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  • Jan 28, 2009, 08:40 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    You are living under a rock, right? Limbaugh, like the New York Times, is protected by the 1st Amendment, right? America is about freedom and business, right? Private property, right? Child poverty is Bush's fault? You've heard of teenage pregnancy and the epidemic of unwed mothers? Corporations are not yet mere tools of American Nazis; they should be loyal to their owners, the shareholders, right? Businesses move off-shore because of high taxes and exhoritant regulations, including the minimum wage.

    You wouldn't happen to teach in a public school, would you?

    That's right, we want to keep moving jobs to other countries because that pesky minimum wage is getting in the way; we want the minimum wage lowered or we want more illegals to hire. We want to pay little or no taxes because we make jobs, but we don't want to live in one of those other countries because they aren't as safe or as free as this one because of the shared taxes we pay to keep it this way; just us management types will live here our workers will no longer be American but Indian, Chinese, etc. they can let them suffer with lax safety standards and sub-human wages which American's wouldn't stand for. We want our cake and eat it too.

    As for regulations, pesky things keep American's safe; we can't run a business if we have to worry about some people dying or making some people sick. Those Chinese mothers with melamine in the formula or lead in the toys; that just the cost of doing business. Although the financial sector was profitable without regulations, we like the American financial sector even more now, less risk with government bailout. We love bundling worthless assets in a fraudulent way with no regulations or oversite, and if we are caught, the worst is a little jail time for 100's of millions in personal profit. Yes, we are still loyal to America where we can operate to the full extent that greed and disregard for others will allow.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 04:10 AM
    excon
    Hello Tex:

    *greenie*!!

    excon
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:29 AM
    450donn

    Say Tex,
    Your name implies you might be from Texas, but your avitar shows a foreign flag in front of the American flag. So what are you, an American or a foreigner pretending to be an American?
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:30 AM
    NeedKarma
    It's a Canadian flag <shakes head at the ignorance of some americans>.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:33 AM
    TexasParent

    Canadian-American if you want a label. The interesting thing about labels is that in Canada immigrants aren't called Italian-Canadian, or Chinese-Canadian; once they are Canadian they are simply Canadian.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:47 AM
    speechlesstx
    I personally think we should do away with hyphenated Americans, so l'll say Tex is a Canerican. :D

    By the way NK, "ignorance" is a word to be used with caution.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:52 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    It's a Canadian flag <shakes head at the ignorance of some americans>.

    Sheeze didn't know that CanadA was part of the USA. PLEEZE forgive my ignorance!
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:54 AM
    TexasParent

    Funny thing about Texans is that they believe they are Texan's first and American's second... lol. How often have you heard a Mexican-American Texan call themselves Texican's.

    So thank you for the "Canerican" Speech, but henceforth I wish to be referred to as a Texadian :D
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:55 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    Sheeze didnt know that CanadA was part of the USA. PLEEZE forgive my ignorance!

    You seriously had no idea what a Canadian flag looks like? It's time to do a little travelling out of your own county. Or watch a TV show that doesn't contain shouting of "Jerry Jerry!" LOL!
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:56 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Canadian-American if you want a label. The interesting thing about labels is that in Canada immigrants aren't called Italian-Canadian, or Chinese-Canadian; once they are Canadian they are simply Canadian.

    So you are a foreigner coming here and telling US how we should react in the world? When it is CanadA that for years has relied on others to take care of them, provide jobs for them and cater their every whim of liberal stupidity.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 07:58 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You seriously had no idea what a Canadian flag looks like? It's time to do a little travelling out of your own county. Or watch a TV show that doesn't contain shouting of "Jerry Jerry!" LOL!


    Bet I have spend more time in CanadA that you have in the last 40 years. I know exactly what the flag was, that is why I was asking TP if he was a foreigner.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:03 AM
    TexasParent

    Canadian's recognize that they are so much like American's (but different) and so intertwined culturally and economically that to their own dismay they sometimes refer to themselves as the 51st state.

    Sadly many Canadian's know much more about the US than they do about Canada. As for American awareness of Canada it is all but non-existent if you don't live in a boarder state.

