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Good grief, NK, do you ever have anything constructive to add? Did you ever stop to think that in such a "meet-and-greet-frenzy" someone pulled an infantile stunt to get that on her since she was not wearing one at the beginning? She's certainly not that stupid and it was certainly not very adult of both you and the moron that took the cheap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Let me call the wahhhhhh-bulance.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Even more mature there, NK. And by the way, it's 'wambulance .'
Thanks!
Or she was working the rope line at a typically rapid pace... shaking the 5,000th hand of the day... and signing as many autographs (note the pen in her hand).Most likely someone gave it to her as a prank. She put it on without looking to see what it was.Gotta love political tricks !Quote:
Apparently she picked a nice scarf
With the money he made from his ghost written auto-biographies.Quote:
Barack and Michelle paid for their own clothes
This whole discussion is silly in light of how much both political parties spent for their respective conventions.
Yes, clothes bought with his own money. I've written four non-fiction books that I had to research and then used my own brain to put them all together and my own nimble fingers to type. Obama's were easy, about his own life. I could do that about my own life and not need a ghost writer. What good would a ghost writer be? By the time you give him all the info, you may as well have written it yourself!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
But there is growing evidence that his first book ;Dreams From My Father was penned by someone other than Obama.
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Jack Cashill ;author of Hoodwinked :How Intellectual Hucksters Have Hijacked American Culture
Has Been examining the subject.
Has been examining the two books and points out a lack of simularity in style between them. I have read both and it struck me also . It is strange that Obama ,who had no published work (not even from his time as editor of the Harvard Law Review) would be able to write with such quality the 1st time out.
Cashill goes on to compares Obama's writing in 'Father' with Bill Ayers 'Fugitive Days' .He does an interesting quantitative analysis in noting that "Fugitive Days" averaged 23.13 words a sentence. "Dreams" averaged 23.36 words a sentence in a QSUM "cusum analysis" .He also subjected the books to Flesch Reading Ease Score and found that both 'Dreams' and 'Fugitive Days' both scored around a 54 on reading ease and a 12th grade reading level .He also points out that both books are loaded with seafaring imagery . Obama even writes of "boundless prairie storms"[note the title of the Weathermen manifesto I pointed out on the other thred) Coincidence ? Maybe.
This is all a mute point of course because the only real proof is confession . And it's not likely that either Ayers or Obama would admit to a fraud of this magnitude.
The donkeys are, um, rather obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I stand by my previous comments to NK. It was a childish prank and Palin is not that stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Speaking of Obama's first book, a Youtuber seems to have uncovered a 1995 interview he did which can be read and heard in its entirety here. The Senator with 143 days of Senate experience when he began his presidential run reveals what I believe to be his motivation for the job.
As if some of us ever had any doubt, it's all about him. He can't attain his personal salvation until he saves the country. I got news for you Obama, I don't need or want your salvation.Quote:
I worked as a community organizer in Chicago, [and] was very active in low-income neighborhoods working on issues of crime and education and employment, and seeing that in some ways certain portions of the African-American community are doing as bad, if not worse, and recognizing that my fate remained tied up with their fates. That my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country.
Who's that "we" he's talking about? Oh yeah, all of us. He's going to force his health care on us, force our children into universal service, force his "social" and "economic justice" on us, force his educational philosophy on us and if the Dems have their way, pry our private retirement out of our hands to help fund it.Quote:
Unfortunately, I think that recognition requires that we make sacrifices, and this country has not always been willing to make the sacrifices necessary to bring about a new day and a new age.
He will obtain personal salvation by leading the collective... Hmm wonder where I heard that before? Oh yeah, the Weathermen used to call their various cells "collectives" .
Hello again, righty's:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Seems to me I've heard right wingers like you yelling at people like me, "America - love it or leave it!". So, if it gets too liberal around here for you, don't let the door hit you in the a$$.
excon
You can't read. You've got it backwards. If our country dies, we die. If the country is going to survive, its citizens have to be the ones who make the difference and make that survival happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Yes, exactly. Even you have to help.Quote:
Who's that "we" he's talking about? Oh yeah, all of us.
All right Wondergirl, I've played along with you but what kind of BS remark is that? What is it about seemingly decent people that when they enter a discussion with a conservative they can't help but throw out insults? I can't read?? I've got it backwards?? I know perfectly well what Obama said, I suggest YOU read it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Insult number 2, "even you" have to help?? As if I make no contributions to this world? Kiss my you know what, I'm not going to take that kind of crap from you people any more.Quote:
Yes, exactly. Even you have to help.
I have read it several times, and did again just for you. I stick with my previous comment, that we are all in this together and will sink or swim depending.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I apologize. I should have not personalized it, and instead should have made it generic. As I said, we are all in this together and have to work together so we end up swimming instead of sinking. And I am not a "you people." I am a Christian and a Republican.Quote:
Insult number 2, "even you" have to help?? As if I make no contributions to this world? Kiss my you know what, I'm not going to take that kind of crap from you people any more.
Its too bad you had to make a statement like that in the firs place, wondergirl, and then apologize for it. Nothing good ever comes from these political posts, especially this one from an inane subject like Palins wardrobe expense.
