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  • Sep 30, 2008, 05:26 PM
    tomder55

    My my how that got turned around. When you see the Democrat presidential candidate doing his best impersonation of the Tracy character "Mumbles" what exactly do you think he's doing ? Being nuianced and contemplative ?

    Palin's biggest problem is that she became deferential to those morons Couric and Gibson. I would've been more up front and told them...

    "no ;I did not have time to take foreign junkets on the taxpayer's dime schmoozing with foreign dignitaries as Governor or Mayor . As a Governor I was too busy running my State!!! . I wasn't using the office as a stepping stone to my next elected position like the Democrat Presidential nominee.

    If I seem inexperienced in foreign policy then too bad . I expect McCain to serve his full term and in the meantime I know how to pick competent staff and advisors. I am a quick study and unlike the Presidential nominee I WILL have the luxury of on the job training (Joe Biden's words) .

    I can assure you that I know (unlike the nominee and his running mate on the Democrat ticket) what it means to make an executive decision .Obama and Biden have demonstrated that they are like their compatriots on the Hill ;unwilling to be involved in the decisions of the day. Obama has been phoning it in ;and Biden completely invisible and irrelevent . I show up for work every day .

    Now if you want to seriously discuss the issues of the day I'll continue . If you persist in trying to quizz me so you can find gottcha sound bites for Tina Fey ,I'm afraid I'm wasting my time here. There are thousands upon thousands of Americans every day who go to events to hear what I have to say. Too bad you can't take this as seriously as they do "
  • Sep 30, 2008, 06:24 PM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Palin's biggest problem is that she became deferential to those morons Couric and Gibson. I would've been more up front and told them ....

    Yes, I'm sure you are way smarter than she is. But you weren't chosen as the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee. You're too smart and articulate to serve the purpose the Rovians had in mind. She's the Goldilocks candidate--hot, but not too hot; smart, but not too smart.
  • Sep 30, 2008, 09:09 PM
    BABRAM
    Katie Couric pitched Sarah Palin soft balls in the first interview. Couric gave a tootsie foot interview, nothing earth shattering, and subjects that Palin should have a clue about as a VP candidate. Heaven forbid if McCain were to become president, the country would only be one bad burrito away from "I love Lucy." Even worse the second interview had the puppet's master, "McCain" by her side. It was Tweedledee and Tweedledum as Palin looked at McCain several times as they both fumbled for excuses in an attempt to stay on the same page. But hey, Sarah's husband "Todd" is a professional snowmobile racer and there's an island belonging to Alaska off their coast that is occupied by maybe a hundred fifty people, perhaps a few sea lions and seals. Yes sirree! If they squint hard enough across the Bering Strait they can see the rock outline of territory that belongs to Russia. Whoopee! :rolleyes:
  • Oct 1, 2008, 04:30 AM
    tomder55
    Wall Street and Washington were full of people who were “qualified and experienced” in the field of finance. Sen. Barack Obama, for one, has a great deal of experience in the housing field. So do many of his closest advisers. I would have traded some of that experience for a few more leaders with less experience and more courage to buck the establishment and tell the truth about what was happening.
    http://townhall.com/Columnists/FredT...9/30/qualified
  • Oct 1, 2008, 04:35 AM
    NeedKarma
    Tom, from your link:
    Quote:

    When John McCain selected Governor Sarah Palin, as his running mate, the Democrats and their far-left constituency let out a primal scream that could be heard from sea to shining sea. How dare he choose someone that they and their pals in the media had not had a chance to vet (i.e. libel, slander, and otherwise and otherwise eviscerate). Ah, but it was not too late. These seekers of “a new kind of politics” poured torrents of malicious abuse upon her and her family.
    Isn't that what you guys did to Obama for months on end?
  • Oct 1, 2008, 04:52 AM
    tomder55

    I don't know who you guys are. I did not and I have defended him against unwarranted slander. Nor have I said a thing about his family that was not in the realm of politics. Yes I panned his wife's public statements because they were a matter of public record ;statements made on the campaign trail.

