But she did have speech writers:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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But she did have speech writers:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
PostPartisan - Putting Words in Palin's Mouth
So What If Sarah Palin Used a Speechwriter? FOX Forum FOXNews.com
NK ;perhaps you should read liberal Camile Paglia's take on the debate from the left wing site you sourced earlier .
Camille Paglia on Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and more | Salon
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Although nothing will sway my vote for Obama, I continue to enjoy Sarah Palin's performance on the national stage. During her vice-presidential debate last week with Joe Biden (whose conspiratorial smiles with moderator Gwen Ifill were outrageous and condescending toward his opponent), I laughed heartily at Palin's digs and slams and marveled at the way she slowly took over the entire event. I was sorry when it ended! But Biden wasn't -- judging by his Gore-like sighs and his slow sinking like a punctured blimp.
Good for Camille! She picked a winner!
Here's my take on what Palin is planning:
She is going to spend the next 6-12 months on the talking circuit. This will give her a certain amount of wealth and will keep her in the political spotlight in the appropriate circles.
She will then run for the Alaskan Senate Seat that is up for grabs in 2010. After she wins that seat (and she will), she will be appointed to at least one foreign policy committee. One of the biggest complaints about her in the media was her lack of foreign policy experience. A seat on a foreign policy committee will cure that lack.
She will then consider her options. If she has the support and the money, she'll make a run for the presidency in 2012. If not, she'll wait it out and make a run in 2016.
Either way, giving up the governorship now puts her in a position to run for the senate seat. It's actually a brilliant move. She will come to any run for the Presidency with a resume that is stronger than Obama's. She will have Gubenatorial and Mayoral (executive) experience, Senate experience (which will be equal to or more than the amount that Obama had during his run for the Presidency), she will have speechmaking experience (which will polish her already strong speaking skills), she will have a history as a budget cutter, and she will have experience having sat on the hot seat already.
By that time, given the direction things are going right now, Obama's popularity and that of the Democrats will be in the crapper. Dems will be seen as the tax and spenders they are, Obama will be blamed for the massive budget deficits we haven't seen yet, the increasing unemployment rates, nationalization of private industry, etc. Dems will not be able to defend against these charges because they will clearly have been the cause of these things.
Conservatives and Republicans, being on the outside right now, and lacking control of any part of the government right now, will be able to rightfully deny being a part of it. The right will become ascendent again. And Palin will be perfectly positioned for a run for the Presidency.
That is my prediction.
All of you fools who argue that Palin is "running away" or is "a quitter" are in for the shock of your lives. She's not running away from anything. She's going to go head to head with the media and the political powers that be on HER TERMS. She's following Sun Tzu and Musashi... she's choosing her own ground on which to fight. And none of you even see it coming.
Elliot
Hello again, El:Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
I think you're right. She IS laying the foundation for a run at the presidency. I think she'll lose, though. One of the primary reasons, however, won't be her dumbness. It'll be having left the Alaska voters in the lurch.
She has a history of quitting. It's going to bite her.
excon
We'll just have to wait and see. She may win, she may lose. Either way, what she's doing now is BRILLIANT politics in terms of setting up her future.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I seem to remember Richard Nixon getting elected to the Presidency after quitting. "After today, you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore." "Quitting" didn't hurt him all that much in his run for President.
I could be wrong about whether it will hurt her. But as for what her plan is... that seems simple enough to figure out.
Elliot
Well if she isn't smart or politically savvy enough to do what's necessary NOT to appear dumb, then well unfortunately she's even dumber than she appeared. And that was DUMB!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Honestly, you guys talk about the apparent damage Obama has done to your image / reputation around the world. You say he is a laughing stock amongst the worlds leaders. You're wrong of course. But let me assure you that if this women was elected to any sort of position of power than it'd be more than just funny... People are already laughing that she got as far as she did.
You guys should be better than her. You, Steve and Elliot are smart guys. A lot smarter than her. I reckon you guys should be insulted she got as far as she did.
