Obama in his speech to Congress. Check the links to find the TRUTH.
1) "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage."
2) First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.
3) And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care … That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives. (See also NEJM -- Does Preventive Care Save Money? Health Economics and the Presidential Candidates)
4) And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up – under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.
5) I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. Period.
6) Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.
7) This reform will charge insurance companies a fee for their most expensive policies, which will encourage them to provide greater value for the money – an idea which has the support of Democratic and Republican experts. And according to these same experts, this modest change could help hold down the cost of health care for all of us in the long-run.
All lies.
Or as Obama said...
Just words, just speeches...
Elliot
Sorry
Sorry for what?
I double posted, tried to delete and couldn't. Then it wouldn't let me close the post without some text in the text box. So... "sorry".Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Elliot
Ah, no problem
earlier I wrote
That sparked a number of non sequitur comments from Mr Manners . But the real question that remained unanswered is... did Joe Wilson break House rules ?Quote:
Honestly I thought that the constant interuption of the address by the mindless drones standing and applauding throughout the address degraded the proceedings much worse than Wilson's single expression .
When Elliot asked for the rules I was able to find where the Dems released a revised list of rules that on appearance shows he did . (#32)
But appearances is deceiving . The truth is ;according to Donald Wolfensberger, director of the Congress Project at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington;that the normal House rules do NOT apply when it is a joint session of Congress.
(my source for this is MSNBC . I hope the resident source vettor approves )
House weighs rebuke of Wilson - Capitol Hill- msnbc.com
The article goes on to say that Madame Mimi had wide latitude in interpreting its general code of conduct. Wide latitude and disgression + a bit of good politcs should've dictated to the Dems that it was wiser to let the incident drop and move on . But instead they wasted our money in phoney vindictive action that just further inflames passions over the issue of Health Care reform.Quote:
Wolfensberger noted that under regular rules, House lawmakers wouldn't be allowed to stand and cheer as they frequently do at presidential speeches before Congress.
I am beginning to get the impression that the Dems really don't want to pass any legislation this year.
It is probably impolite to say "you lie" to the person at the Presidential podium, even though he is lying. But, the ones that really scare me are the ones that equate opposition of the radical communist agenda that His Majesty King Obama has to racism. (I cannot call him President - that, constitutionally speaking, is Joe Biden's position - which is also scary). Mr. Wilson's outburst was not racist, but Jimmy Carter's comments are racist. 95% of the black people in America that voted, voted for King Obama - that is racist. Hank Johnson's comments are outrageously racist. Maureen Dowd's comments are stupid, ignorant, racist, and incite people to hatred.
I would have liked to have seen the entire conservative block of Congress walk out on the State of the Union speech when His Majesty King Obama began his lying - and basically just said, "that is enough. We won't listen to this mouth of lies any longer". But, unfortunately, that would have been spun in the media as something else, and they would have lost. They knew that they had no recourse. We have no recourse. Our nation is sinking fast into the very same mud and slime that Russia sunk in, that Cuba sunk in, and that every communist nation in the world has sunken into. We are no longer leading, we are following. I am sorry for your death, America the Beautiful.
Hello M:Quote:
Originally Posted by Markustee7
Why not? Isn't he a citizen? You're not a birther are you? Birthers are the most racist of the haters.
excon
As ridiculous as I find the birther movement (although not as ridiculous as the truthers), on what do you base that, a hunch?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
An EDUCATED hunch... I'm like the Supreme Court Judge who said he couldn't describe pornography, but he knew it when he saw it... I KNOW what racism looks like - even the subtle variety. Just like I know what torture looks like - even if the government wants to call it something else.
excon
Like Maureen Dowd, who prefaced her claim with "fair or not?" We all know there are still racists, but this controversy is entirely manufactured. And that's much more of an educated hunch than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
There you go again.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Birthers are loons. They are nut cases. They are idiots, by and large. They are off the wall. They are 100% wrong about whether Obama was born in the USA or not.
But they ain't racist.
You see, no man of ANY race, can hold the office of President if he wasn't born in the USA or one ot its territories. It's not a race issue. But you're making it one.
Which again makes YOU the racist, not them.
Hello again, El:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
I don't know how you miss it, but you miss most stuff. It's OK. That's why I'M here.
excon
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Originally Posted by excon
You say that about twice a day. I'm still waiting to see why you're here...
Can you explain why birthers must be racists?
Are they applying the law differently to one race than another? Nope. They are applying the provisions of Article II section 1 equally to all presidents, regardless of race.
Are they applying a different standard to one race than another? Nope. They want every president to provide a copy of their birth certificate or other document evidencing the birth of that president in the USA or one of its territories.
Are they demanding that a president of one race provide his birth certificate but not a president of another race? Nope. They want EVERY president to do this... and every president has.
They are applying the same stupidity across the board equally. They are equal opportunity idiots. But they ain't racists.
Elliot
Perhaps some of you who are adept at research will check this report out.
These are the words of one of the Sheikhs who is leading the Muslim demonstration in Washington Fri. Sept. 25.
"Muslims should march on the White House. We are going to the White House so that Islam will be victorious, Allah willing, and the White House will become into a Muslim house."
He also said "Obama is our man in the White House".
From thaty nasty site Little green Footballs:
Little Green Footballs - "The White House Will Become the Muslim House"
One cleric said something similar in 2005. Has nothing to do with any current march. I notice far right blogs with the same text as you posted here. Please stop this spreading of misinformation and cite your sources for your "hearsay" next time.
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