    I have tried to find out and fill in the gaps about some very important unanswered questions about his past.

    Obama still has not been vetted properly even though the press has had ample opportunity .
  • Oct 1, 2008, 04:55 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Obama still has not been vetted properly even though the press has had ample opportunity .

    And that's exactly what's happening to Palin. So suck it up and enjoy the ride, you gte to see what Obama had to endure.

    By 'you guys' I meant the right-wing types here and whoever sends out those mass emails smearing Obama that people seem to receive a lot.
  • Oct 1, 2008, 05:20 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    And that's exactly what's happening to Palin. So suck it up and enjoy the ride, you gte to see what Obama had to endure.

    By 'you guys' I meant the right-wing types here and whoever sends out those mass emails smearing Obama that people seem to receive a lot.

    That makes at least two of us "you guys" that have defended Obama on these boards against those mass email slanders, so what's your next excuse?
  • Oct 1, 2008, 10:30 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post

    Also from Fred's piece about qualifications:
    Quote:

    However, it is a legitimate issue and should be taken seriously. I especially take seriously the criticism of people such as New York Times columnist David Brooks who I consider to be an insightful analyst of the political scene.
    Here's what Brooks said on the subject: David Brooks--Why Experience Matters
    Quote:

    Conservatism was once a frankly elitist movement. Conservatives stood against radical egalitarianism and the destruction of rigorous standards. They stood up for classical education, hard-earned knowledge, experience and prudence. Wisdom was acquired through immersion in the best that has been thought and said.

    But, especially in America, there has always been a separate, populist, strain. For those in this school, book knowledge is suspect but practical knowledge is respected. The city is corrupting and the universities are kindergartens for overeducated fools.

    The elitists favor sophistication, but the common-sense folk favor simplicity. The elitists favor deliberation, but the populists favor instinct.

    This populist tendency produced the term-limits movement based on the belief that time in government destroys character but contact with grass-roots America gives one grounding in real life. And now it has produced Sarah Palin.

    Palin is the ultimate small-town renegade rising from the frontier to do battle with the corrupt establishment. Her followers take pride in the way she has aroused fear, hatred and panic in the minds of the liberal elite. The feminists declare that she’s not a real woman because she doesn’t hew to their rigid categories. People who’ve never been in a Wal-Mart think she is parochial because she has never summered in Tuscany.

    Look at the condescension and snobbery oozing from elite quarters, her backers say. Look at the endless string of vicious, one-sided attacks in the news media. This is what elites produce. This is why regular people need to take control.

    And there’s a serious argument here. In the current Weekly Standard, Steven Hayward argues that the nation’s founders wanted uncertified citizens to hold the highest offices in the land. They did not believe in a separate class of professional executives. They wanted rough and rooted people like Palin.

    I would have more sympathy for this view if I hadn’t just lived through the last eight years. For if the Bush administration was anything, it was the anti-establishment attitude put into executive practice.

    And the problem with this attitude is that, especially in his first term, it made Bush inept at governance. It turns out that governance, the creation and execution of policy, is hard. It requires acquired skills. Most of all, it requires prudence.

    What is prudence? It is the ability to grasp the unique pattern of a specific situation. It is the ability to absorb the vast flow of information and still discern the essential current of events — the things that go together and the things that will never go together. It is the ability to engage in complex deliberations and feel which arguments have the most weight.

    How is prudence acquired? Through experience. The prudent leader possesses a repertoire of events, through personal involvement or the study of history, and can apply those models to current circumstances to judge what is important and what is not, who can be persuaded and who can’t, what has worked and what hasn’t.

    Experienced leaders can certainly blunder if their minds have rigidified (see: Rumsfeld, Donald), but the records of leaders without long experience and prudence is not good. As George Will pointed out, the founders used the word “experience” 91 times in the Federalist Papers. Democracy is not average people selecting average leaders. It is average people with the wisdom to select the best prepared.

    Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she’d be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.

