Ask Me Help Desk - "I'm a cop - look what I can do."

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Originally Posted by tomder55

NK you are such a hypocrite

AFP: Police shooting sparks riots in Montreal's Haitian quarter

My advice to the cop is choke up and follow through with a slight uppercut .

From the article you quoted:

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Rioters torched cars and three police officers were injured late Sunday in a heavily Haitian district of Montreal, according to police and media reports Monday.More than 500 police were deployed and six people were arrested in the riots, which erupted after the police shot dead an 18-year-old man on Saturday.

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Police have launched an investigation into the shooting, which occurred in an area which frequently sees clashes between street gangs.

How is that comparable to peaceful protesters? Of course I knew you would back up the cops, the old school people do, they just roll over and take it... until it affects them. You are safe hiding behind your keyboard every day, some people actually go out in the real world and make their feelings known.

Here's another fun one:

NK I have participated in protests and demonstrations and have gone to government to make public statements .I have actively campaigned for and against candidates .

At all of these events if a cop told me to move back or disperse I would've gladly done so .This cop was not refusing her right to peacefully demonstrate .

Tell me all the times you have confronted police and refused to do what they have reasonably told you to do.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

reasonably

I believe that is a point up for debate, whether they were using reasonable tactics in the face of... well no threat at all.

You don't know that do you ? I watched other video of protesters provoking cops and begging to get arrested.

But what is clear is that this protester crossed the line . The only debatable point is if the tactics the cop used after that was necessary.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

But what is clear is that this protester crossed the line .

How? I know it seems real clear to you but it isn't for me.

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Originally Posted by asking

Let's say it did affect you personally.

Imagine if a cop was trying to tell you to do something you didn't want to do--let's say your wife calls you to say she and the cat are trapped in a burning house, but the police officer says you can't approach within a quarter mile of the house, which is in a burning neighborhood. You get upset and try to talk to him and he shouts at you to get back. You don't, because you want to talk to him. He strikes you, knocking you down, and arrests you, sending you to jail for the night.

Would you feel that's just the way things are and you pretty much deserved it for getting in his face?

That has to be the most childish comparison I've seen yet!

You got to be kidding me, is there no level you will stoop to, to try to make your point?

A better example would be "I'm protesting, and a group of cops tells me I have to move back behind the line. OK, I move back behind the line and continue my peaceful protest.
I DON'T get in the cops face, after he has already given me a little push to motivate me to follow his instructions, and yell 'DO IT AGAIN"! That is just plain STUPID.

Geezz, I've heard of apples to oranges, but that one was more like apples to dog poop!

Hello:

Cops suck.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

Cops suck.

excon

I agree.

Right up to the point where YOU or someone in YOUR FAMILY needs one.

Then they don't suck so bad.

Hello again, prog:

Tis true... If somebody was breaking into my house, I wouldn't call a hippie.

excon

American Thinker: The broken dream of police brutality in Denver

Hello tom:

Quoting right wing publications doesn't make points with me. Besides, your point, MISSES the point entirely. It doesn't matter how many times the cops were good. It only matters when they're bad.

You're one of the people who wonder why the press doesn't print good news. Can't help you there.

excon

Has Obama referred this alleged violation of rights to the Justice Department, like he does those that criticize him? Or is Obama a part of this problem?

George,
I believe it was ordered by McCain.

The incident that George linked to involved reporters trying to tape Democrat delegates going into a special interest hosted party. Obama (Zeus ) has said that the new Democrat party would not be beholden to special interests .

Ex the fact is that recreate 68 went to Denver with the expressed and very public expectation of causing trouble and provoking the police to react .I think what was witnessed on the video is restraint... a perfectly executed bunt instead of a swing for the fence. The girl was quite a flopper judging from the video. She gets a 10 for her dive.

Tom, you've hit a new low. Congrats. I truly see you as a wife beater now.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Ex the fact is that recreate 68 went to Denver with the expressed and very public expectation of causing trouble and provoking the police to react .I think what was witnessed on the video is restraint ....a perfectly executed bunt instead of a swing for the fence. The girl was quite a flopper judging from the video. She gets a 10 for her dive.

Since we can't see how much road rash she got, I lean more towards maybe a 8.75.

I'd be too afraid to beat my wife. Got to sleep some time...

Yup, that's what I expected - keyboard courage.

Do you think it takes courage to be a wife beater ?

I think it doesn't take courage to say that a 100 pound woman wasn't hit hard enough in your opinion.

To answer your question, no, it doesn't take courage to hit your wife. Any weeny could do it.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I think it doesn't take courage to say that a 100 pound woman wasn't hit hard enough in your opinion.

To answer your question, no, it doesn't take courage to hit your wife. Any weeny could do it.

As a former hittee, I can vouch for the cowardice of wife beaters, at least some of them. My ex is not at all brave around other men. But he was bigger than me and it was easy for him to hurt me. In time, I learned to exploit his cowardice to protect myself.

As for the video, true the cop "only" pushed her down with his nightstick, but I don't imagine that whack felt very good. I just re watched the video and I am convinced he really did send her flying. Having been knocked around a little, that looked realistic. First off, it's simple conservation of momentum. (Like a car hitting a bicycle instead of another car.) Second, she didn't have time to push herself away. The cop is the one who sent her flying. Big guys tend to underestimate their own impact on people much smaller.

