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Contrast that with Obama - would not try to keep a fetus alive that had survived an abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Exactly what percent are due to rape and how many are elective?
She wants to outlaw killing a fetus - good for her.
She'll take a stance and not worry about paygrade:D
And you will give a reference for this factoid?Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
I think that if she were to become president, (far fetched but could happen) the whole wide world would not let her change it to where the women are not protected! You and I would not let that happen, would we? We get the chance to vote... right and the over turn of Roe vs. Wade... dont count on it!
I agree with inthebox on that, I would like to see babies born rather than die AFFTER they have been aborted in a women's arms.
But... that is not all that I worry about.
I have guns, (skell don't worry, I don't use them for anything but recreation) I would like my rights to stay the same. Hence Hitler... I suppose that is going a bit too far, but now a days, you never know!
I noticed that Obama doesn't want to have anything to do with Drilling in Alaska...
McCain doesn't either...
I disagree with both of them on drilling, so Palin thinks we should, I agree with her on that.
I agree we need to get troops out of Iraq, but not all, that surely could be devastating.
Another thing... anyone who votes for her JUST because she is a woman, is just plain stupid.
We all have our different views, I don't all the way believe that McCain is "McBush" but in some case you all are right.
I really like McCains wife too... she has done far more for her community than Obama's wife... I started a thread on it, but it got closed... darn it.
Obama is a smooth talker, his family is beautiful... he sounds great promising all those rainbows and chocolate chip cookies, I just don't believe it, so yes, Excon I would like things to stay more the same than take the chance on him... thus far! I still have not made up my mind. This is just how I have seen it and listening to you guys, well, you prove it time and again.
We just see differently and believe differently, that doesn't mean we all can't meet in the middle and try and get along. That is not such a far fetched comment if you all are willing to compromise!
I like someone who can stand up say what they mean and not care about hurting our feelings... I don't get that from Obama... Joe Biden, maybe... but not Obama
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Defends Partial-birth Abortion - Associated Content
I think it is somewhere in there..
THAT'S your documentation??Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Now, please do some honest research of your own on this. With Googling, it's easy and fun.
Wondergirl, I am trying here there is so much to read... it is not fun. I really am trying to find some answers...
Give me something.
EDIT::: I am a beginner here, that doesn't mean I don't have opinions or views on how I feel it should go.
What about health care? Do you all think we should have business driven health care or government run health care?
Do you want the right-wing take on it or the liberal take on it? Or do you want to read the actual Illinois legislature report on it as to what was on the table and who said and did what, and then make up your own mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
I am not either, I see and like both sides of the fence. So what ever that makes me, I suppose I will take what I can get on both parties. You see Wondergirl, I am not here to say my peace as much as I am here to learn about WHY others think and say the things they do... it gives me a better insight on why I want to believe in what I do.
Sorry Steve. You misunderstood me. I found it "absurd" that people mention the fact she loves holding a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
The "desperate" comment was in reference to McCain / Repubs choice of this seemingly unknown women all in an attempt to get the Clinton vote. Not the gun issue. That isn't desperate, just weird!! ;)
I know you isn't desperate Steve. Your too sure of yourself to be desperate! :)
Well, there are companies that have died and left their retirees without health care. My husband worked 30 years for the all-American company called Western Electric which became AT&T which became Lucent which was bought out by a French company named Alcatel. Our health care program is currently in jeopardy. Business-driven health care is no longer a guarantee that it will always be there as long as you are associated with that company. So then what? Can we all afford private health care? If you think so, check out the premium cost for a few basic family plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Well, if you aren't interested the truth of a situation and are more interested in who believes what, then I will bow out of this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
And apparently it isn't going to work:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Palin booed for mentioning Hillary Clinton « - Blogs from CNN.com
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This might not be the best way to reach out to those disillusioned Hillary Clinton supporters. In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday for attempting to praise Clinton’s trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.
As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate.
But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted her comments at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing “determination and grace in her presidential campaign,” the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the “Road to the Convention Rally” was held.
I agree. I also see people on here talking of government run health care, and they have to see who the government says they have to see, they have to wait in line to be seen? Making an appointment sometimes gives you a wait of a month or longer. That doesn't sound good to me. Isn't there another way?
I suppose we could be private and pay what we normally pay, I don't see myself always paying my health care bills already, I would love another out on being able to get treatment and pay for it. ON TIME! We have a family of 6, our policy is not that good, my husbands employer pays the 7 or 8 hundred and we pay the 200 every month just to have it, then there are co-pays, and "it isn't covered bills" and the deductibles... I know Wondergirl, I do know something needs to give.
What I am interested in... is what the opponents are going to do in certain situations. So I can base my opinion on that. Do we all not base our voting on what we believe? I don't get this comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Who are the "opponents"?Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Obama and McCain... I am completely confused now. Are you laughing at me NK? Just a person needing to talk about issues to get a better feel on how things work in politics, that's all.
