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Poor Elliott. He will be horrified at what happened to his thread. (Sorry, ET!)

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was, and I accept your apology (and I apologize that you were misled). If my typing gives you the wrong impression, it's better I don't post in the same threads as you.

I did not mean for it to turn nasty! :(

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Originally Posted by scott_1976

I did not mean for it to turn nasty! :(

Okay, then let's be friends and continue to enjoy this site.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Okay, then let's be friends and continue to enjoy this site.

Sounds good :o

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I can tell.

I got to say... you're good!:cool:

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Originally Posted by cozyk

i gotta say....you're good!:cool:

I larnt it all watchin' you, babe!

Now, back to that Sotomayor girl. Isn't she something!!

Obama is enamored with the personal narrative and group identity politics . That much is clear. She has a compelling personal narrative no doubt about it. So did Justice Thomas and that did not exempt him from challenges to his nomination both reasonable and unreasonable. In fact there are many people in the country who share her personal and family "Horatio Alger " story. We celebrate it .That is what Americans routinely had in common in the days when we believed in the "melting pot".

She needs to be evaluated on her experience ,her judicial philosophy,her temperament ,and job performance . Senators who interview her must not shy away from the tough scrutiny that a life-time appointment merits. And, they should not walk on egg shells and skip legitimate issues for fear of offending "groups " of electorate . Nor should they vote for or against her based on which "groups" the bean counters think she represents.

(I defer to our resident language expert in advance for any grammatical or spelling errors)

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Obama is enamored with the personal narrative and group identity politics .

You mean like McCain and Joe the Plumber?

As usual your snipe from the cheap seats is irrelevant and wrong. McCain led the fight for immigration reform in the Senate in opposition to many in the Republican party.
Joe the Plumber ? Did I miss something ? When was he appointed to any position of importance ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

As usual your snipe from the cheap seats is irrelevent and wrong. McCain led the fight for immigration reform in the Senate in opposition to many in the Republican party.
Joe the Plumber ? Did I miss something ? When was he appointed to any position of importance ?

Irrelavent? Does it not show that a Republican is also "is enamored with the personal narrative and group identity politics"? Yes I think it does.

Huh ? Joe the plumber asked Obama about taxes and then got smeared by the Democrats . I don't know what group he supposedly represents besides the American worker concerned about the amt. of taxes being taken from his paycheck.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

huh ? Joe the plumber asked Obama about taxes and then got smeared by the Democrats . I don't know what group he supposedly represents besides the American worker concerned about the amt. of taxes being taken from his paycheck.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

You may have a dictionary, but I, like Ms. Sotomayor, have life experience. We disabled people tend to overcompensate and favor the afflicted side. She will definitely lean to the right as she walks, climbs stairs, and brandishes her cane or crutches.

Hey, you started with the corrections. I doubt if she uses a cane, probably a walking boot in which case she will lean to the left.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Lol I believe this about says it all. And wish I had a penny for every time Sarah Palin referred to him. He was her mascot. He and Joe Six Pack:p

Whatever you posted I will see it tonight when I am back at my home computer. I still suspect it has nothing to do with the op about Justice Sotomayor.

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Originally Posted by cozyk

lol I believe this about says it all. And wish I had a penny for every time Sarah Palin referred to him. He was her mascot. He and Joe Six Pack:p

You must have missed this part, "and then got smeared by the Democrats." That's what the left always does when the little guy, the black, the Hispanic, the woman - whatever aggrieved group they supposedly represent - doesn't toe the liberal line. Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, Miguel Estrada and Janice Rogers Brown come to mind. And somehow they get away with it.

Two examples, the first is right here in that you folks are mocking Republicans coming to the defense of Joe the Plumber, an ordinary guy who simply had the audacity to ask The One a question. The second, Obama in Egypt speaking of women's rights in the Islamic world while telling us we need to respect their belief that their women must be confined to the hijab. Were you defending Joe the Plumber then or now? Are you going to protest Obama's two-faced approach to women's rights in the Muslim world?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You must have missed this part, "and then got smeared by the Democrats."

