Show me these laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
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Show me these laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Hello again, El
Yeah, those damn liberals...
But, you eat breakfast in the morning knowing your food is safe because some damn liberal made sure it was. You breath clean air because some damn liberal cares about you. You drive a safe car because some damn liberal made it so. You fill your tank in a SAFE environment with hoses that have been inspected by the government, because some liberal wanted to make sure you didn't burn up when you fill up. You wear clothes that were NOT made in sweat shops because some damn liberal cares about children. You don't have to worry about your golden years because some damn liberal gave you a safety net. You don't have to worry about going broke because of health costs when you get older, because some damn liberal worried about you.
I could go on and on, but it would be lost on you.
excon
Nope, he's pro-abortion. You can't call it anything else if you oppose giving rights to a child that survives an abortion procedure.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Actually, if you go through "fly-over" country, you will find that many people of your genberation DO think like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
First of all, perhaps your wife should meet Chris Mathews... he get's chills running up and down his legs too.Quote:
I'll put it this way my wife who is not politcal at all. Watched both the conventions because welll she really didn't have a choice because I wanted to watch them. When they scanned the GOP's crowd she begged me to turn it off because the people in the crowd gave her a chill up her spine like she was watching a horror movie. Again your base scares my generation away.
Second, "your generation" mostly doesn't vote. So who cares if they are scared away. Besides, as "your generation" get older, they seem to grow into the GOP. Having all your hard-earned money taken from you for decades tends to move you to the right over time.
My brother, who is of "your generation" (30 years old, 10 years younger than me) used to be a flaming liberal. Then he began working and watched a) the unions in action in his profession, b) the whiners who leach off the public troth, and c) his paycheck cut in half, and suddenly he wasn't quite so liberal anymore. Oh, to be sure he's to the left of me (most people are). But he's no lib anymore, at least not on most issues.
You know the old saying: Those who aren't liberals when they are young have no heart. Those aren't conservative when they get older have no brain. (I never had a heart.)
The point is that you and your wife will likely start seeing more and more comonality with the GOP as the years pass. There's a reason that the GOP is seen as being made up of "old white men". To a degree it's true. Older people tend to be frustrated by how little they still have of what they have earned after working for so long, which puts them in line with the GOP. Those old white guys start seeming much less scary over time.
Elliot
Speech I'm not saying she is right. What I am saying is she perceives people from the republican party as scary. She did not single out Texas I am sure she had no clue what state those people were from. Hell they could have been from right here in PA.
Her almost exact words were please turn this off these women they look like jesus freaks step ford wife's and it is creeping me out. See that is how your party is perceived. And we all know perception is reality.
My question to you is why do YOU SPEECH keep making this about North and South? When that has Nothing at all to do with this.
El I think this election proves my generation votes.
Matthews got a good chill, My wife got a scared chill. There is a difference.
Interesting. My grandparents used to butcher their own food in the old country... no FDA at work there. They never seemed to need government intervention to get by. And when the government DID intervene in their lives... well, they ended up with numbers tattooed on their wrists.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
No, I breath clean air because COMPANIES started imposing their own environmental standards in order to meet customer needs and concerns... not because of anything the government did. The government can't correct problems. They can only create legislation and file lawsuits. The COMPANIES correct the problems.Quote:
You breath clean air because some damn liberal cares about you.
No, I drive a safe car because FORD manufactured a safe car. The government can't manufacture anything. The only thing they can manufacture are regulations. Regulations don't DO anything except make life miserable.Quote:
You drive a safe car because some damn liberal made it so.
Gee, the fact that the filling station didn't want to burn down it's real estate and it's fuel inventory didn't have anything to do with that. Again, the government can't fix anything. They can only make regulations.Quote:
You fill your tank in a SAFE environment with hoses that have been inspected by the government, because some liberal wanted to make sure you didn't burn up when you fill up.
Yep. And in assuring that, the government probably consigned some family to starvation because little Timmy couldn't bring home enough money to pay for food for the family because he's too young to work and his older brother Jimmy is too expensive to employ. Great going.Quote:
You wear clothes that were NOT made in sweat shops because some damn liberal cares about children.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Social Security Trust Fund is bankrupt. The US GOVERNMENT is now bankrupt thanks to a $3 trillion + spending spree by the Obama Administration and the Liberal Congress. THERE IS NO SAFETY NET!!Quote:
You don't have to worry about your golden years because some damn liberal gave you a safety net.
Yep. I won't have to worry about paying for medicines or procedures that some pencil-pusher decides I don't qualify for and won't be able to get on my own. So I'll end up dead long before I have to spend any money. The death tax, however, is going to screw up my kids' finances.Quote:
You don't have to worry about going broke because of health costs when you get older, because some damn liberal worried about you.
It isn't lost on me. I see it for what it is, not for the utopia you want it to be.Quote:
I could go on and on, but it would be lost on you.
Excon
Elliot
Ex, for such smart man you can make some of the darndest comments.
Like those about the right wing laws.
Extreme right is anarchy, so there are NO laws from the far right.