    The idea that “the people” will take on and destroy “the establishment” is a utopian fantasy that corrupted the left before it corrupted the right. Surely the response to the current crisis of authority is not to throw away standards of experience and prudence, but to select leaders who have those qualities but not the smug condescension that has so marked the reaction to the Palin nomination in the first place.
  • Oct 1, 2008, 10:41 AM
    tomder55

    Thompson's point is clear on this. Without term limits all we have in Washinton is swamp-rats with plenty of experience. Our economy is going down the toilet in no small part because of their experience at picking our pockets.
  • Oct 1, 2008, 11:17 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Thompson's point is clear on this. Without term limits all we have in Washinton is swamp-rats with plenty of experience. Our economy is going down the toilet in no small part because of their experience at picking our pockets.

    So you think we should elect McCain-Palin because they are most likely "to destroy a corrupt establishment"? While it's probably true that they would unleash new forms of destruction, I agree with Brooks that we've had quite enough of that over the past 8 years, and it's time for some adult supervision.

    Pat Oliphant--Preparing Palin
  • Oct 1, 2008, 07:45 PM
    inthebox

    David Brooks may believe this



    Quote:


    Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness.

    The idea that “the people” will take on and destroy “the establishment” is a utopian fantasy that corrupted the left before it corrupted the right. Surely the response to the current crisis of authority is not to throw away standards of experience and prudence, but to select leaders who have those qualities but not the smug condescension that has so marked the reaction to the Palin nomination in the first place.



    HOWEVER:


    1] Palin has taken on the GOP's corruption in Alaska, and was successful.

    2] The subsequent bolds indicate Mr Brook's
    Cynicism for true change. He admits that most of the left and right have given up.


    So who should people choose ?

    Another adept politician that promises everything you want to hear - Obama ?
    Same old same old partisanship- no CHANGE there.

    Obama Votes Party Line 3X More Than McCain | Sweetness & Light
  • Oct 2, 2008, 01:37 AM
    tomder55

    Quote:

    I agree with Brooks that we've had quite enough of that over the past 8 years
    On the contrary the biggest problem with the Bush administration is that domestically they too often acted like the established Washington elite. David Brooks by the way is infected with the same "insider "disease and increasingly so is Peggy Noonan.
  • Oct 2, 2008, 05:14 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    1] Palin has taken on the GOP's corruption in Alaska, and was successful.

    I suppose you could say that Sarah Palin has "taken on" the GOP's corruption in Alaska in the sense that she has overthrown the previous power brokers, and now uses the powers of government to serve her own interests (personal vendetta, political power) instead of theirs (personal wealth, political power). But that's not much of an improvement in terms of the public interest.
    Quote:

    2] The subsequent bolds indicate Mr Brook's
    Cynicism for true change. He admits that most of the left and right have given up.
    So what, exactly, do you think is the true change that we need? Is the whole idea of "constructive governance" just a lie told by the corrupt elites to dupe the virtuous masses? Are the ideas of "the common good", and "the public interest" nothing more than leftist political slogans that have no real validity?
  • Oct 2, 2008, 05:46 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    on the contrary the biggest problem with the Bush administration is that domestically they too often acted like the established Washington elite.

    I'm sure the question of what was "the biggest problem with the Bush administration " will be debated for years. There are so many to choose from, and they have such far-reaching consequences that it's hard to know how to even compare them, much less pick the biggest one. Can you give some examples of what you mean by "acted like the established Washington elite"?
    Quote:

    David Brooks by the way is infected with the same "insider "disease and increasingly so is Peggy Noonan.
    Yeah, it's getting harder and harder to tell who's Us and who's Them, isn't it. The fact is that we're all in this together and one of the things we need is competent and prudent government.

    I'd like to ask you the same questions I asked inthebox:
    So what, exactly, do you think is the true change that we need?
    Is the whole idea of "constructive governance" just a lie told by the corrupt elites to dupe the virtuous masses?
    Are the ideas of "the common good", and "the public interest" nothing more than leftist political slogans that have no real validity?
  • Oct 2, 2008, 05:47 AM
    ZoeMarie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GothGirl1771 View Post
    I think shes ok, I mean, they let Hilary run 4 president..why not have a female vice president? Beisdes, she seems down to earth an nice...I don't see what the problem is. Ok, maybe that statement was a bit over the top, but whenever a democrat says something bad, republicans never go and say anything....