    As for the topic, Canadian's are much too passive to riot and bring down a government.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:05 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    Bet I have spend more time in CanadA that you have in the last 40 years.

    You would lose that bet... big time. It was quite arrogant to even say that. I have spend a lot of time in UsA as well.

    Edit to add: if you spent the majority of your time in Canada doesn't that make you more Canadian than American?
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:18 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You would lose that bet...big time. It was quite arrogant to even say that. I have spend a lot of time in UsA as well.

    edit to add: if you spent the majority of your time in Canada doesn't that make you more Canadian than American?

    Why didn't you say "shakes head at the ignorance of some americans>"
    So you called me ignorant did you not?
    Never said I lived in CanadA. I did say I had traveled extensivey in CanadA over the last 40 years. So, NK you are also saying that you are Canadian? Again I have to ask the simple question, why is it that foreigners feel that they need to interject their beliefs and philosophies into American politics?
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:24 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    Again I have to ask the simple question, why is it that foreigners feel that they need to interject their beliefs and philosophies into American politics?

    Dude, I will expound on any subject I feel like. If you don't like it that is your problem. Feel free to post on the threads about Canada, or Italy, or Iraq, or Iran, etc.

    But seriously what would make you think that you have travelled more than I? Fresh out of university I was backpacking Europe and working in a pub in London. Now I work in tourism so you can imagine the exposure I get to many cultures.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:37 AM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 450donn View Post
    So you are a foreigner coming here and telling US how we should react in the world? When it is CanadA that for years has relied on others to take care of them, provide jobs for them and cater their every whim of liberal stupidity.

    I happen to love the US and what it stands for, I am one of those Canadian's who know more about US history than Canadian history. As for Canada relying on others... hmmm... Canada is the largest exporter of oil to the US, just who is relying on who?

    Liberal stupidity? I would agree that not all things liberal are great, but I am just as sure that all things conservative aren't either. Canada seems to have done quite well economically with balanced budgets for a long period and have prospered under liberal stupidity, can you say the same after 8 years of Bush?

    P.S. I am a US citizen and pay taxes, does coming from another country disqualify my opinion on American issues? No, it doesn't.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:41 AM
    NeedKarma
    Plus how many threads do you see here with Canadians talking about revolt or how ignorant their civil servants are or how messed up their education system is? They seem to be a content bunch.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:46 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Funny thing about Texans is that they believe they are Texan's first and American's second...lol. How often have you heard a Mexican-American Texan call themselves Texican's.

    So thank you for the "Canerican" Speech, but henceforth I wish to be referred to as a Texadian :D

    LOL, touché my Texadian friend. From henceforth me and my Texican (Texspanic for those who speak in PC terms) friends shall refer to all Texans of Canadian Origin (TOCO's), as Texadians.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 08:58 AM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Dude, I will expound on any subject I feel like. If you don't like it that is your problem. Feel free to post on the threads about Canada, or Italy, or Iraq, or Iran, etc.

    But seriously what would make you think that you have travelled more than I? Fresh out of university I was backpacking Europe and working in a pub in London. Now I work in tourism so you can imagine the exposure I get to many cultures.

    Touché!
    ? Years as a travel agent trumps 40 years traveling the world as a service technician.

    OKOK, "Now I work in tourism" What ever that is suppose to mean. You happier now?
  • Jan 29, 2009, 09:07 AM
    NeedKarma
    I'm neither a travel agent nor a service technician so you got me confused there.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 09:11 AM
    tomder55

    As for me ; I plan on invading Quebec this summer just like the Founders did . There's some good hiking near the city .
  • Jan 29, 2009, 09:18 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quebec City is indeed a great place to visit as is Montreal. There is some great skiing north of Montreal as well.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 11:41 AM
    TexasParent
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    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    as for me ; I plan on invading Quebec this summer just like the Founders did . There's some good hiking near the city .

    It's about time someone invaded them, the separatists occasionally even threaten to join the United States from time to time. After you've invaded them, could you beetch slap them a couple of times for me for being such whiners :D

    Oh and before you decide to invade, you should know that they are libel to recall this bad boy to stop you ;)
  • Jan 29, 2009, 12:39 PM
    tomder55

    Funny...