The problem is we can only believe what they tell us they are going to do, or we can go on past record of how their particular party acted in certain situations. You said you were happy with what you have had for the last 8 years. Well vote for McCain. If not, Obama / Dems seem like the vote to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
I didn't say I was happy with the last 8 years, what I said was that I am willing to keep things the "same"... too scared of the change. (not afraid to admit it)
I agree, we can only believe what they tell us... or we can research and find out that what they are telling us is a lie! Right? Isn't that what you guys do?
We don't KNOW what "the opponents" are going to do in any given situation. We can find out what they've each done in the past (that's why I urged you to find out the truth of those situations, and not simply believe what a blogger thinks or believes happened), but as you know from your own behavior and the behavior of family members, what they have done in the past does not determine what they will do in the future when the influences and other variables will be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Fair enough with respect to change. I suspect a lot of people will vote for McCain out of fear of Obama. Though I don't see why!! I fear McCain myself. But for me it isn't too much an issue because these days down under here we have a prime minister who isn't just going to be a lap dog to the US president like in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by startover22
Yes, the only way to truly find out is research yourself and form your own opinion, and still then it isn't hard to be deceived. Just do yourself a favour though and don't believe everything you hear here AMHD :)
Wondergirl, I promise I will, thank you
Skell, I promise I won't, thank you
That's why in Libraryland we research every which way and even call the appropriate people to get to the truth of the matter, if it's even possible to get to the truth.
Tomder had said earlier in this thread,
There's an awful lot to chew on there. I sure would have dug into researching those "facts" to verify them before I had posted them.Quote:
As for foreign policy experience ;Alaska share borders with Canada and Putin's Russia . Clearly she already has as much ;if not more ,foreign policy experience as previous Governors who have become President like Carter ,Clintoon ,and GW Bush.
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks. It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
http://www.airdefenseartillery.com/o...rational.pdf
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans.
First of all, I don't think the main reason he chose her was to get the Clinton vote. I'm sure that was part of it, but more so to get social conservatives behind him and it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
How can you say it worked when people haven't voted yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
You didn't shoot from the hip? Come on. This is not my first rodeo. If you think CNN is questionable and an unreliable source for news than provide one that you think is better. I'm up for that debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer
Well what a surprise! Just a suggestion, use the "Spell Check" that management provides you just right of the "Preview" button. I take it you don't like CNN either? I didn't know there was a fan club in Canada for Sean Hannity and Lisa Ingraham. Why is it only right in American politics when one side dishes it out and then not confronted? When I came to this discussion board eight months ago the Pubs were using the Dems as verbal dart boards, and still yet about seventy percent of the posts are initiated by Pubs with some snide angle or remark. Myself though... I don't turn the other cheek. BTW welcome to the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck8
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Cliff Schecter: Sarah Palin lacks experience
"McCain's choice was governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, a former mayor of a town the size of the building where I grew up in New York. More recently, she has been performing her gubernatorial duties for an entire 1.5 years since her election in November of 2006. In other words, compared to her, when it comes to foreign policy experience, Obama is practically Napoleon.
Meanwhile, she is what you might call a bit slow on the uptake. When asked on CNBC's talkshow Kudlow & Co about some of the vice-presidential speculation surrounding her only a month ago, Palin's reaction really speaks for itself:
"But as for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell ya, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me, what is it exactly that the VP does every day?""
I thought this was interesting:
"Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin's background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.
At the least, Republicans close to the campaign said it was increasingly apparent that Ms. Palin had been selected as Mr. McCain's running mate with more haste than McCain advisers initially described." (09/01/08 NYT)
I didn't arrive on this site yesterday, and I rarely find the need to use the "spell check", per your suggestion. I'm very grateful that you have pointed out that you know how to use it, and I apologiZe if my finger slipped down, and I made a spelling error.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABRAM
I do in fact, watch CNN. My comment had nothing to do with the news channel, nor did it have to do with my diction, or gramatical errors. If there is such a "fan club" in Canada, which is also in "America", and isn't exclusive to the U.S. for Sean Hannity or Lisa Ingraham, I have yet to hear.
As a Canadian, I feel I should keep informed of not only Canadian politics, but also the running race in the United States, since it affects us also. So I do come and read the differing opinions, as well as try and keep myself informed through the news and other media.
I often do not comment, as I don't want to get into a political war of words, which is also the reason I read, but normally don't comment on the religious forums.
The reason I felt the need to comment on your post, is because your answer to Stringer was demeaning, and it was not necessary to make him out to be some sort of Redneck Trailer Trash! Stringer is a kind and caring family man, who has values and morals, and the arrogance in your statement to him was just mean spirited.