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Hello Skell:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
I don't know. I guess when you drink the koolaid, even dumb people look smarter than you.
excon
Come on ex, I don't drink the koolaid... but even if I'm not wholeheartedly behind the ticket it darn sure beat the alternative. You think I'm going to let you see me sweat when I know how much more the other guy is going to screw things up? I think you've already called the new guy a dufus yourself, am I right?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Skell, in spite of what I just told ex I know you're a smart guy too and can surely recognize the unmitigated hell she was put through. Much of her reputation is not deserved, any fair-minded person should be able to admit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
She had it tough. No doubt. But a lot of that probably stems from the fact that she wasn't and isn't up to it.
I don't claim that everything that was said about her was fair, or even right. But the important stuff was.
She exhibited a higher degree of success as an executive than the current President has shown. Remember ;she was selected as a VP candidate ,not President . I think she would easily show equal ability at that job as the current occupant of the position... a man who had a life time appointment to public office had he chosen to remain in the Senate but was almost by consensus the dumbest man in the Senate.
The Democrats just put comic Al Franken in the Senate .I note that he barely found the mens room before they gave him a key appointment in the Judiciary committee which will decide if an affirmative action recipient (who by her own admission would not be where she is without the boost because her grades didn't cut it) is qualified for the highest court in the land . So let's not suggest that they are concerned about the qualifications of their candidates .
Dear sir, McCain is a hero! You should not besmirch him!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
There are many people in the Senate who needs a boot ;McCain included. But this comment is not about him because in no way is he the dumbest . Now that Biden is out perhaps Harry Reid claims the mantle although he will have strong competition with Franken.
You mean the new Senator from Minnesota and newest member of the Judiciary Committee? That Franken?
Hello tom:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Yeah, them actors. They should stick to Hollyweird.
excon
Sarah is the dumbest person in the Senate?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement
Go Sarah!Quote:
Enter now Sarah Palin with very encouraging comments that lead one to believe that she is indeed planning to do what she must: build an independent conservative movement and take this nation back from the liberals which now control both parties.Thanks liberals, for provoking Sarah into the national scene while vetting that family at the same time.
And go she is, she's going on the offensive...
The 'Cap And Tax' Dead End
By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Tammy Bruce is dreaming . Short of a complete destruction of the Republican party being replaced by a conservative party; 3rd party efforts always have and always will lead to an unintended outcome at the ballot box in the United States.
I don't mind schmoozing with and recruiting Blue Dog Dems. ;that's what worked for Reagan. But an independent conservative movement is pie in the sky thinking .
There were some in the "progressive movement " that openly talked the same way after 2004 . Lucky for them that never seriously materialized or there would be President McCain today.
Baseball Crank documents much of the extreme nature of the war against Palin and her family. How would you do in the face of such vile attacks?
No one invented a pregnant teenager. No one forced Levi and her to get engaged and kill the engagement. No one forced Bristol to go on Fox News to say that "abstinence is not realistic" and then goes out on the interview circuit. They are the makers of their own news. Now she's a quitter.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I think you pointed to the EXACT reason why she skedaddled. What she did, was succumb to those attacks. And she wasn't able to distinguish between the attacks that she SHOULD respond to, and those she shouldn't. So, she engaged them all. In a nutshell, her skin was too thin.
The Letterman thing was a good example. He wronged her. She noticed. He apologized. She ran it into the ground. Troopergate?? Another example of her inability to distinguish a PERSONAL war from a war that a governor should get into. She was at war with her own party in her own legislature over petty crap, too.
Bottom line? She can't govern, and I think she knows it.
excon
Did you read the link? I think not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Rumors.Quote:
The most egregious example was posted on Daily Kos on Sept. 12, 2008 by Paul Lewis Hackett III, a trial lawyer and U.S. Marine Corps veteran of Iraq, who ran in 2005 for a vacant seat in the House from Ohio's second congressional district, losing narrowly in a district President Bush had carried easily just a year earlier.
Fretting that the Obama campaign was going to lose Ohio to McCain, Hackett proposed his own solution: A series of savage attacks on the GOP ticket focusing on Sarah Palin and her family. Here is what he wrote:
The message (would be) simple and the professionals can refine it but essentially it should contain these elements: Sarah Palin? Can't keep her solemn oath of devotion to her husband and had sex with his employee. Sarah Palin? Accidentally got pregnant at age 43 and the tax payers of Alaska have to pay for the care of her disabled child. Sarah Palin? Unable to teach her 16 year old daughter right from wrong and now another teenager is pregnant. Sarah Palin? Can you trust Sarah Palin and her values with America's future?