You mean like your opposition to Sotomayor? Why do you think you are on a different plane of existence?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You mean like your opposition to Sotomayor? Why do you think you are on a different plane of existence?

NK, once again your point might be relevant if I were guilty of smearing Sotomayor. Opposition is not the same as smearing. Questioning her qualifications, her previous comments and her record as a judge is not the same as smearing. That is not only reasonable it should be expected. I'm not the one here who's "plane of existence" should be questioned.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

.. if I were guilty of smearing Sotomayor. Opposition is not the same as smearing.

Who here smeared Joe the Plumber? You were talking about "the left" and I'm talking about "the right".
The Liberal Curmudgeon: Right-Wing Commentators Start Smearing Sotomayor
Smearing Sotomayor - Joan Walsh - Salon.com
Conservatives react to historic Supreme Court nominee by smearing Sotomayor as "racist," "bigot" | Media Matters for America

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Who here smeared Joe the Plumber? You were talking about "the left" and I'm talking about "the right".
The Liberal Curmudgeon: Right-Wing Commentators Start Smearing Sotomayor
Smearing Sotomayor - Joan Walsh - Salon.com
Conservatives react to historic Supreme Court nominee by smearing Sotomayor as "racist," "bigot" | Media Matters for America

NK, I said you guys were "mocking Republicans coming to the defense of Joe the Plumber," not smearing him. You might read before reacting, even your own words when you equated my "opposition to Sotomayor" with the smear tactics of the left. I haven't smeared her and your links to what others say has no bearing on what I've said about her.

I don't know why you keep trying to make us look foolish, it always backfires on you. Perhaps you enjoy wearing egg on your face.

The smear tactics of the left, the smear tactics of the right, is there really any difference?

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Originally Posted by ETWolverine

If only I was a

Latina woman, but I'm only a guy I certainly don't have the ability to make decisions with the same level of ability and empathy as Judge Sonia Sotomayor.

Hello El:

Nahhh, El. You're not just a guy. You're a JEW. I don't know why, but JEWS are endowed with the ability and empathy to understand the law better than any other group. That's just so. You know it, and I know it.

So, if JEWS can do it, why not another group?

You're a historian. You're going to tell me that JEWS know more about the law because of something that happened in our background. Kind of like we're good with money, because that's what we were relegated to... So, if JEWS can be good with money because of something that JEWS experienced, why can't Latinos be good or better at something than a member of a group who HASN'T experienced the same stuff they have??

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The smear tactics of the left, the smear tactics of the right, is there really any difference?

I commented on smears and you smeared me personally, so you tell me.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I commented on smears and you smeared me personally, so you tell me.

Oh dear Steve-O, you're making stuff up again. Log off and enjoy life away from the computer.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Oh dear Steve-O, you're making stuff up again. Log off and enjoy life away from the computer.

NK, try being relevant to the discussion for a change.

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What a trooper! "Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor broke her ankle Monday morning in an airport stumble, then boarded her flight to Washington as scheduled and made the roughly hourlong trip to Washington to meet with senators who will vote on her confirmation. She even stopped at the White House Monday after her arrival in Washington, before heading to a local medical office for an x-ray. She will keep her six appointments with senators despite the injury." (AP)

Remember what happened to Gwen Ifill when she started getting heat about her book and if she should be the moderator of the VP debate ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Remember what happened to Gwen Ifill when she started getting heat about her book and if she should be the moderator of the VP debate ?

I do! It all ended being all for nought. She did a fine job.

I was talking about her breaking her ankle .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I was talking about her breaking her ankle .

Like "break a leg," said before a play? Yes, Gwen did a great job!

Yeah some trooper... coincidence ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah some trooper ....coincidence ?

Just a happy one.

Everybody here has been reduced to playground tactics. You lose your leg to stand on when you keep going with this stuff. MY dad can beat up your dad" No my dad can beat up YOUR dad"

Let's all take a minute and grow up again.
Now, Excon, I am usually in agreement with you but your JEW post was over the line. At least for me, maybe not for you.