    If you only had to be down to earth and nice to be vice president, then pretty much anyone could do it. I don't think that's the case.
  • Oct 2, 2008, 02:03 PM
    Galveston1

    All you people crying for change, and when it is offered, you carp. First you say McCain is Bush #2, and you don't like that. Then McCain chooses a vp that is REAL change, should McCain die in office, and you don't like that either.
    You simply cannot be pleased, can you?
  • Oct 2, 2008, 02:34 PM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    All you people crying for change, and when it is offered, you carp. First you say McCain is Bush #2, and you don't like that. Then McCain chooses a vp that is REAL change, should McCain die in office, and you don't like that either.
    You simply cannot be pleased, can you?

    The hobo down the street is REAL change too but no one wants him to lead the country.
  • Oct 2, 2008, 02:41 PM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    All you people crying for change, and when it is offered, you carp. First you say McCain is Bush #2, and you don't like that. Then McCain chooses a vp that is REAL change, should McCain die in office, and you don't like that either.
    You simply cannot be pleased, can you?

    Yes, I can be pleased, and I would be pleased, by competent, prudent, constructive governance in support of the common good.
  • Oct 3, 2008, 10:42 AM
    Galveston1
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ordinaryguy View Post
    Yes, I can be pleased, and I would be pleased, by competent, prudent, constructive governance in support of the common good.

    And who currently on the scene do you think will bring this?
  • Oct 3, 2008, 08:36 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The hobo down the street is REAL change too but no one wants him to lead the country.


    Yeah and that HOBO down the street can point out all that is wrong and "PROPOSE" changes that involve government solutions necessitating governments expansion and raising taxes. ;)
  • Oct 4, 2008, 01:42 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    ... and raising taxes. ;)

    If you make under $250,000 then under Obama's plan your taxes will lower.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 04:19 AM
    inthebox

    The Tax Foundation - Both Candidates' Tax Plans Will Reduce Millions of Taxpayers' Liability to Zero (or Less)


    Quote:


    According to the most recent IRS statistics for 2006, some 45.6 million tax filers—one-third of all filers—have no tax liability after taking their credits and deductions. For good or ill, this is a dramatic 57 percent increase since 2000 in the number of Americans who pay no personal income taxes.






    Tax Foundation estimates show that if all of the Obama tax provisions were enacted in 2009, the number of these "nonpayers" would rise by about 16 million, to 63 million overall. If all of the McCain tax proposals were enacted in 2009, the number of nonpayers would rise by about 15 million, to a total of 62 million overall.

    Quote:

    How is it possible to cut 95 percent of Americans' taxes when the Tax Foundation reports that 40 percent of Americans don't pay any income tax?

    The dangerous thing is that, those who have no federal tax liability will look more favorably to voting themselves more government entitlements and thus increasing gov spending.

    Of course for a significant percentage of workers; ssi, medicare, state, property taxes are much higher than their federal tax burden.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 05:28 AM
    speechlesstx
    Glad you brought this up, just exactly how will Obama lower taxes for people that pay no income tax? It's no wonder that:

    • "60% of likely voters among nontaxpaying Americans favor Obama for president."
    • "a majority of the 30% of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes agree with Obama's $65 billion plan to institute taxpayer-funded, universal health coverage."
    • "A majority of nontaxpayers (57%) also favor raising the individual income-tax rate for those in the highest bracket to 54% from 35%. A majority of nontaxpayers (59%) also favor raising Social Security taxes by 4% for any individual or business that makes at least $250,000."
    • ""Nontaxpayers support Obama's plans for increased tax deductions for lower-income Americans along with higher overall tax rates levied against middle- and upper-income households as well.
    • They also want to expand their ranks from 30% of all Americans to 40%. Obama's tax plan, with its smorgasbord of deductions and credits aimed at lower-income households, would do exactly that."


