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  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:14 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, El:

    These aren't meetings, and there are no questions. They're planned disruptions... And, if you believe they're spontaneous, I'm accepting bids on the bridge your cross each morning.

    excon

    No questions?

    I heard some very strong questions about in the Specter/Sebillius video why members of Congress feel that they can pass a piece of legislation that they haven't read. Sebillius refused to answer saying that she's not a member of Congress. Specter's response was "we have to make quick decisions".

    I heard some strong questions in the Specter/Sebillius video about who is going to pay for this plan. Are taxes going to go up? Are services going to go down? And Sebillius couldn't answer them.

    There were very clear questions, excon. You just don't like the questions or the reaction from the crowd when these political hacks couldn't answer them.

    There were questions. There will be MORE questions. And accusations of some sort of conspiracy are not going to stop those questions from being asked. And if elected officials can't answer these questions, then they need to question their own support for the bill. And if they continue to support the bill, they can expect people to vote against them in upcoming elections.

    Elliot
  • Aug 5, 2009, 08:26 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    I heard some very strong questions about in the Specter/Sebillius video why members of Congress feel that they can pass a piece of legislation that they haven't read. Sebillius refused to answer saying that she's not a member of Congress. Specter's response was "we have to make quick decisions".

    Hello again, El:

    How come I didn't hear you sniveling about the Patriot Act that didn't get read? It's hundred's of pages were passed after 5 minutes...

    I guess democracy in YOUR WORLD, is a ONE WAY street.

    excon
  • Aug 5, 2009, 09:45 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, El:

    How come I didn't hear you sniveling about the Patriot Act that didn't get read?? It's hundred's of pages were passed after 5 minutes....

    I guess democracy in YOUR WORLD, is a ONE WAY street.

    excon

    Actually, the USA Patriot Act was picked apart with a fine-tooth comb before it was passed.

    Furthermore, it has since been passed several more times, sometimes with amendments. The thing has been picked to death, both before it became law, and for several years since. It has been thoroughly debated.

    Elliot

    Edit: I just looked up the legislative history of the USA PAtriot Act. The bill was first introduced to the House on October 12 2001, and was then signed into law on October 26. However, opponents were given the chance to debate against the bill, and in fact Russ Feingold and Pat Leahy both spoke up against the bill. There was plenty of time to read it and protest it and some did. There was also time to debate it again before it was re-approved in June 2005. Several changes were made to the bill during that re-approval process.

    And finally, the most important thing is that the USA Patriot Act had specific sunset provisions built into it. Any "damage" caused by the bill would not be permanent because of those sunset provisions.

    What sunset provisions are there on Obama's health care bill?
  • Aug 5, 2009, 11:12 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Are taxes going to go up?

    Yes. And insurance premium payments will go way down, some may not need any additional insurance at all. That's the way it works. Did you not know that? I believe I have mentioned it to you a few times yet you still ask the question.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 01:05 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Yes. And insurance premium payments will go way down, some may not need any additional insurance at all. That's the way it works. Did you not know that? I believe I have mentioned it to you a few times yet you still ask the question.

    Only because you refuse to accept the fact that the amount that you pay in taxes is MUCH HIGHER than the amount I pay for insurance premiums... even when I'm paying full cost for my insurance.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 01:27 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Only because you refuse to accept the fact that the amount that you pay in taxes is MUCH HIGHER than the amount I pay for insurance premiums... even when I'm paying full cost for my insurance.

    Hehe, you don't know how much I pay in taxes or how much private insurance would cost yet you claim some sort of victory. LOL!
  • Aug 5, 2009, 01:37 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Hehe, you don't know how much I pay in taxes or how much private insurance would cost yet you claim some sort of victory. LOL!

    I know what Canada's tax rates are. And the rates in the UK and France and Sweden, for that matter.

    Oh, sure, it's possible that you have no income and are getting your health care for free. But that would just make you a leech... nothing to be particularly proud of.

    But I'm making the assumption (based on your statements that you "make a good living" and "still manage to save some money") that you make at least average wage for Canada, and are being taxed accordingly.

    So the calculations aren't that hard.

    Unless you wish to dispute any of those assumptions... then we can talk about the economics of health care in the cases of individuals. Waste of time since it doesn't answer any questions about the system as a whole. But hey, I'm game.

