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HE means to shut everyone up: "You've got some economists and some folks who think they're economists. By the way, these days everybody thinks they're economists," he joked." Obama bemoans: Everyone's an economist
He's right of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
Thus spake the LEADER: '"These (unemployment) numbers demand action. It is inexcusable and irresponsible for any of us to get bogged down in distraction, delay or politics as usual while millions of Americans are being put out of work," Obama said bluntly. "Now is the time for Congress to act."' Damn that constitution! Damn those Senate and House rules, at least the ones we can't overlook!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
"spake"? Isn't that old English Bible talk? You are a prophet for Obama? Is this what Jesus would do?Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
I think he meant "thus saith the One." I don't know what Jesus has to do with this but it doesn't take a prophet to copy and paste Obama's own words.
My favorite word he uses is "irreversible " . He says unless the bucketlist is passed the recession might prove irreversible (more politics of fear).What is that supposed to mean ? Even the Great Depression was reversible .
What he means is that once he expands govt. spending it will be almost irreversible . The Dems will never shrink the size of gvt on their own accord.
It's the same demagogery being spun by the radical global environmentalists.
I checked your link and at no point do they say "thus saith the One" which sounds like someone reading from some old religious book. Where did you get that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Think about it NK. You're sharp enough to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And as of this morning, the stimulus package, all one trillion dollars of it has only a 38% approval rating of the people and Mr nobama has slipped to 61%
We'll talk again when he hits 35%
I wonder what the supposed libertarians think of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
When will they get to pro - athelete or actor / actresses, or TV star [ oprah? ] salaries.
Remember, all you folks waiting for the politicians to save you, they know best and they know and want to control how much you make.
G&P
I wonder, really, who Obama thinks will eventually pay this incomprehensible amount of money.
Judging by his recent appointments, the Democrats DON'T BELIEVE IN PAYING TAXES!!
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Originally Posted by George_1950
Forty-two percent of the stimulus includes tax cuts. Now you'd think that would make the Pubs happy, but not so. What they want to do is argue and fight and continue to show total disregard for the middle and lower classes, which by the way, have been suffering the most for the past eight years. McCain is so lost on the Senate floor that he is often befuddled, confused, and Cheney like. G-d help the U.S. if we continue to elect these old uneducated goats.
There is less infrastructure spending on this bill than was used in Boston's Big Dig.
Leave it to the Senate to come up with a" bipartisan compromise " where they claim they trimmed $50 billion from the legistation and it still costs more than the bill that came out of the House . The "deliberative body" at it's best!!
This site breaks down some of the projects ;their costs ,and how stimulating they will be regarding job creation.
Stimulus Watch: Keeping an Eye on Economic Recovery Spending
As you can see there is plenty of room for trimming garbage out of it. There is a rush to get this done so Obama can have a photo-op signing it on Lincoln's birthday.That is a poor rational for passing bad legislation .
The lies about the urgency have got to go. Most of the provisions in the bill should be added and debated in the regular omnibus spending legislation. Get the pork out of the bill and I will have no trouble supporting it.
I don't see where it will stimulate any economy or anything.
It looks like it mainly helps people working for the government jobs.
I don't see where it creates jobs for the average unemployed people.
I heard that much of the money will also go to George Sorros ACCORN,
The National Endowment for the Arts, STD education, food stamps,
I agree with Galveston this will backfire when it has to be funded.
I heard New York had to lay off 14,000 school teachers in order to compensate for their 'overspending'
Where is the money going to come from in the long run without hurting the economy in other areas?
It is worse than robbing Peter to pay Paul!
Um, doorbells?Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The DEMS have to nurse the PUBS into acceptance. That's not an easy task. They were Bushed for the past eight years and are now showing signs of failure dependency. I mean the PUBS balked at newer bridges and renovations to historic sites, any meaningful infrastructure, so hey! now the elderly will have a bell to ring every time an angel gets his wings. ;)
"Nursing" my arse, this bill is crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Today on Quinn & Rose they were talking about something even more scary hidden in the stimulus. They said that hidden in the "free" medical plan is a grid that determines IF THEY feel somebody should receive things like surgical procedures. If THEY feel that the amount outweighs your life expectancy then you do not qualify for the operation.