    So tell us, how do you give a tax break to someone that pays no taxes?
  • Oct 4, 2008, 10:29 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ordinaryguy View Post
    So what, exactly, do you think is the true change that we need? Is the whole idea of "constructive governance" just a lie told by the corrupt elites to dupe the virtuous masses? Are the ideas of "the common good", and "the public interest" nothing more than leftist political slogans that have no real validity?

    So, inthebox, I guess you aren't going to answer my questions. That's what I thought. When it really comes down to it, you've got nothing do you?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ordinaryguy View Post
    I'd like to ask you the same questions I asked inthebox:
    So what, exactly, do you think is the true change that we need?
    Is the whole idea of "constructive governance" just a lie told by the corrupt elites to dupe the virtuous masses?
    Are the ideas of "the common good", and "the public interest" nothing more than leftist political slogans that have no real validity?

    Hey there, Tom, you got nothing to say? I'm not surprised. All bluff and bluster, no substance, just like your buddies.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 02:54 PM
    Galveston1

    The whole Obama tax plan is impossible. I'm certain he knows that, but he is depending on the dumb-masses to elect him on empty promises. I challenge any math that says ANYONE can do all Obama has promised, even if you leave off the extra programs he wants to create.
  • Oct 4, 2008, 03:51 PM
    inthebox
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ordinaryguy View Post
    So, inthebox, I guess you aren't going to answer my questions. That's what I thought. When it really comes down to it, you've got nothin' do you?


    Hey there, Tom, you got nothing to say? I'm not surprised. All bluff and bluster, no substance, just like your buddies.

    Sorry to keep you waiting,

    Change, hmmmm

    1] tell the truth
    - about your education, your associates, your positions

    2] stop promising more entitlements, when we can't keep the ones we have [ medicare , ssi ]

    3] stop bringing race or age or gender into the issues of qualifications

    4] vote against your party's position every once in awhile if it is to the benefit of the country

    5] bring something NEW to the table
    - how about the fair tax
    - how about legalizing THC
    - how about saying no to lobbyists and special intrests
    - how about appreciating the big corps that employ people and provide goods and
    Services that we all use and need
    - how about demanding that the rest of the world step up and start defending
    Themselves
    - how about stopping illegal immigration
    - how about going after fraud in medicare, medicaid, soc security, this ability
    - how about aiming for 100% child support rates [ 50 % ] now
    - how about truly rating the crap that is in today's entertainment industry
    - how about personal responsibility - sorry you bought a home you could not afford, or
    Sorry you lost your home because it is in an area below sea level and in hurricane
    Path every year, or on top of a hill of mud etc...
  • Oct 4, 2008, 05:20 PM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Galveston1 View Post
    And who currently on the scene do you think will bring this?

    Well, I admit it's hard to get good help these days, but the Republicans have had eight years to show what they can do, and the debris is falling all around us. A party that has preached contempt for government ever since Reagan proclaimed "government IS the problem", and has corrupted the institutions of government and trashed the Constitution at every opportunity, needs to be out of power for several years so it can take some remedial courses in civics.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 02:45 AM
    tomder55
    OG sorry I did not reply in what you think is a suitably timely manner . I sometimes just quickly peruse long extended postings that go off topic.


    Jefferson described good governance in his 1st inauguration :
    ....a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."

    The problem with the liberal perscription is that, although it is well intentioned ,the unintended consequences outweigh the good.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 11:09 AM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by inthebox View Post
    Change, hmmmm

    1] tell the truth

    2] stop promising more entitlements, when we can't keep the ones we have

    3] stop bringing race or age or gender into the issues of qualifications

    4] vote against your party's position every once in awhile if it is to the benefit of the country

    5] bring something NEW to the table

    Hey! I agree! All of these would be a big change from every Republican administration that's been in power since 1981. But these are not the kinds of proposals I expected from someone who dissed David Brooks for suggesting that "the constructive act of governance" was a cop out from the "true change" that's needed to "destroy a corrupt establishment".