I am not willing to get into a political banter with anyone here, so I have my doubts I will be back. I enjoy reading others opinions, as it gives me insight not only into the way people think, but the kind of people they are.
Thank you for welcoming me to the board! BTW... is that "Bacon, Tomato... With..?
Forgive me if there are any spelling errors, I didn't use the spell check and preview. ;) :)
The real problem with the abortion debate is that a decision was imposed on us by the Supreme Court rather than leaving it to the people to decide. Had we gone through the normal legislative process ,we would be close to where we are today with nowhere's near the acrimony .Quote:
I think that if she were to become president, (far fetched but could happen) the whole wide world would not let her change it to where the women are not protected! You and I would not let that happen, would we? We get the chance to vote... right and the over turn of Roe vs. Wade... dont count on it!
EXCON it is silly to say that this election is a referendum on the Bush Administration . I have already noted the many times McCain has opposed President Bush .His pick of Palin is illustrative of the reform direction he would move the country and his party along.
I know "change " is a good campaign slogan for a candidate who's accomplishments are as thin as veneer... and of course it is true that the country is looking for a change of direction. However change for change sake is a ridiculous proposition. There is good and bad change and I argue that the direction Obama would take us is a path we should think twice about before departing .
Which facts do you want verified ? As you know I do a bit of homework before posting things .Quote:
There's an awful lot to chew on there. I sure would have dug into researching those "facts" to verify them before I had posted them.
Alaska Army National Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
The 49th Missile Defense Battalion (GMD) is an Alaska Army National Guard unit that is permanently on active duty at Fort Greely
All Governors are briefed on the issues I mentioned. I will conceded that Biden as a chair of an important Senate Committee probably has a higher degree of clearance.. But ,as I said ,I question his judgement because of his over the top plan to divide Iraq .
What else should I fact check ?
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
Actually in your original rant that finger slipped down three times. An apology is not necessary, spelling is not my forte either.
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
Let's be thankful for that. I watch all major broadcast news networks in the US, some less of the time than others.
The "running race?" You mean the election! Yes. I agree. America has their nose in everybody's back yard so as for as I'm concerned the whole world is entitled to their opinions on the US election.Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck8
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
We all do. I'm sure Stringer (whatever his real name) is a family man of convictions and is just as substantive as the CNN network is compared to other networks.
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Originally Posted by starbuck8
It's bacon for you. I don't usually eat pork. :)
Don't dwell on it. I didn't mean to give you a complex. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by starbuck8
Wondergirl :
The Washington Times suggests that she was vetted just like any other candidate .
Washington Times - McCain camp's detailed review of Palin
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Originally Posted by tomder55
That's good enough for the VP job.Quote:
Sarah Palin's path to the Republican ticket started with her name on a list _ and a team of some 25 people poring through public records searching for trouble spots without her knowledge. Then came the 70-question survey and a nearly three-hour interview.
Wondergirl
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Abortion Statistics by U.S. State, Race, Age and Worldwide Statistics
Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;...
Other: 2.1%
Rape and Incest: Just 1% of All Abortions - New York Times
Estimated 40 million abortions since 1973
Even if a high 10 % estimate was due to rape incest or mother's health
That is 90% or 36 milllion lives "electively" killed.:eek:
Where is the outcry over this infanticide / genocide ? :confused: :(
McCain may have had lukewarm reception from social conservatives, many who would have sat out the election, but with a bonafide pro-lifer who walks the walk in Mrs Palin, I'm almost certain a greater percentage will get out and vote. With the polls running close, a few 100, 000 votes can and will make the difference.
Because people don't view these situations the same way you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by inthebox
Inthebox- The larger problem is that to be 100% pro-life, than you remove any choice. It's for that reason alone that a portion of the public, myself being one of them, will not find resolve with the Pubs (or Dems on this issue). Personally I don't think Palin's daughter should have an abortion, not that they would from their own view. IMO the young girl needs to take responsibility for her actions along with the help and support of the mother VP candidate. Obama was quite correct in stating this is a family matter, but from even the most casual voter it's apparent that Sarah Palin was not aware of her daughter's extra curricular activity. That's not a sign of leadership or somebody that supposedly has an in charge type personality; a reformer. For heaven's sake she doesn't even know what the VP does on a day to day basis. Palin is in over her head thanks to the self-proclaimed maverick. Wow!
From the official statement:
She had a decision to make? What decision was that?Quote:
Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby.
NK- Good point. Perhaps before the next embarrassing moment occurs, Sarah should get to know her daughter since they reside at the same residence. Reality is that Sarah Palin needs to be at home taking care of children (she even has a child with down syndrome). She's a bit naïve and the last thing she needs to be doing is tagging along side the old white haired dude on the campaign trail.
Yes, that is a good point about the word decision being used...
Operant word -- "suggests"Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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