And that can have so many meanings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Let's see, didn't you say Obama was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and "he hasn't disappointed?" For Christians to claim we have to work together and then turn around and insult your fellow travelers sure disappoints me, I think it's a funny way to get people to come together.Quote:
I apologize. I should have not personalized it, and instead should have made it generic. As I said, we are all in this together and have to work together so we end up swimming instead of sinking. And I am not a "you people." I am a Christian and a Republican.
Was it generic or personal when Obama spoke in Philadelphia of continuing "a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring" and then derided Americans in San Francisco with "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them?"
Was it generic or personal when John Murtha called his own constituents first "racist" and then "redneck?"
Was it generic or personal when Alcee Hastings said of Sarah Palin “Anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks."
Was it generic or personal when Whoopee Goldberg asked McCain if she needed to worry about slavery again?
Was it generic or personal when Sandra Bernhard threatened Sarah Palin with "gang rape" and called her "uncle woman?"
Was it generic or personal when Charlie Rangel called her "disabled?"
Was it generic or personal when Madonna equated McCain with Hitler and Mugabe?
Errrr Guys,
I posted this as more light hearted than anything else!!
Please calm down.
We are all HUMAN and that's all that really matters.
After all these people are only going to be in "power" for 8 years at most!
YouTube - No Place To Hide: The Strategy and Tactics of Terrorism (Part 4 of 6)
The best is part 4 & 5
This documentary was made in the early 80's, but its uncanny how it parallels our current situation in the US and abroad
nightmares - Google Video
Watch them in order - you'll understand how the neoconservative works.
I am watching, but I already see something ridiculous:
The video says that terrorism is a "fantasy" "fabricated by politicians to keep their power"
Anyone who saw 9/11 should be sobered up into knowing it is not a "fantasy"
You are taking that comment out of context. Please continue to watch and find out what is meant by that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyprine
By the way, If I am watching your video you should watch mine which is much shorter (all 6 parts)
I will continue watching later
But why did you immediately send me a video about this, when I sent a video that informs about terrorism tactics (in which psychological tactics are the MOST pervasive). Are being defensive about something?
It talks about Marxist-Lehininst terrorist as well as neo-Nazi and "right wing" terrorism too (in Europe)
It shows how they operate "underground" in deliberate provocations to discredit the current government and create enough political unrest to take power, and how they know that taking control of the education system and brainwashing our youth is the way to impact the most damage (more than any one bombing or hostage of innocents). It shows how Marxist-Lehininst terrorist organizations across the globe support each other by exchanging services, smuggling weapons, money, operating under "cover" organizations, etc (for example today: Castro and Chavez, Castro and Ahmedinejad, etc
That IS scary Cyprine... very scary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyprine
"sexist jerks"? It's about the amount spent and where the money came from! You can't understand that simple part?
Hello Steve:
Sexist?? I think not. Politics?? You betcha!!
Who knew it cost so much to dress a populist? At the very moment Palin was celebrating herself as "your average hockey mom", she was wearing a $2,500 silk jacket by Valentino.
Now, if she were running WITH the elites instead of against them, she'da been cool... But, she AIN'T. I don't know if YOU see the problem there, but everybody else does.
excon
Here we go again ! If she spent l50M on her/they wardrobe (the way I heard it, that was the total cost for outfitting her entire family and makeup and hair) that wouldn't amount to very much designer duds. She looked pretty well put together every time I saw her on TV (here in Canada). If they were all designer duds she would have had to wear one outfit many times, but I saw her in several different outfits bought from, what I understand, is high end department store Neiman Marcus. High end department stores in Toronto don't sell designer duds. I betcha she was wearing knock offs.
And what has terrorism got to do with the orignal post ? We are getting off topic. A topic which I don't consider to have any merit, of what 71 posts, so far has turned into. What has it got to do with sexist?
We are talking about a very attractive woman who just happens to wear anything well. The original dart was probably launched by a very jealous woman somewhere within Obama's entourage.
The story broke in Politico on 10/22/08. (RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com) --Quote:
Originally Posted by tickle
The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
The RNC gives her some clothes to wear. She did not ask where they came from. The big problem is that there is a staffer in the RNC who is letting her take a PR hit over this non-issue.
She has been poorly served by the McCain campaign and you are seeing her breaking away from their Dr Henry Higgins approach to managing her .
Even her own people are saying she can't be managed:Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com
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Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."
A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.
McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.
A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.
"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.
"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
Some of the rest of the story...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
If you ask me it shows she has a lot more spunk and is a lot more independent and capable than she's given credit for. She really can think for herself, imagine that.Quote:
Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.
John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political interests.
Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being scheduled for campaign events.
Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.
Hello Steve:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Well, then here's the good news you righty's have been looking for. Assuming Obama creates the commy society you think he will, Palin will be your nominee in 2012.
I'll probably be dead by then. Thank God.
excon
Congratulations!Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Lol ,you say her own people say she can't be managed then link to a quote by McCain operatives.Quote:
Even her own people are saying she can't be managed:
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com
That's correct. McCain advisers are saying she 'going rogue'.
Good ;they have ill-served her .
By the way ;how much did the Obama campaign spend to fly him twice during the campaign to Hawaii on a private 767 ?
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