    Elliot
  • Aug 5, 2009, 04:07 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    But I'm making the assumption (based on your statements that you "make a good living" and "still manage to save some money") that you make at least average wage for Canada, and are being taxed accordingly.

    That's right and it's nice! I don't have to worry about being denied, about pre=existing conditions, about dealing with lawyers. I guess I'm just a positive guy and appreciate things that are good while you look for the negative in most everything.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 05:18 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Only because you refuse to accept the fact that the amount that you pay in taxes is MUCH HIGHER than the amount I pay for insurance premiums... even when I'm paying full cost for my insurance.

    Not in my instance... I've seen your figures and I isn't paying that. Not even close.
  • Aug 5, 2009, 07:00 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell View Post
    Not in my instance... I've seen your figures and I aint paying that. Not even close.

    Ditto.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 03:39 AM
    tomder55

    When Dems organize it is democracy in action .But when their opposition organizes it is tea bagging and astroturf . Ok MSM run with it ;Rachel Madcow has given you the talking points.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 03:46 AM
    inthebox

    Don't forget the ultimate in organization


    A C O R N





    G&P
  • Aug 6, 2009, 04:00 AM
    tomder55

    Actually I gave too much credit to Madcow. The DNC constructs the talking points heard here

    This is an email from Jen O'Malley Dillon of the DNC


    Quote:

    There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.
    The truth is, it's a sham. These “grassroots protests” are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.
    Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families — we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these “5 facts about the anti-reform mobs,” then pass them along to your friends and family?

    5 facts about the anti-reform mobs
    1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the “Swiftboat” ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.
    2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no “government takeover” in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.
    3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the “SS” symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting — and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to “break” the President himself and ruin his Presidency.
    4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to “stand up and shout” and try to “rattle” lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.
    5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to “a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress.”
    It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.
    Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.
    Thanks,
    Jen
    Jen O'Malley Dillon
    Executive Director
    Democratic National Committee

  • Aug 6, 2009, 04:31 AM
    NeedKarma
    ^
    She's got it right.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 06:25 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    That's right and it's nice! I don't have to worry about being denied,

    Tell that to the 63% of Canadians who say otherwise and HAVE been denied treatments.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 06:41 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    ^
    She's got it right.

    No, what's true is what tom and I have both said, to you guys when the Dems organize it's Democracy in action, and when we organize it's a "charade," a threat to Democracy, "mob rule." What's true is is Dems don't want any debate, they want to stifle any debate that doesn't fit their agenda.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 06:43 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Tell that to the 63% of Canadians who say otherwise and HAVE been denied treatments.

    Link?
  • Aug 6, 2009, 08:08 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Link?

    Provided SEVERAL times in the past. You ignored it then or claimed that the sources were biased... even though the studies were from your own government talking about its own program. Go back and look for it yourself. I haven't got the time.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 08:30 AM
    Wondergirl

    For your reading pleasure --

    Heard a radio interview with David Gratzer while driving home from work last night --

    From Amazon: The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care by David Gratzer --

    "Drawing on personal experience in both the Canadian and U.S. systems, Dr. Gratzer shows how paternalistic government involvement in the health care system has multiplied inefficiencies, discouraged innovation, and punished patients. The Cure offers a detailed and practical approach to putting individuals back in charge. With an introduction by Milton Friedman, The Cure will be required reading for anyone who wants to know what is really wrong with the modern health care system."
  • Aug 6, 2009, 09:20 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    from Amazon: The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care by David Gratzer --

    The reviews on Amazon are interesting: http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Capitalis...DateDescending

  • Aug 6, 2009, 09:54 AM
    excon

    Hello again:

    I'm a free marketeer. IF we HAD unfettered markets, I believe, like my conservative brethren, that prosperity and happiness would ensue...

    But, apparently the free market wasn't a good enough place to compete, so industry started courting government favor... Of course, once they GOT government favor, they're not going to continue to compete in the marketplace anymore... Why would they? Nooooo, they're going to compete for more government largess...

    And, that's the state we find ourselves in. Certainly one look at how much the health care industry spends on lobbying instead of competing in the marketplace, should be a clue.

    So, are we ever going to get BACK to what it once was, which was a health care system that WAS the best in the world, and affordable by everyone?? Nope... Once the system begins to erode the quality of life for average Americans, instead of boosting it, like capitalism is SUPPOSED to do, then it's time to change it...