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
A lot of bills are crap. Welcome to America. Greasing somebody's palm shouldn't be any surprise. I suspect you saw the last five seconds before halftime of the Super Bowl. Anytime loads of lettuce is involved things can happen. The PUBS do so for top percentage wage earners and the DEMS will throw money at anything. There's no revelation here.
So you're FOR the crap. That's no revelation either, Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Speaking of feces: "Republicans have caught the Democrats in a midnight “stimulus” power play that seeks to cut Republican conferees out of the House-Senate negotiations to resolve a final version of the Obama “stimulus” package. Staff members from the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) met last night to put together the “stimulus” conference report."
Republicans Shut Out of Stimulus Conference Negotiations - HUMAN EVENTS
Hello George:
It was Obama who talked about bi-partisanship - not the congress. I know, it's a drag to be shut out...
But, your presidential candidate, John McCain, admitted on camera that shutting out the opposition WAS the way THEY did it when THEY were in control. And, of course, that's exactly what they DID. So, you'll excuse me if I don't take your wounded outrage too seriously...
But, I reiterate... That lefty Pelosi never promised bi-partisanship, and she ain't delivering it either...
Like I said, being shut out sucks... Maybe if you had won enough votes to make your party MATTER, but you didn't, did you?
excon
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Stephen B. Quickdraw, your so fast to react off the cuff. Your wife deserves a gold medal for having the patience to put up with your bloated heat. Most of the adult voting public already knows the stimulus package needs to focus on meat and cut the fat! Especially the bad cholestrol fat, example: doorbell bills. The fact is though we need to stimulate the economy, or suffer the consequnces by passively watching more people head to the unemployment line. I recognize WE are going to get some fat, both from the Pubs and Dems, just with a different approach of excuses that will effect certain classes. At times your way to narrow minded for me, nothing personal though.
Bobby, leave my wife out of this. Perhaps if I hadn't been familiar with your politics already it might be "off the cuff," but since I am familiar I find it fascinating that you would be so willing to justify whatever crap the Dems throw our way. I'm sure if this crap were coming from Bush your tone would be entirely different. I on the other hand am not willing to just throw up my arms and say "oh, what the hell, we're going to crap anyway so let's bring on the Generational Theft Act of 2009." I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Please name just one example where government has EVER been able to stimulate anything? Except maybe it's own over inflated ego.
If the government really really wanted to stimulate the economy, why not cut taxes for a year? Or how about getting out of the way of business so they could actually conduct business?
Whether people ant to admit or not, it was tax cuts that got us out of the last mess that the carter administration got us into. Yes, both sides have equal blame for the mess we are in now. It was not just one man, it was the entire Congress, BOTH HOUSES made this mess, and now they are ramming more of the same down the throats of us all. Who is going to pay for this? Our children and their children sadly.
Stimulus? Provide funds for banks to lend? What if Obama and crew have yelled "wolf" so loudly and long that potential home buyers are AFRAID to buy at this time? How do you correct this? The increase in unemployment began just after the election. The left has scared too many people into survival mode. Of course, those on the public dole are not scared. Probably because they do not understand!
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Mr. Hot-Head, she has to live with you, I don't. You're not going to cut all the fat on the Hill, they simply see it as negotiations, although regardles that it's at our expense. I'm speaking about both parties. BTW theft didn't bother you enough to stop voting for Bush, TWICE! And YES, at times, you are narrow minded.
Call me (incorrectly as it is) what you like, but I don't drag your family into this so leave my wife out of it. Nobody said "cut all the fat," but I know a horrible bill when I see one and this is about as horrible as they come. Considering the alternative, I no qualms about my votes... especially seeing how the Dems are screwing things up so badly so quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Screwed up what so quickly? If you're trying to make a case for the PUBS to return to power with the many seats they've lost, forget it. I'm still laughing at their stubbornness and demise. If anything they will continue to wallow in their uneducated drivel, their unhealthy biases, and then sink even further. The pendulum is swinging the other direction and not necessarily to my satisfaction either. But I find it very typical of you and few others to gum the board to death without any provocative solutions.
