Ask Me Help Desk - Al Gore - the high priest of environmentalism

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

And if you take the unfair usage of energy in the world into account, there is nothing to say against more sharing of all remaining resources on a fair scale.
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Huh?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

No wonder if you relate the US wasting to the situation in Europe, where we have been following a limiting campaign for energy consumption and pollution already since the late 1970's (Club of Rome report).

Better stop the "we're better than Kyoto....nah nah nah" US chest beating, and return to reality .....

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Tell that to the environmentalists that are against nuclear power.

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Originally Posted by George_1950

Huh?

Yes George !
The average US American consumes pro rata 2 x more energy than the average European who lives a similar lifestyle.

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Who do you propose to serve as umpire?

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Originally Posted by George_1950

Who do you propose to serve as umpire?

All I stated (on your request in search for enlightenment) is that the average US American consumes pro rata 2 x more energy than the average European who lives a similar lifestyle. No need for some umpire : that is a fact !

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Yeah ;and they let their grandmothers die in sweaty apartments in Paris while they drive to the Sea on vacation.
USATODAY.com - France heat wave death toll set at 14,802

Pro rata per population that would be as if 75,000 Americans died in the summer from the heat.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

pro rata per population that would be as if 75,000 Americans died in the summer from the heat.

Air conditioning is hardly ever required in Paris. You refer to once-only extreme hot conditions. Normally a fan and an open window suffices. So you are drawing incorrect conclusions, specially with the comparison to American deaths.
But that is not unusual for you to do...

In countries like France, Belgium, Holland, and Denmark, there are many waterways and dikes/levies. Based on your "logic" and referring to New Orleans we should have millions of people drowning here year after year. But they don't...

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Really ? How many Cat. 5 storms hit the dykes of Holland ? I don't even think the flood of 1953 approached that strength.

By the way back then of course 1,835 people were killed in the Netherlands ,307 were killed in the United Kingdom ,and 28 were killed in Belgium. Another 200+ were killed in boats etc.The Schielandse Hoge Zeedijk dyke was almost breached and had that happened 3 million people would've been affected .

During Katrina where levies were breached 1,836 people lost their lives . But that was a cat. 5 hurricane . North Sea Storms although violent ,do not reach that intensity .

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Comments like these are not relating to the topic, and are basically dishonorable and aggressive personal attacks on Gore.

As I stated already several times before : all that is relevant here is that Al Gore was the one bringing the global warming problem to the people : he was instrumental to the awareness people in the US have now of the pollution problem, the CO2 problem, and the resulting global warming and it's consequences ! That is relevant !!! All the rest I see in this topic is neurotic steer produce !

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And if those that control him would not have wanted him to distract the people from other things, he would not even have gotten the chance to make this idea public.
It was time to get people's attention off other crucial subjects that frustrated them (they needed placating) and he was the one that was told to do it. PERIOD.
The politicians, worldwide, want us to believe that we are to blame for the climactic changes, but guess what, evolution did not stop in the year 2000 and it never will, no matter who wants to blame it on 'the people' just for more monetary gains to companies supposedly coming up with ideas to correct what we did wrong. It was also election time throughout and those that contribute all those Euros and Dollars are industrial companies - and they don't give a darn if this planet is still here 25 years from now - they want their contracts, that all. Now, that's the real cow dung! I enjoyed puppet shows as a child, but as an adult, I demand to be able to think for myself, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Chery

It was also election time throughout and those that contribute all those Euros and Dollars are industrial companies - and they don't give a darn if this planet is still here 25 years from now - they want their contracts, that all.

Yup that's a large part of the problem indeed.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Precisely excon ! It is not the messenger : it is the message that is important.
Whatever your views on global warming etc. , it does not hurt to reduce pollution of atmosphere and oceans other than may be in the pocket.
And if you take the unfair usage of energy in the world into account, there is nothing to say against more sharing of all remaining resources on a fair scale.