    So, the only solution in my book, is for the government to take it over...

    It's just like the oil industry... I can't be the only one who knows that we're not going to let them bankrupt us either.

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2009, 10:09 AM
    twinkiedooter

    So, our insurance premiums are supposed to get lowered? HA! So, why did my insurance company agent tell me that if I had one of those little farting cars my premiums would be higher than the Jeep that I own now? The reason cited by my insurance lady was the fact the little cars cost more to repair. So I'm not buying the "our insurance premiums are going to go down" baloney.

    Also, didn't you guys figure out that the reason they are pulling the $4,500 trade in so that they can keep the low end price cars off the market completely? That means that there won't be many $1,000 or $1,500 affordable cars out there anymore for folks who don't make a zillion dollars a year. That means that if there are no "cheap" or reasonably priced vehicles out there to buy that everyone will have to be saddled with a monthly car payment. Great idea. Only Washington morons could dream up this dribble. Make everyone (or force them) have a nice, new farting little car with a huge monthly payment hung around their necks like millstones. Hats off to you Washington for this brilliant idea to enslave America further.
  • Aug 6, 2009, 10:16 AM
    N0help4u

    Yeah that is what worries me for ONE
    I know I can't afford any $200. Or more a month car payment for some vehicle I don't even like.
    I can't even imagine what it would look like if it got into one little accident. Probably totalled at 25 mph and then your insurance sky rockets
  • Aug 6, 2009, 10:51 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    So, our insurance premiums are supposed to get lowered? HA! So, why did my insurance company agent tell me that if I had one of those little farting cars my premiums would be higher than the Jeep that I own now?

    Hello twink:

    I don't know. Are you going to be so happy when it takes $165 to fill your tank, when I can drive up in my farting little car and fill up for $1.27?

    It's OK if you hit me, too. I got my fenders off an old bumping in car I bought from the amusement park.

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2009, 11:11 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again:

    I'm a free marketeer. IF we HAD unfettered markets, I believe, like my conservative bretheren, that prosperity and happiness would ensue....

    But, apparently the free market wasn't a good enough place to compete, so industry started courting government favor... Of course, once they GOT government favor, they're not going to continue to compete in the marketplace anymore.... Why would they? Nooooo, they're going to compete for more government largess...

    Wow have you got it backward.

    You actually think that banks courted government interference to force them to make loans they didn't want to make. And the auto manufacturers WANT agencies like OSHA and the EPA messing with them. And that drug companies want the FDA deciding what drugs they can make.

    Practically every industry has a lobbying group to keep the government OUT of the industry. The American Bankers Association, for instance, is there to fight AGAINST government interference in the industry like the CRA legislation. But you think that these companies want government interference.

    Talk about revisionist history.

    Since 1942, this country hasn't had an industry in which the government hasn't poked its nose. Since the Wicckard V. Filburn case, the US government has used "interstate commerce" as an excuse to regulate every industry, but most especially the financial industry. But you think that these industries have been looking for government interference.

    What a crock.

    Study some history, excon. Then we'll talk.

    Elliot
  • Aug 6, 2009, 11:17 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello twink:

    I dunno. Are you gonna be so happy when it takes $165 to fill your tank, when I can drive up in my farting little car and fill up for $1.27?

    It's ok if you hit me, too. I got my fenders off an old bumping in car I bought from the amusement park.

    excon

    Excon,

    Can you think of any scenario in which oil becomes so scarce that the price becomes $165 to fill up a tank, but the price of any othjer form of energy (especially electric) stays as low as $1.27?

    When oil prices rise, it causes the price of OTHER FORMS of energy to rise as well. Whether it's because of greater demand for those other forms of energy in lieu of gasoline and oil, or whether it is because the higher price of oil means that it costs more to produce other forms of energy, the result is the same. When oil prices go up, electricity prices and natural gas prices go up too.

    Your scenario is, as usual , ridiculous.

    Elliot
  • Aug 6, 2009, 11:20 AM
    N0help4u

    That reminds me. I heard on the news that California has gone so broke that they are now willing to drill for oil. What's up with that that they can change up when it is convenient to them to do so?
  • Aug 6, 2009, 11:39 AM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N0help4u View Post
    That reminds me. I heard on the news that California has gone so broke that they are now willing to drill for oil. Whats up with that that they can change up when it is convenient to them to do so?