    I'm really looking forward to the trip.
  • Jan 29, 2009, 12:44 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    why not ? I see a European model of hate speech and censorship coming down the 'pike .Just ask Geert Wilders in Holland .

    Oh I don't see the "fairness doctrine" happening because the libs would be censored also . Instead they plan on breaking up syndication and "monopolies" like Westwood One .They will initiate a local content ruling where stations will be obliged to air local content that covers a "diverse " cross section of the communities.
    .


    More on this from the acting head of the FCC
    Citing Obama Opposition, McDowell Warns Against Fairness Doctrine - Multichannel News

    Quote:

    He suggested the doctrine could be woven into the fabric of policy initiatives with names like localism, diversity or network neutrality. "According to some, the premise of any of these initiatives is similar to the philosophical underpinnings of the Doctrine: the government must keep electronic conduits of information viewpoint neutral," he said.
    McDowell suggested that a stealth version of the doctrine may already be teed up at the FCC in the form of community advisory boards to help determine local programming. McDowell says he is fine with those boards if they are voluntary--some stations already seek such input. But that if they are required, as the FCC has proposed, "Would not such a policy be akin to re-imposition of the Doctrine, albeit under a different name and sales pitch?"
  • Jan 29, 2009, 12:54 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Oh and before you decide to invade, you should know that they are libel to recall this bad boy to stop you ;)

    Man that saddens me to see you make fun of them. I live not too far from the largest Canadian Forces base in Canada, they are sending out another deployment to Afghanistan.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 08:21 AM
    George_1950

    "Guy Ryder, the general secretary of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC), said that the current financial turmoil had triggered a social timebomb that would lead to deepening civil unrest and soaring crime....
    " Mr Ryder, speaking as strikes involving hundreds of thousands of workers erupted across France and Germany, told The Times: 'We are on the road to serious social instability, which could be extremely dangerous in some countries to democracy itself.'
    "Sharan Burrow, the president of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, said that the world was now witnessing the human cost of 'casino capitalism' as the impacts of rising unemployment and home repossessions and of plunges in savings and pension funds hit millions of families.

    "Ms Burrow said: 'Why shouldn't working people be angry? Their money is being used to stabilise the financial system, but it is their wealth, their jobs and the welfare of their children that is being stripped away.'” http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5614520.ece

    Shezam! Contemporary evidence that proves socialism does not work; legal taking from one group and giving to another with no regard to private right to ownership. "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." T. Jefferson
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:04 AM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    "Guy Ryder, the general secretary of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC), said that the current financial turmoil had triggered a social timebomb that would lead to deepening civil unrest and soaring crime....
    " Mr Ryder, speaking as strikes involving hundreds of thousands of workers erupted across France and Germany, told The Times: 'We are on the road to serious social instability, which could be extremely dangerous in some countries to democracy itself.'
    "Sharan Burrow, the president of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, said that the world was now witnessing the human cost of 'casino capitalism' as the impacts of rising unemployment and home repossessions and of plunges in savings and pension funds hit millions of families.

    "Ms Burrow said: 'Why shouldn't working people be angry? Their money is being used to stabilise the financial system, but it is their wealth, their jobs and the welfare of their children that is being stripped away.'” Unions condemn delegates on crisis - Times Online

    Shezam! Contemporary evidence that proves socialism does not work; legal taking from one group and giving to another with no regard to private right to ownership. "Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." T. Jefferson

    Funny, Canada is more socialist than here in the US and because of how they set up their banking system with more regulations they are in much better shape than here in the US.

    Quote:

    In the midst of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, Canada has joined the ranks of governments that in recent weeks stepped up to help banks cope with more fallout from bad U.S. subprime mortgages. In Canada's case, however, the reason for the assistance is a little different from some of its G-7 partners. Unlike banks in the U.S. Britain and Germany, which needed to be bailed out with hundreds of billions of dollars in new capital, Canada's major banks are solid and solvent. They don't need any help to work through their subprime exposure.