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So you would have no problem with preachers that cheat on their wife while they are preaching to the church that they will go to hell if they cheat?
I can't believe Credo that you of all people accept the hypocrisy when it seems you preach your hatred of hypocrisy. I don't see how you can separate the message from the messenger.

If you tell everybody that they are killing all the fish in the water and they are to not dump their poisons in the water and then you keep dumping three times more poisons in the water than any of the others ever did HOW can you be taken seriously by anybody?

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

So you would have no problem with preachers that cheat on their wife while they are preaching to the church that they will go to hell if they cheat?

Well while were on that subject - what *did* happen to all those pedophile priests? Did you campaign to have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

I say/said they should be

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Well while were on that subject - what *did* happen to all those pedophile priests? Did you campaign to have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

Unfortunately some people are protected still, no matter how many lives they've ruined on earth. They have more rights than their victims.

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So, we go figure... again and again, and again.

Chery
Exactly it!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

During Katrina where levies were breached 1,836 people lost their lives . But that was a cat. 5 hurricane . North Sea Storms although violent ,do not reach that intensity .

Simply NOT TRUE!! The real cause of the New Orleans disaster was NOT Katrina, but long time mismanagement and lack of maintenance of the levies.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Simply NOT TRUE !!! The real cause of the New Orleans disaster was NOT Katrina, but long time mismanagement and lack of maintenance of the levies.

:rolleyes:

I know this is way beyond the title of this thread, but circumstances here just got 'my dander' up.

OK, I'm getting on my soap-box now, and this is only my opinion, but I believe that I am an average human being with the intelligence to figure out some things on my own without the assistance of your arrogance.
I wish you would use some of your energy and direct it toward those profiteers and war-mongers who are using Africa as a proving ground for years with conventional and biological weapons.

I don't think you give a darn about the people who's lives were lost in New Orleans or the lives lost in Europe through the mud-slides, or in the Tsunamis in past years. You just want to be 'right' all the time.

Yes, there is mismanagement going on all over - where the profiteers think only of themselves.
Those that allow people to build nearer to rivers than what normally the law would allow because there was a lot of money to gain. We don't control the river-flow, but love to control the money-flow.

We don't control the storms and know they are getting worse, but we love to control the money-flow here again in that these profiteers could actually plan ahead and foresee what property will be at high risk. Hey, that makes it easier than asking the population you no longer want in the area to sell their property and move (that would cost more), so you wait for a storm and calculate the damages because you have plans for that geographical area.

Profiteers work from one end of the world to the other - be it an Island or a Continent - and the losses are calculated as 'collateral damage'.

But, you, make it sound as if it is exclusively an American trait... and this is where I think you are overdoing it.

The Chinese flooded an entire geographical area without thinking of what the 'people' wanted and calculated the damages. And if it were not for the Americans, Europe would be speaking chinese sooner than planned - and I think it will actually happen, because I believe that this is a long-term plan and has been for years. Ah, the beauty of capitalism from that area... it's just sneaking up starting with industrial espionage, taking over banks, sending their students to European schools and before you know it.. (just start learning the language so that you get a headstart).

Let us not forget the EU, South America, Mexico, Korea, etc. Oh, and Venice will probably wind up the modern-day Atlantis and we can watch it happen.

Hey, if you're lucky there might be some money in it for you currupt politicians and profiteers of the world. You know who you are, and probably look down on us average 'people' because we don't count in your scheme of things to come. Just because I can't fight you, does not mean that I am unaware or dumb.

Again, evolution will take place whether we want it or not.. Unfortunately corruption and profiteering will take place too and some are trying to correct this but it will not happen overnight and certainly not without fear of being assassinated by those that don't like interfering in their plans.

I am also sure that the people in Canada and the United States are aware of internal issues and are seeking ways and means to correct them - without needing your constant berating. We do that all very well on our own, thank you. Instead of berating, we start learning more and educating the leaders of our future (our children) as best as we can without inbreeding hate wherever possible.