    Its called hypocrisy, and it's common among ALL politicians of all persuations.

    I'm glad that they're at least willing to consider the possibility.

    Elliot
  • Aug 6, 2009, 12:17 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Wow have you got it backward.

    Practically every industry has a lobbying group to keep the government OUT of the industry.

    Hello again, El:

    I'VE GOT IT BACKWARDS?? Dude!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    Can you think of any scenario in which oil becomes so scarce that the price becomes $165 to fill up a tank,

    Tell me, Mr. rightwing economist, just how much do you think the last barrel of oil is going to be worth? ME?? I think it'll be worth several MILLION $$$'s. You?

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2009, 12:45 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, El:

    I'VE GOT IT BACKWARDS????? Dude!



    Tell me, Mr. rightwing economist, just how much do you think the last barrel of oil is gonna be worth? ME??? I think it'll be worth several MILLION $$$'s. You?

    excon

    I think it won't be worth much of anything. Because by the time we get to the last barrel of oil the economy will have already collapsed or we will have switched to some other form of energy. I'm betting on the latter.

    And tell me, oh Font of Wisdom, if we are down to our last barrel of oil, how much will electricity be selling for?

    If we haven't found another source of energy with which to create electric power by powering the electrical generators that feed the national grids, electricity will be just as scarce as the oil is.

    Elliot
  • Aug 6, 2009, 12:58 PM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ETWolverine View Post
    And tell me, oh Font of Wisdom, if we are down to our last barrel of oil, how much will electricity be selling for?

    If we haven't found another source of energy with which to create electric power by powering the electrical generators that feed the national grids, electricity will be just as scarce as the oil is.

    Hello again, El:

    I thought it was the rightwingers who had faith in the American Entrapranurial spirit. It seems to be missing from your mantra. You actually have NO faith at all, that we can find our way out of this dilemma, and make ourselves stronger in the process?? You really don't, do you?? And, you call yourself an American.

    I see that the conservatives out there agree with you... I'd be ashamed, if I was you.

    excon
  • Aug 6, 2009, 01:00 PM
    ETWolverine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, El:

    I thought it was the rightwingers who had faith in the American Entrapranurial spirit. It seems to be missing from your mantra. You actually have NO faith at all, that we can find our way out of this dilemma, and make ourselves stronger in the process??? You really don't, do you??? And, you call yourself an American.

    I see that the conservatives out there agree with you.... I'd be ashamed, if I was you.

    excon

    Where, exactly, did you get that from?

    Repeating my comments...

    I think it won't be worth much of anything. Because by the time we get to the last barrel of oil the economy will have already collapsed or we will have switched to some other form of energy. I'm betting on the latter.

    What are you reading?

    Elliot
  • Aug 6, 2009, 04:08 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    So, our insurance premiums are supposed to get lowered? HA! So, why did my insurance company agent tell me that if I had one of those little farting cars my premiums would be higher than the Jeep that I own now? The reason cited by my insurance lady was the fact the little cars cost more to repair. So I'm not buying the "our insurance premiums are going to go down" baloney.

    Also, didn't you guys figure out that the reason they are pulling the $4,500 trade in so that they can keep the low end price cars off the market completely? That means that there won't be many $1,000 or $1,500 affordable cars out there anymore for folks who don't make a zillion dollars a year. That means that if there are no "cheap" or reasonably priced vehicles out there to buy that everyone will have to be saddled with a monthly car payment. Great idea. Only Washington morons could dream up this dribble. Make everyone (or force them) have a nice, new farting little car with a huge monthly payment hung around their necks like millstones. Hats off to you Washington for this brilliant idea to enslave America further.



    Good points reiterated by others in the citizenry. Are you part of the "mob" that Nancy P is talking about ? ;)



    Letters - WSJ.com


    Quote:


    The “clunkers” being crushed were the next generation of used cars capable of supplying the middle class, minimum-wage earners, students and the poor with transportation necessary to keep this nation moving forward.

    This government giveaway is only for those who qualify for a car loan and who choose to go into debt at a cost of hundreds of dollars a month in payments, plus insurance, in order to help an industry we’ve already spent billions of tax dollars bailing out.

    With America still reeling from the collapse of the housing market brought on by teaser loans promising people homes they couldn’t afford, the government now comes along with a program that does for car ownership what was once done for real estate.