    So why did Ottawa agree to insure the money they routinely borrow from other banks, a practice that keeps their credit operations liquid? Ironically, the troubled non-Canadian institutions that received capital injections and loan guarantees in other countries now carry a government seal of approval that tilts the playing field in their favor when it comes to borrowing. That leaves Canada's big banks, including Scotiabank, TD Bank Financial Group, RBC Royal Bank and CIBC, at a competitive disadvantage. So the government acted to level the field, not to aid troubled banks.

    Why has Canada withstood the subprime tornado better than other countries, and should the Canadian banking system be a model for G-7 and G-20 leaders when they gather in Washington on Nov. 15? Consider that the Geneva-based World Economic Forum, an influential think tank whose annual conference attracts the likes of Bill Gates and Tony Blair, earlier this month ranked Canada's banking system as the soundest in the world. The U.S. came in at No. 40, and Germany and Britain ranked 39 and 44, respectively. (Switzerland was No. 16, just ahead of Namibia.) "For Canadian banks, having higher capital ratios than anyone else in the world is a source of pride," says analyst Mario Mendonca with Toronto-based investment bank Genuity Capital Markets.

    The average capital reserves for Canada's Big Six banks — defined as Tier 1 capital (common shares, retained earnings and non-cumulative preferred shares) to risk-adjusted assets — is 9.8%, several percentage points above the 7% required by Canada's federal bank regulator. That's a little better than major U.S. commercial banks like Bank of America, but significantly higher than an average capital ratio of about 4% for U.S. investment banks and 3.3% for European commercial banks.

    Another factor that helped make Canada the new gold standard in banking was Ottawa's decision in the late 1980s to allow commercials banks to acquire investment dealers on Toronto's Bay Street, the country's financial hub. As a result, these institutions are subject to the same strict rules as commercial banks, while U.S. investment dealers are subject to only light supervision from the Securities and Exchange Commission. Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, of course, will now be under the U.S. Federal Reserve's supervision since they have been chartered as bank-holding companies.

    Canada's banks make bad investments on occasion. When Toronto-based CIBC, Canada's most aggressive big bank, took $3.5 billion in charges against the U.S. subprime debacle, federal regulators quickly arrived on the scene. But here's the difference: CIBC ended up selling $2.94 billion worth of its own shares in the first quarter of this year to shore up capital reserves. "The relationship between government and banks is a positive one," says Minister of Finance Jim Flaherty. "We have a lot of discussions and regular meetings. The common goal is a sound financial system."

    There is, of course, a flip side to Canada's regulatory system. When the global economy was flying high, Canadian banks complained about not being allowed to merge to become more significant international players. "In hindsight, that decision may have saved Canada from having a Royal Bank of Scotland on its hands," says Lawrence Booth, a finance specialist at the University of Toronto's Rotman School of Management, referring to the overly ambitious bank's bailout earlier this month by the British government.

    Says FFlaherty: "The credit crisis we're facing is the result of unbridled greed. We need to bridle greed." Perhaps when world leaders sit down in Washington to forge a 21st-century New Deal for the global financial system, it may have more than a smattering of Canadian banking know-how.
    So stick that in your "socialism doesn't work" ear. ;)
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:13 AM
    George_1950
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Funny, Canada is more socialist than here in the US and because of how they set up their banking system with more regulations they are in much better shape than here in the US.



    So stick that in your "socialism doesn't work" ear. ;)

    Just curious: does 'bank regulation' equate with 'socialism'? Can you provide a cite for your conclusion? Or, could it be an opinion, only?
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:16 AM
    NeedKarma
    George,
    How do you define socialism?
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:26 AM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by George_1950 View Post
    Just curious: does 'bank regulation' equate with 'socialism'? Can you provide a cite for your conclusion? Or, could it be an opinion, only?

    Sorry I was taking my conclusion from the Republican playbook that says: "Free-market capitalism solves everything; regulations (government intrusion in the free-markets) doesn't work. Regulations = big government = socialism."

    Do I have that about right, or should I dig up countless Limbaugh or Hannity pronouncements of the conservative view tying regulations to socialism?