Do you have children, and what do you teach them??

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Originally Posted by Chery

I know this is way beyond the title of this thread, but circumstances here just got 'my dander' up.
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Do you have children, and what do you teach them????

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Trust, but verify.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

All I stated (on your request in search for enlightenment) is that the average US American consumes pro rata 2 x more energy than the average European who lives a similar lifestyle. No need for some umpire : that is a fact !:

A fact which means what? How is it unfair that Americans consume more energy than others? Per Capita consumption according to this Wiki, Americans use 7794.8 kgoe/y. Let's look at the other leaders:

Qatar: 21395.8
United Arab Emirates: 10538.7
Bahrain: 10250.5
Luxembourg: 9408.8
Netherlands Antilles: 9198.5
Kuwait: 9076
Trinidad and Tobago: 8555.1
Canada: 8300.7

Let's hear it for Qatar, they use nearly 3 times the energy per capita than Americans. Three other Middle Eastern countries, Luxembourg, a Dutch territory and our good neighbors to the north all use more energy than Americans. Let's direct the complaints toward the real energy hogs like Qatar, Luxembourg, Canada and The Goracle shall we?

WOW!

I am SHOCKED at those numbers!

Canada has a land area of aprox. 9,093,507 sq. miles.

The United States has a land area of aprox. 9,161,923 sq. miles.

That is VERY close in the total area of land per country.

However:

Population of Canada July 2007 aprox. 33,390,141

Population of United States July 2007 aprox. 301,139,947

I would say those numbers show that the United States is pretty darn good, at conserving energy, wouldn't you?

It is no use trying to convince Cred that other countries are worse than America on some things. He said years ago that America was the worst offender of polluting this planet and I posted stuff saying some places in China were and he insisted I was wrong that America wasn't the worst offender.

Linfen, China: This city of more than four million is in the heart of Shanxi, China's coal-production hub, and has frequently been deemed the most polluted city in the world; citizens suffer from choking clouds of coal dust as well as drinking water polluted with arsenic. But Linfen is not the only city in the country with environmental woes—the World Bank estimates that 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are found in China's industrial areas.

Runners up:
Haina, Dominican Republic;
Ranipet, India;
Mailuu-Suu, Kyrgyzstan;
And Rudnaya Pristan, Russia

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

It is no use trying to convince Cred that other countries are worse than America on some things.

I know Sapphire, why let facts get in the way of some good ol' anti-American outrage?

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

It is no use trying to convince Cred that other countries are worse than America on some things. He said years ago that America was the worst offender of polluting this planet and I posted stuff saying some places in China were and he insisted I was wrong that America wasn't the worst offender.

Linfen, China: This city of more than four million is in the heart of Shanxi, China's coal-production hub, and has frequently been deemed the most polluted city in the world; citizens suffer from choking clouds of coal dust as well as drinking water polluted with arsenic. But Linfen is not the only city in the country with environmental woes—the World Bank estimates that 16 of the world's 20 most polluted cities are found in China's industrial areas.

Runners up:
Haina, Dominican Republic;
Ranipet, India;
Mailuu-Suu, Kyrgyzstan;
and Rudnaya Pristan, Russia

I know, honey, but I just had to let my American half in me put it's 2-cents worth in because I'm sick and tired of hearing frustrated individuals using the US as a scapegoat for their problems.
No country is perfect, but most realize that there is room for improvement and some continue to brainwash.

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That's what lets people like Hitler emerge throughout history. It's sad.

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Originally Posted by Chery

I know, honey, but I just had to let my American half in me put it's 2-cents worth in because I'm sick and tired of hearing frustrated individuals using the US as a scapegoat for their problems.
No country is perfect, but most realize that there is room for improvement and some continue to brainwash.

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Exactly

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I'm sick and tired of hearing frustrated individuals using the US as a scapegoat for their problems.