I guess you missed this. The public thinks random people picked out of a phone book could do a better job on the economy than this congress, so you be the big man and convince them how great a job they're doing and how wonderful this "provocative" spending bill is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
And where was your solution?? Are you really this boring all the time? Please! If I could send had sent Pelosi and GW Bush on a one way ticket into deep space, I'd done so years ago. In fact it should be a large enough shuttle to accommodate most of the DEM and PUB elected congress.
WHAT?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Gee Bobby, I never claimed to be an economist, why the heck should I offer the solution? That makes as much sense as asking this congress, Obama, his tax cheats and those administration officials that were laughed at to come up with a solution. Would you want your plumber to do your next colonoscopy? I’m guessing not because even though you aren’t a gastroenterologist you probably know that wouldn’t be a good idea. I may not be an economist but I know a truly horrible “solution” when I see one.
NO you don't. You voted for GW Bush a second time. And you voted for John McCain even after the senile old windbag admitted that economics was not his strong suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
If you'd pull your head out for a minute you might actually be able to comprehend. I never claimed Bush or McCain were the solution to anything. In fact, unlike the clueless Democrat constituency that's so blindly in love with Obama I don't put ANY hope in government. But they did and this is the pathetic mess they're getting for it and they deserve it... but the rest of us don't and our kids and grandkids certainly don't deserve to have their future stolen from them by these idiots running the show now. Time will tell the story, and I fully expect to be vindicated for my opposition to this "stimulus" package.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
Actually I find your recent posts partisan in nature and laced with bias overtones. But mainly I find the k'vetching on this political forum to be boring, noneducational, nonproductive discussions, with few, if any solutions presented. I also see your position (and there are others here), on a personal trip with that "vindication" thing parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency. However since I don't spend much time on this site since the election, perhaps my view has been skewed from your finer works, if they exist. I've got to take my son to his cousins house for a birthday party. Nothing personal though. Say "bye."
Sadly, it seems that the same people who's positions don't change keep arguing over and over again. At times I wonder why I spend my energy here (and I expend much less than most in the political topics).Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
I would like to say, in the narrow window of my time at this site I have found that Speech is one of the few who can actually articulate, understand and even empathize with his opponents position while arguing what he thinks is right. As for the parroting, we all do it to some degree as our respective media information sources fill the dead space between the facts with opinion that we aren't always immune from.
I would like to say though that I finally get how disappointed and upset Bush supporters have been over the attacks on him; whether they were deserved or not, and I have been a harsh Bush critic. Now that my candidate is President, it's not easy to see him attacked by his opponents. I suppose some of the K'vetching on the part of the now loyal opposition is in part payback for the rough ride Bush had.
Anyway, most people need a place to get their thoughts out; what good are they doing if they are kept bottled up in your head... :D (I think we all hope that with enough talk we will change some minds; maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday; in part to affirm ourselves and to be able to say I told you so to one more person. The ego, such a greedy little bugger... lol.
LOL, seems you've become so enamored with insulting me in the past year that you don't actually know what I've said, like this extremely partisan, biased thought just a few posts ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
The world has definitely been turned upside down when opposing nonsense from either party is partisan and biased. It's especially interesting to see ardent Bush, McCain and "anyone who may have voted for them" bashers complain of the "k'vetching" around here. But if it all bores you then no one is asking you to stick around, we'll do just fine in keeping up the tradition of holding the powers that be accountable without you.Quote:
I'd be equally against this if the designation behind the bill was an R, but I guess that's too "narrow minded" for you.
And by the way, I didn't realize my ability to form my own opinion of an awful spending bill and use the word "vindication" without assistance was "parroting the talking heads in hoping Obama has a failed presidency." I know guys like you don't believe we're able to think for ourselves but I am, and I do give credit where credit is due.
P.S. Thanks again Tex, people such as yourself make it a pleasure to be around here.
Seems to me that the bipartisan reaction to the President's overall performance to date ;including the Geithner poor performance is generally negative.
Take Howard Kurtz from the Washington Compost.
Howard Kurtz - Vote of No Confidence - washingtonpost.com
He has quotes from different sources ,many who are supportive of the President ,who suggest a certain skepticism about his plan's possible effect.
According to Kurtz ,the markets, nor the Left or Right like it. But we are apparently not permitted to voice our concerns. We should shut up because he "won" .
I don't think so.
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