So butcher your own food.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
It shows how pathetic your argument is when you have to conger up the nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
Same argument about the extreme left but that doesn't stop you does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
What kind of comment is this? I pointed out that there can be no laws from the extreme right, and you say there can be no laws from the extreme left?? Get real.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Actually, no it doesn't. In terms of demographics, the number of young voters (18-29) was roughly the same as in prior elections at 18% vs. 17% in 2004 and 2000 and 1996. There was no significant statistical difference in the "youth" vote. It is actually lower than in 1992 (20%) and 1988 (21%).Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
As for your wife and Mathews, they can start a 12-step group... Chills Anonymous. CA for short.
Elliot
Please post where you got these numbers from.
Oh and what you fail to recognize is my wife who is not political at all who knows nothing about the left and the right who had no idea if she was watching the DNC or RNC just looked at the screen and said these people are scary.
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Hello again, gal:Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
You're not wrong. You're just calling it the wrong thing. Anarchy isn't right or left. It's just an absence of law. It wouldn't be considered a libertarian because there's no freedom in chaos.
Our Constitutional republic, even in it's purest form, has laws. Are all laws left leaning? No. Do they limit freedom? Sure, but they create order where freedom can be enjoyed. There is no freedom in chaos.
But, if you're talking about a Ron Paul type of libertarian philosophy, it isn't right wing at all. In fact, it's the best of the left combined with the best of the right.
excon
It is not right or left .on a straight line graphic there is liberty at one end and tyranny at the other .
For 2008 info:Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Prior information:
US Presidential Elections
"How Groups Voted" sections within each election results.
Elliot
The CNN one won't show me anything for some reason.
It doesn't seem to show any other year but the latest election.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Yes. That's why I posted TWO sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I don't always view perception as reality. I perceive liberals to be a bunch of damn fools but I know that's not always the case. Why does you wife perceive us that way, from experience or is that just the way we're presented?Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Where did I say anything about north and south? I used the Texas photo and my experience in this neck of the woods because that's where I live, no need to perceive anything more than that. I just stated a fact, we conservatives are good people, in Texas or in PA.Quote:
My question to you is why do YOU SPEECH keep making this about North and South? When that has Nothing at all to do with this.
Absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
To further your point, both ideologies have the potential for both results.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Speech you and I know perception isn't reality but there are millions upon millions of people who do. Just look at the ratings for American Idol it is perceived to be a good show but it is really garbage. Lame example I know but it popped in my head.
When She looked up for 5 seconds from her school work she just saw some crazy looking women with big hair and too much make up on with these big ole crucifix pins. To her that is scary. I don't know why it is but it is. If she would have watched the RNC like I did she would have seen people that looked like her. But when you get these little clips you make your own reality.
It was like the other day I pulled up in my hybrid and someone started to talk to me about how great it was that I care about the environment and how I was being green. I've said it a bunch of times on here that I didn't buy it cause I care about the environment I care about how much money I am saving on gas and how it wasn't that expensive. But since the perception is that everyone who drives a hybrid must care about the environment then I have to care also. Hell if the Insight cost as much as the Pirus, civic Hybrid, Fusion Hybrid I wouldn't have bought it. It is funny to see the look on their face when I explain that to them. It kind of crushes some hippies.
I'd almost pay to see you do that, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
It is funny! One person told me I don't deserve to drive a hybrid with that attitude. I just had to laugh
Misses a lot of this discussion...
I am not registered to a party either .But religion one way or another should not be a deciding factor . The truth is that civil society is glued together with a moral code regardless if some formal religion influences it or not. The phrase you can't legislate morality drives me nuts because all laws have a moral foundation . What is the lefts vaunted emphasis on fairness if it isn't trying to impose some kind of moral standard on the civil society ?Quote:
The thing that stops me from being a republican is the religious aspect of the party. It is such a turn off that I want nothing to do with it.
You don't "deserve to drive a hybrid?" I guess there's supposed to be some sort of ideological test for hybrid shoppers. Good for you though, if you can laugh at all that then you're an all right dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
You guys are all right too. Today was fun lets do it again tomorrow!
Hello spit:Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Better watch out. Having fun with a righwinger is like going hunting with vice. It's fun for a few minutes... then kablooee!
excon
LOL, one VP shoots a friend and we're all reckless maniacs.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
So the actions of one do not taint the whole, is that what you are saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
For Pete's sake! If Cheney had wanted to hurt him he sure wouldn't have used BIRD shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Are you implying I ever believed otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
No, of course not!!
I'd say he just spent one too many Thanksgivings with you in his ear telling him about the evils of liberals. Talk about torture.. :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ETWolverine
First, I never said it WOULD happpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Secondly, you are saying that I have no original thoughts. Don't you think that is presumptous of you?
2012 I doubt 2012 but I do believe he will be reelected and then do some of that by 2015-16
2012 is most probably going to be some, more than likely unusual or rare, natural disaster.
It's that Mayan calender thingy.
Yep that is what I'm guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I think Alan keyes gets the whole political picture better than anybody but when he tries going and making timelines he starts messing up. All I can say is leave the timelines to the psychics so they can be the ones that are wrong when it doesn't happen.
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