Your about to hear 100,000 Germans do that while BO makes his campaign speech with a backdrop that Hitler was particularly fond of using .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Your about to hear 100,000 Germans do that while BO makes his campaign speech with a backdrop that Hitler was particularily fond of using .

Congratulations you've enacted Godwin's Law. See also Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems to be what I see liberals doing when they yell fascist conservative.
I never see that backed up with anything.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Your about to hear 100,000 Germans do that while BO makes his campaign speech with a backdrop that Hitler was particularly fond of using .

Yeah and the McCain camp caught Obama speaking out of both sides of his mouth yesterday on an issue we've both raised concerning the hypocrisy on the left:

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Obama today at Yad Vashem:

“Let our children come here and know this history so they can add their voices to proclaim ‘never again.’ And may we remember those who perished, not only as victims but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us and who have become symbols of the human spirit.”

Obama on July 20, 2007:

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

“Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Obama says we can't use the military for humanitarian intervention, tells the Israelis "never again" and then jets off to speak from one of Hitler's favorite backdrops, has the gall to quote the mayor of Berlin on persevering toward freedom in telling the world to "do your duty," but cannot force himself to admit the surge is working and commit to sticking around Iraq long enough to ensure "never again" for the Iraqi people?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Your about to hear 100,000 Germans do that while BO makes his campaign speech with a backdrop that Hitler was particularily fond of using .

Good thing I have this site, movies and cable TV and can choose not to watch this historic event. I have not listened to the news either concerning B.O's visit or upcoming speech. And, when the germans around me start talking about the subject, I'm out of there! That's my way of avoiding the ignorance that will only frustrate me - just because I'm too old and physically weak to bother dishing out some of my emotions. Besides, they'd only be wasted on those who would not have lived so prosperous the last 50 years without the US's support.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

seems to be what I see liberals doing when they yell fascist conservative.

Where did you get THAT from?

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Besides, they'd only be wasted on those who would not have lived so prosperous the last 50 years without the US's support.

Right on! I have frequently said that without the American defense umbrella ,Europe could never've afforded the nanny-state they concocted .

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Congratulations you've enacted Godwin's Law. See also Reductio ad Hitlerum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Over the past 8 years it seems to be one of the left's most popular trespasses.

Ads compare Bush to Hitler

Bush and Hitler Compare and Contrast

31 Similarities Between Hitler and President Bush

Bush Family Nazis

Bush-Hitler: Hypnotizing The Masses

Bush IS Hitler

What's your point, NK? How many times have you trespassed?

NK

In the last day I was accused on the other site of being fascist . That has been a frequent charge levelled against the right .
I think words like "Bush*tler " have become part of the vernacular.

{stupid editing function on site would not let me add the "i" to the word.}

Guys, you're all over the place. It's not about fascism and it's an old Usenet meme that's directed at the workings of a discussion board. Did you not even read it?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Where did you get THAT from?

Choux says it all the time and Look at the Bush*itler links speech just posted.

The tactics are the same from the left only different terms
Whether you use socialist, fascist or whatever it is all the same name game and the left seems best at playing it.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Choux says it all the time and Look at the Bush*itler links speech just posted.

The tactics are the same from the left only different terms
whether you use socialist, fascist or whatever it is all the same name game and the left seems best at playing it.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post1169853

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...ml#post1132312

Also see speechlesstx #72 this page links...

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Guys, you're all over the place. It's not about fascism and it's an old Usenet meme that's directed at the workings of a discussion board. Did you not even read it?

You're right it, isn't about fascism. It's about double standards... which is what we were addressing.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You're right it, isn't about fascism. It's about double standards ... which is what we were addressing.

What double-standards?? Did you read the link? It's only about the workings of threads in a discussion board, it doesn't even mention liberal or conservative!

It is a double standard simply because each side is using the same tactics and pointing fingers. So over all it is double standard on each sides part.