    So how about answering my other questions as well?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
    Is the whole idea of "constructive governance" just a lie told by the corrupt elites to dupe the virtuous masses?
    Are the ideas of "the common good", and "the public interest" nothing more than leftist political slogans that have no real validity?

    As you may or may not remember, "to promote the general welfare" is one of the objectives that is set out in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution. I'm just trying to get a feel for how much of the Constitution you plan to repeal after your revolution to "destroy a corrupt establishment" is victorious.
  • Oct 5, 2008, 12:46 PM
    ordinaryguy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Jefferson described good governance in his 1st inauguration :
    ....a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."

    So does this mean that you do recognize that there is such a thing as good governance, at least in theory? If so, I'm pleasantly surprised, but it does put you at odds with both McCain and Palin who are still flogging the "government IS the problem" line.

    Let's see how the Republican track record measures up to Jefferson's vision:

    "wise and frugal"? Bwa ha ha ha.
    "restrain men from injuring one another"? If it were only women and children who were victims of violence, I guess they'd be able to claim success on this one. Alas, homicide is the leading cause of death among black men under 30 years of age.
    "shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned"? How's your 401(k) portfolio doing these days?
    Quote:

    The problem with the liberal perscription is that, although it is well intentioned ,the unintended consequences outweigh the good.
    Is it a genetic thing for Republicans to answer the questions they want to answer instead of the ones that were asked, or do they teach you that in the Sarah Palin School of Debate?

    I'll ask again. Are the concepts of "the general welfare", "the common good", and "the public interest" valid, or should we just get rid of them along with the Constitution?
  • Oct 5, 2008, 10:17 PM
    inthebox
    [QUOTE=ordinaryguy;1306313]"restrain men from injuring one another"? If it were only women and children who were victims of violence, I guess they'd be able to claim success on this one. Alas, homicide is the leading cause of death among black men under 30 years of age.

    QUOTE]

    How did you logically conclude that it is the fault of government that homicide is the leading cause of death among black men under 30 ?

    Don't you think other factors like:
    The break down of family, drugs, violent entertainment, a "victimization" mindset that contribute to that unfortunate statistic?
  • Oct 6, 2008, 04:28 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    So does this mean that you do recognize that there is such a thing as good governance, at least in theory? If so, I'm pleasantly surprised, but it does put you at odds with both McCain and Palin who are still flogging the "government IS the problem" line.
    The government that is in office is the problem .President Bush succumbed to the caring government bs and the liberals have control of the Congress... perfect together.



    The problem is that the government is the primary cause of this .Even the goofy Alec Baldwin realizes this :
    YouTube - The 800 Billion Dollar Week | Bill Maher | Oct 3 2008

    Relevant part of his rant if the link doesn't work:
    Quote:

    The, the thing we have to remember, a friend of mine who is very close to the financial community in New York pointed out that Democrats have a lot of the responsibility for this as well. I mean, it was Clinton who killed the Glass-Steagall, and it happened under a Democratic president. Barney Frank and his committee, they, they kept propping up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac saying everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's good. And it was his job to know everything wasn't fine. And Barney Frank let you down and let us down as well. And so, but I want to say there's blame to go both ways. But I will say, I want to, I maybe keep beating this to death, but I still think anyone in this Congress who voted to add $140 billion to that bill, they should be ashamed of themselves. That is a disgrace. It's a disgrace. This Congress is a disgrace, Democrat and Republican.
    The problem is that he will belly ache about Barney Frank and the Democrats are to blame in large measure for the subprime crisis... And he is entirely correct in saying there's enough blame to go around on both sides of the aisle.
    But his and your perscription for what ails us is more of the same "caring government " .In the last few weeks we have found out how much “affordable housing” really cost. Ten years from now we will learn the cost of affordable health care

    By the way .My 401K is doing fine.I realised a long time ago a basic fact of Wall Street... buy low ;sell high. So about a year ago I realised the market peaked and converted most of the 401K to a cash position(what they call a "guaranteed return " . )
    But I do agree that most of Americans will open their quarterly statements this week and it will seal McCain's fate.

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