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    Oh and within these forums most right-leaners have called Canada nasty names like liberal, socialist and held it up as an example of what the US may become if it doesn't watch itself... lol.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:29 AM
    albear

    Dig them up
  • Jan 30, 2009, 11:42 AM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by albear View Post
    dig them up

    Knock yourself out :D

    search

    Type in the search field "Government regulations".


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    The following is what I got when I typed it into the search; these are Rush Limbaugh broadcasts.

    Knock yourself out....


    Quote:

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    A Prebuttal to Obama's Infomercial
    Oct 29, 2008... He seeks to replace the American entrepreneurial spirit with government
    Regulations and mandates. James Madison, Thomas Jefferson,.

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    2 Windmills and Lousy Cars to "Fix" Global Warming as We All Freeze
    Nov 24, 2008... But then you put government regulations, Café standards, mileage, emissions, and
    All of a sudden you change the game.. .

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    3 Elected Republicans Cave to Obama and Left at Their Own Peril
    ... or get her home ready to go, according to new environmental regulations.. .
    To pay for work to meet government regulations to reduce CO2 emissions.. .

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    4 Stack of Stuff Quick Hits Page
    They're working on all kinds of new technologies that will help use less
    Gasoline, and they're doing this independent of these government regulations.
    ...

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    5 United Socialist States of America?
    Sep 17, 2008... We have automobile and aviation companies on the verge of bankruptcy or
    Government ownership due to legislation and regulation in oil prices...

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    6 Senator Ken Salazar Stands in the Way of Lower Gas Prices
    Last year Senator Salazar slipped language into a bill to bar the federal
    Government from issuing final regulations for commercial oil-shale development.
    ...

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    7 Some Tough Love from El Rushbo
    The government, some regulation, the kangaroo rat in Bakersfield, California,
    Farmer had to get rid of his farm. Wetlands, the whole assault on private...

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    8 Obama Plans to Implement FDR's Socialist "Second Bill of Rights"
    Oct 29, 2008... We've all got shackles around us some way or another, we all have government
    regulations
    in front of us, or we all have other things we have...

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    9 America's Anchorman: Democrats See Illegal Immigration As the Way...
    Cheap labor is a way to circumvent all of the socialist big government
    Regulations that have been imposed on employer-employee relations for the past
    65...

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    10 Obama Compares United States Unfavorably to China and Russia
    Aug 22, 2008... They don't have any big government regulations. They can put up cheap buildings.
    They can put up all kinds of cheap infrastructure,.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:28 PM
    albear

    So you don't like government regulations I take it?
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:34 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by albear View Post
    so you dont like government regulations i take it?

    Quite the opposite, if the proper regulations were in place in the US Banking and Investment industry; this crisis would have never occured; but Republican's don't like regulations, the free-market works just fine on it's own. In other words don't get in our way by protecting the system from collapse it makes us less competitive :rolleyes:

    Read my earlier post about how Canada got it right.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:42 PM
    albear

    Are republicans the ones who don't want a higher tax rate on people with higher incomes
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:45 PM
    TexasParent
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by albear View Post
    are republicans the ones who dont want a higher tax rate on people with higher incomes

    That's the group... have you been living in a cave?
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:45 PM
    450donn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    Quite the opposite, if the proper regulations were in place in the US Banking and Investment industry; this crisis would have never occured; but Republican's don't like regulations, the free-market works just fine on it's own. In other words don't get in our way by protecting the system from collapse it makes us less competitive :rolleyes:

    Read my earlier post about how Canada got it right.

    Oh COME ON TP! WHO has been in charge of the banking industry for the last two years? What congress has been in power for the past two years? What president started this mess when he enacted legislation that forced banks to give loans to the low income people to buy houses they could not afford? What president and his AG made those rules even tougher?
    Do the homework before you start in.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:49 PM
    albear
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    That's the group...have you been living in a cave?

    No just not a politically minded person, american politics especially so too much b/s, but I've got a friend who is so I thought id take a little more interest.
    So what are you and what in your mind does that mean.
  • Jan 30, 2009, 12:53 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TexasParent View Post
    That's the group...have you been living in a cave?

    albear is a sweety. Ease up a bit. :)

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