Re the arrested reporter. It might be interesting to know who didn't want those pictures taken and why.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Yeah police brutality and authorities do abuse their power. I think it is sad when it is only recognized when it is something of that level while the everyday citizen is told they just have to live with it, ain't nothing you can do about it. Just pay your unfair fine and do your unfair time and go on like nothing happened.

But isn't this the reason you have an armed society? To stand up to this abuse of power? That's what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

Cops suck.

excon

Its sad when cops are viewed like this. And I'm not saying your view is wrong. Im not in the US so I don't know whether this is justified or not. From what I see sometimes I'm sure it is. But generally in Oz the public have nothing but respect for the police. Sure some aren't so good people but overall they do a good job and protect us well. We even feel protected enough not to want to carry guns around in our hip pockets.

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But generally in Oz the public have nothing but respect for the police.

That is true here too .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

That is true here too .

I wouldn't say so. Here's the Digg comments to that same video: Digg - Police slam CodePink protester to the ground

I realize that cops are human beings, and are not perfect, though some think they should always be so and if they are not then "they all suck."

I could not do their job, for their pay, and for what they have to deal with.

God bless them.

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Originally Posted by Skell

But isnt this the reason you have an armed society?? To stand up to this abuse of power?? Thats what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!

Yeah right, who wants to shoot a cop over a $300. Fine or whatever?
People want guns to protect their families against break ins and things like the Trolley Mall
and other random shootings in 'gun free zones'.

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Originally Posted by Skell

But To stand up to this abuse of power?? Thats what the gun advocates are telling me all the time. So if you all don't like it, take out the rifles and start shooting back!

Hello Skell:

We're a patient society... But, not TOO patient. If things continue on the present course, I suggest that there will be a time, in the not to distant future, when our guns WILL be used for that very purpose.

We ARE approaching the status of a police state. We no longer have privacy rights via the 4th Amendment. We no longer may show our displeasure with the government via the 1st Amendment. We no longer have habeas corpus rights via the 5th Amendment.

When it dawns on us that this ain't good, we MIGHT come around, or we'll lose what we've got.

excon

I agree with Ex 100% and I DO see that happening within the next 4 1/2 to 8 yrs.
Right now the general American public is too asleep and complacent to see what is happening right under their noses because it hasn't effected them personally YET.
They say well it is only the 'criminal element' that cops go after so they must of done something to deserve it.
The people that ARE being effected feel too powerless right now.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

in 'gun free zones'.

Does such a place exist?

Yeah we have gun free zones in schools, hospitals, malls, office buildings, work places, problem is if somebody decides they want to kill themselves and take a bunch of people out with them those are the exact places they go for with their guns.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Skell:

We're a patient society...... But, not TOO patient. If things continue on the present course, I suggest that there will be a time, in the not to distant future, when our guns WILL be used for that very purpose.

We ARE approaching the status of a police state. We no longer have privacy rights via the 4th Amendment. We no longer may show our displeasure with the government via the 1st Amendment. We no longer have habeas corpus rights via the 5th Amendment.

When it dawns on us that this ain't good, we MIGHT come around, or we'll lose what we've got.

excon

I suppose the problem as I see it is a lot of people for some reason ARE happy with how you are being governed. Take for example a lot of the people here at AMHD. I'm sure it is a fairly accurate reflection on the society as a whole? If so will this mean only half the people will revolt? What about the other half?

All I've seen so far in this thread only supports the decision on this side of the great pond not to allow anyone to possess and/or carry weapons , unless under strict controls for specific limited use (on fire ranges or for hunting).
Not even most of the police forces carry guns, and are often even more successful in fighting crime that in gun-overloaded US of A.

:>)

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Originally Posted by Skell

What about the other half?

Hello again, Skell:

Half?? I'll be happy with HALF on my side. Besides, you don't expect it to be a cakewalk, do you? Freedom isn't easy to defend. I'm willing to go down swinging.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Skell:

Half??? I'll be happy with HALF on my side. Besides, you don't expect it to be a cakewalk, do you? Freedom isn't easy to defend. I'm willing to go down swinging.

excon

:D I wouldn't expect anything less from you ex.. ;)

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

All I've seen so far in this thread only supports the decision on this side of the great pond not to allow anyone to possess and/or carry weapons , unless under strict controls for specific limited use (on fire ranges or for hunting).
Not even most of the police forces carry guns, and are often even more succesful in fighting crime that in gun-overloaded US of A.

:>)

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I agree. But it is ingrained to heavily in the US culture for it change I fear. I couldn't see it there way for along while and still struggle to. But they can't see it my way either so I just agree to disagree these days. That is until one of them slips up with something way out of right field.

From the paper that captured the video:

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Forrest and CodePink said the officer was reassigned and can no longer interact with demonstrators, but that could not be immediately confirmed Wednesday.

Forrest was in jail about five hours, then spent another two hours talking with the Denver Police Department's Internal Affairs Division, she said.

"So many people were calling them after they saw the video," Forrest said, adding that this was the lone incident she had had with police during the convention.

"All of the police throughout this week have been pretty nice, and pretty cooperative," she said.

Seems like a bit of an overreaction by the cop and those of you bemoaning the 'police brutality' in this country. This was one idiot's mistake... you all have your own bad seeds don't you?