Palin brought all this on herself, right?Quote:
A public figure openly called for Palin to be raped during the campaign. Months after the losing campaign was over, a major comedian joked about the fictitious rape of one of her daughters. Immediately after the election, her church was burned. It's fairly difficult to reconcile this 'heat' as something conventional in politics. In fact, there might be some good reason to collectively indict Palin critics for their silent complicity.
All Palin, she made her own news here.Quote:
In the midst of the election season, Mrs. Palin's personal e-mail account was hacked by the son of a Democratic Tennessee representative.
What exactly did Sarah do to prompt the Trig conspiracy?Quote:
Also, it's important to remember why the Palin family even acknowledged Bristol's pregnancy: Because a thousand "liberal" Web sites, led by Daily Kos, the favored site of leftist Democrats, filled cyberspace with off-the-wall theories that Trig Palin was really Bristol's child and that Sarah had faked her own pregnancy. This was truly ugly territory, and nutty besides. It's not terribly different from the Obama-is-a-secret-Muslim-not-born-in-this-country stuff, with one crucial distinction: The Obama Muslim stuff was either debunked or ignored by the media --not the conspiracy theories about Trig Palin's birth. In some quarters of the evolving new media - The Huffington Post and Bill Maher's HBO program, to name two - the Palin pregnancy hoax was repeated. Some traditional outlets, including Vanity Fair and, most inexplicably, The Atlantic blog written by Andrew Sullivan, kept hammering away at it after it was proven false by photographic evidence and by Bristol's own pregnancy.
Do you, NK, have the integrity to admit these and many other attacks had nothing to do with the Palins being "makers of their own news," or are you going to insist - in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - that she brought every bit of this on herself?
Will you have the integrity to admit that Obama suffered through attacks (muslim, not born here, terrorist, anti-american) and has nothing to do with him making his own news? Oh by the way, Obama didn't quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Ex this isn't news to me, as soon as I read it in the paper I said to my wife "who can blame her?" It wasn't JUST her being attacked, her FAMILY was relentlessly attacked including some of the most vile, despicable, inexcusable hatred concerning her disabled infant. If it were me I would protect my family from such bullsh*t, too, even if it meant being called a quitter. I'd rather be called a quitter than subject my family to that kind of inexcusable crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
And when you quit, the crap will end? Or it will take on a whole new flavor?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I would rather deal with the crap with honor and integrity. (Of course, I would have to have honor and integrity to begin with... )
I will agree with your assessment if she lives out her career out of the spotlight. Do you think that's what's happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
As if I haven't already? As if I haven't defended him against such spurious charges? I have indeed, NK, and I'll do so again. I have more than enough fodder for criticism without resorting to idiotic charges that he's a secretly a Muslim or wonder about his birth certificate. Now what about you?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
P.S. Why should Obama have quit, the media and blogosphere did a damn fine job of extolling his virtues and defending his weaknesses. It's easy when the media is in the tank FOR you instead of piling on.
Hello again, Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I want my president to have thick skin. Sarah Palin doesn't. It's GOOD to find out now.
One thing you can say about the dufus, is his skin musta been 4" thick. HE wasn't influenced by an angry press. Everybody hated him. Didn't stop him. He didn't engage every little thing - well except the for Valorie Plame thing. But, he didn't do it much.
excon
I don't think he was aware that everyone hated him. He was wrapped in a cocoon while he was prez.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
All one has to do is watch Fox News for continual attacks on the president.
That's nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
He even said that himself -- refused to listen to anyone other than trusted lackeys.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
P Lease Wondergirl, explain - in factual detail - how she didn't deal with the crap with honor and integrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
She's not your president so you don't have to worry about that. Still, would you continue to subject your family to the crap she endured?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Perhaps if the major media was attacking his daughters like the bloggers were then President Bush would not have been so thin skinned.
You see ;it is the open season on the Palin kids that has been to date the exception rather than the rule. There was a time when public servants children were out of bounds.
And all you have to do is come here for continual attacks on Palin... and Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
My assessment has nothing to do with whether you have the integrity to acknowledge you were wrong about the Palins being the "makers of their own news."Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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