Painting any group of people with one color is detrimental to any progress to be made. And shouldn't that be the goal? The common interest. It's fun to debate, but we have left the real debate long ago. Now we are just throwing punches.

Jews can talk that way to each other . Elliot will not be offended .

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It's fun to debate, but we have left the real debate long ago.

This morning I added my 2 cents to the op (#48 ) and have yet to get a serious reply .

Hello again, c:

I wasn't being intentionally offensive and I wasn't hurling stones either. I BELIEVE what I said in my post.

What limited knowledge I have about my own history pails in comparison to Elliot. What I DO know, is that in ancient days, the handling of money was considered distasteful. It was left to the underclass to deal with - the JEWS. In those days money was called "filthy lucre" - having to do with the devil, no doubt.

Nonetheless, the JEWS learned their craft well. The banking industry was started by and is to this day run by the Jews.

The JEWS were relegated to the handling of diamonds too. Today, if you want a diamond in the US, it came through a JEW.

Wouldn't a JEW be a better person to interpret banking laws or diamond industry decisions?? He WOULD, indeed.

Therefore, a person with Sotomayor's background IS better suited to deal with certain decisions than old white men would be. It cannot be denied, although the right thinks it can, even when their own guy, Samuel Alito said virtually the same stuff, and the righty's didn't bat an eye.

excon

That is why she needs more scrutiny . Alito never once suggested that he could make "better decisions" than another group because of his experiences or his groups experiences. I think the groups experiences are irrelevant . I think it is the individual making the call that matters and I think their experience should not trump the law.

Obama thinks so highly of this empathy thing that Alito is supposed to have. But as a Senator he did not vote to confirm him even though he admitted Alito was qualified .

But Obama doesn't think very highly of the Constitution . He addressed this in comments about the Warren Court. He said the Warren Court as liberal as it was did not go far enough because it did not take economic factors like radical redistribution into consideration.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, c:

I wasn't being intentionally offensive and I wasn't hurling stones either. I BELIEVE what I said in my post.

What limited knowledge I have about my own history pails in comparison to Elliot. What I DO know, is that in ancient days, the handling of money was considered distasteful. It was left to the underclass to deal with - the JEWS. In those days money was called "filthy lucre" - having to do with the devil, no doubt.

Nonetheless, the JEWS learned their craft well. The banking industry was started by and is to this day run by the Jews.

The JEWS were relegated to the handling of diamonds too. Today, if you want a diamond in the US, it came through a JEW.

Wouldn't a JEW be a better person to interpret banking laws or diamond industry decisions??? He WOULD, indeed.

Therefore, a person with Sotomayor's background IS better suited to deal with certain decisions than old white men would be. It cannot be denied, although the right thinks it can, even when their own guy, Samuel Alito said virtually the same stuff, and the righty's didn't bat an eye.

excon

I see where you are coming from. I'm feeling better, thank you.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

But Obama doesn't think very highly of the Constitution . He addressed this in comments about the Warren Court. He said the Warren Court as liberal as it was did not go far enough because it did not take economic factors like radical redistribution into consideration.

More misdirection:
Scarborough falsely claimed Obama said the Warren Court was "not, quote, 'radical enough' " | Media Matters for America

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Joe Scarborough falsely claimed that, during a 2001 radio interview, Sen. Barack Obama said that "the Warren Court was not, quote, 'radical enough.' " In fact, Obama didn't say the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren was not "radical enough." Scarborough also falsely claimed that during the interview Obama said "the Warren Court did not go far enough, that actually one of the great tragedies was there was no redistribution of wealth." In fact, the "traged[y]" Obama identified during the interview was that the civil rights movement relied too much on the courts in its efforts to bring about political and economic justice.

It is on video tape.

Hey righties, you got to find another fault. That one statement has been beat to death. As I said once before, what else you got?