    Crushed cars. Loan defaults. Repossessions. No transportation to get to lost jobs. It’s the next recipe for disaster that the experts, government officials, media and talking heads don’t see coming. I betcha.

    Marguerite Quantaine

    Ocala, Fla.


    The “cash for clunkers” program required the government to accurately estimate the demand for trading in a car, and based on that to provide adequate funding for the program (“‘Cash for Clunkers’ Runs Out of Gas,” page one, July 31). The government failed in its analysis.

    One might argue that the program was a success, given that the money ran out after four days, but that would be missing the larger point. Based on cash for clunkers, there is no reason to believe President Barack Obama and Congress have the ability to properly estimate the infinitely more complex supply, demand and cost of providing health care. And when they get it wrong, the outcome will be far more dire than simply having to keep one’s clunker a little while longer.

    John C. Katz

    Falls Church, Va.



  • Aug 7, 2009, 05:28 PM
    tomder55
    Wow I this op is all over the place ! #28 I showed that the program is not this great success and I see no rebutal.

    Ex yes the free market will find viable alternatives eventully to oil and the market will adopt those alternatives when they become commercially viable. Mandating it isn't going to make it happen no more than if the gvt. Had regulated whale oil lamps out of existence before Edison's breakthrough. Did the gvt outlaw them years before electric lighting became viable ? Of course not. Like it or not we are wed to petroleum for the immediate future so we better start securing our sources... instead of watching while the Ruskies make deals with Cuba to drill off Fla.

    Wondergirl I heard Gratzer in an interview and intend to read his book.Being a former Canadian physician gives his an insight from a different perspective.
    For a preview ;here is an op-ed he penned last month.
    http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Re...-51371957.html
  • Aug 7, 2009, 05:42 PM
    zippit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post

    If the Republicans as a group really wanted to KILL these programs, when the government opened the cash window, they wouldn't be in line.

    excon

    We all have to share

    Enjoy your security

    Lower taxes as of now
  • Aug 11, 2009, 02:38 PM
    galveston

    It's really nice to have someone else make your down payment for a new car!

    Not ethecal, but nice.

    Let's push for hydrogen technology.
  • Aug 11, 2009, 03:53 PM
    emmykb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    So should the taxpayor continue to subsidize the auto buying sector of the economy?

    With tax revenue down, can taxpayors of this and future generations continue to subsidize increasing government spending?

    Where does it end?

    Is owning a vehicle now a "right?"



    G&P


    I couldn't have said it better myself. I completely agree.

    The "gimme gimme gimme" mentality will lead us down a road that is far worse than the one we're on now, it already it. When healthcare, housing, automobiles are all rights - there is a HUGE problem. This is the government's underhanded way of enticing everyone to go green, at tax payer's expense. I do believe we need to take care of our environment, however, I don't believe using tax payer dollars like this is wise. There is talk of monitoring everyone's heating/cooling as well as enforcing laws so you can't sell your home unless it's "green". Where is our freedom? Where is our personal choice? I fear this administration. In 2012 I will say "I told you so". Just sayin'
  • Aug 11, 2009, 03:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by emmykb View Post
    There is talk

    Yup. Lots of that going on right now.
  • Aug 11, 2009, 04:34 PM
    emmykb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Yup. Lots of that going on right now.


    How incredibly mature of you. Do you have your head so far up your that you can't see what's truly going on? This administration is scary. I have disagreed, obviously, with presidents, senators, administrations but this is the first time I have ever been literally scared.

    Obama is not unicorns and ponies and green trees and the end all be all to a "better" America.

    I believe in smaller government, working hard for what you have, using Welfare/hand outs to rehabilitate people, liberty, the constitution and lower taxes. If that pisses you off and you want to retort with childish, impish remarks so be it. Perhaps open a book or do some research and come back with why you're so displeased with my comment. Until then, please refrain from typing to me.
  • Aug 11, 2009, 04:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by emmykb View Post
    Perhaps open a book or do some research and come back with why you're so displeased with my comment. Until then, please refrain from typing to me.

    I'm a registered Republican. I have done research. I have listened to other Republicans as well as Dems and have listened to middle-of-the-roaders. I read everything I can get my hands on, pro and con. I work in a public library. There IS a lot of scary talk going on now--talk by Republicans who have the facts all wrong and are twisting the truth. That's why I commented on your comment that "there's talk."

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