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Hillary started in Pennsylvania with 16 percentage points ahead of Barack six weeks ago. Her lead has dwindled and for Barack, a loss of 12 points are less is considered a victory. Also campaign disheartening for Hillary is the fact that she could get the populace vote in the State, but probably doesn't pick up many delegates out of a win.
You've been quite content with these traits in your president for the last 8 years so why is it such a problem when its Obama? (not that I agree with your assessment)Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Did you watch Stephanopoulos' Sunday's inteview with McCain ? He was trying to reestablish his liberal cred and asked tough questions of McCain... which McCain hit out of the park. Evita is right in that if Obama can't handle tough questions from relatively friendly interviewers how is he going to handle a face off with the Mahdi-hatter ?Quote:
I can't wait until the media get hold of McCain and his "issues".
Skell, actually I've acknowledged many a Bush problem the past few years but what I don't buy is the constant portrayal of him as an idiot because he can't say "nuclear." That's the difference here, nobody is insulting Obama's intelligence. If the guy can't give a consistent, confident answer to the tough questions he's rightfully facing now, how can we trust his character and coolness under fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skell
Only the very vocal neo-con minority here aren't satisfied with his rebuttals of smear attempts (and frankly you guys never will be, this is your bread and butter), the vast majority are impressed with the way he has handled himself.
Hello:
Obama bama bo bama, ramaa dama do dama, Obama presy po presy, PRESIDENT, yeah man.
excon
NK, the reason they are impressed is they get a thrill up their leg any time he speaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
He's THAT good!
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I live in Pa no one ever asked me who I am voting for so I don't know where they get these numbers from. I Voted for Obama this morning! Besides She needs to win By a LARGE margin here to even put a dent in his lead and I don't see that happening.
Thank you, spitvenom. I hope there are more who feel like you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
I don't know what large margin means . I think she gets a double digit win today;or close enough to convince her to plod on. I see Obama bowed out of the NC debate. What ? Is he afraid of tough questions from Kaity Couric ?
Tom, you need to worry about the upcoming debates when Obama gives McCain and his rhetoric support no place to hide. The Democrats have debated a new record number of time already, I think 20 or 21. How many debates did the Pubs have? McCain should had had more debates Huckabee, but he didn't. The Pubs were so chicken of Ron Paul they didn't want him at the debates as all. According to the talking heads of news commentary, if Hillary gets a 13 or more point win in Pennsylvania that's considered a large margin victory for her.
The talking heads are Obama cheerleaders. You see how they rallied to his defense when he was asked some challenging questions by Charles Gibson ? Everyone concentrates on his exchange about Bill Ayers but fails to mention his bumbling answers about Capital Gains taxes. It did not matter to him that his hero JFK reduced Cap gains taxes for the stimulous effect ;or that Bill Clinton's cap gain reduction led to a balanced budget. To Obama it was a matter of fairness. I don't care if it's good for the economy . It doesn't fit in with my socialist indoctrination.
Hello wingers:
It's clear, the only reason you're on Obama's case, is cause you know he can beat McCain, whereas you don't think Hillary can.
Why don't you be upfront about it? Something you righty's just can't do, huh?
excon
Tom- Are you kidding me? ABC has become the Hillary network and Fox with addition of Karl Roves is Pub at least seventy percent of the time along with most talk radio. I'm not going to champion Bush economics despite JFK's reduction in Cap Gain tax. The dynamics changed when Reagan and Herbert Walker put large corps in the driver's seat. I'm done with the Clinton's, but to Bill's credit he was running policy for one country, not burdening his nation with nine billion dollars a month in the Iraqi war. McCain's no different. He's closer to Dubya, than X, Y, and Z.
In truth I think they will have an easier time with Obama because of 2 factors . 1. he will be the most radical lefty to run ever 2. I think that race would play a part in the decision. I think it is probable that when polled a larger majority of Evita supporters say they would cross over and vote McCain.
I don't like Evita ;but I think she would be a better national security President than Obama. He has also displayed a redistributional doctrinaire economic position on things like taxes.
Your hero JFK reduced cap gains taxes to stimulate the economy . BJ Clinton used Cap gains reductions to balance the budget. Obama wants to rasie them in excess of 28% over issues of "fairness" .
I am looking for the best President . Of the two remaning Dems Obama has proven himself not ready for prime time .
Tom- this election is coming on the heals of Dubya's disastrous second term. Barnum and Bailey could throw in a clown and beat the Republicans come November. Let's say, hypothetically the Dems give up a hefty twenty percent swing to McCain after one of the two Dems candidate loses nomination. Did you realize that still wouldn't be enough? Taxation? Somebody is going to be taxed and I don't care what any of the politicians claim to the contrary, Republican or Democrat. We have huge debts and if we can get them paid down in my lifetime, and that also means to stop spending like maniacs (thanks to Dubya the Republican useless war nut and a Democratic Congress), perhaps someday we leave our children the American dream intact. Who knows we might even have some Social Security to retire on. Of course there are more than just taxes to raise revenues, but the current administration hasn't been business savvy on most citizen's behalf.
I see no reason to believe the blue State Red State dynamic won't continue this cycle give or take a few swing states. As for tonight ;the big unknown is the Amish vote :)
Ex, it's looking more and more like McCain can beat either of them - but if he doesn't I'd rather have "the lesser of two evils" so to speak. I think Obama would be an absolute disaster. Sure, everyone will love us again because the Obamas' self-loathing brand of liberalism will lead him to genuflect to the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Where people get this "hope" and optimism from Obama is beyond me. Obama whining about facing tough questions, his elitist, condescending attitude toward "bitter" working Americans and Michelle "first time I've really been proud of my country" Obama's guilt is depressing. Take this from Michelle who says of America, 'life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear.” She speaks of her own "constant sense of guilt... It’s guilt, feeling guilty all the time.”
Hope? Yeah, that's it... how about we just have mass group therapy sessions for all these self-loathing guilt-ridden elitists instead of putting them in charge?
Where's the self-loathing part?Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
1) Economy and 2) war. I suspect the GOP has infiltrated their communities and that for many Amish they just stay at home, farming, crocheting, and baking pies during today's Democratic primary. :)
Michelle expressed it ("constant sense of guilt," we're a country that's “just downright mean"), and Obama is cashing in on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I figure since No one called me or anyone I know to ask who we are voting for this poll is just as good! This is from philly.com (the daily news website)
Obama supporters may consider it a joyful noise. Clinton's, an unholy racket.
On N. Broad Street at Girard, a half-dozen Obama fans standing on a concrete median, holding signs entreating passing motorists to "Honk for Obama."
The majority of drivers are complying. There's a whole lot of beeping goin' on
Maybe this is why no called anyone I know about who we are voting for so this must be how they get their polling information.
Bill Clinton has a new strategy, blaming the Democrats' process, "We don't have a nominee here because the Democrats chose a system that prevents that result." Seems I mentioned that after the Texas primary where Clinton won the popular vote but Obama got more delegates. It's hard to figure out where the Dems stand on this popular vote thing, they want it for the general election, Obama had no problem taking more delegates even though he had fewer votes in Texas, but wants the superdelegates to base their decision on him winning the popular vote. I think Bill is right.
Oh, so you made it up, got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
I agree with you, Tomder! Hillary IS the stronger on national security when compared to Obama among many other things. Hillary has had her husband deal with it every day for EIGHT years! Don't you think that gives her a great "in" on that matter! Of course it does! However, one has to pause to consider why she is not winning more. It's because the public is enamoured with the black candidate rather than the woman candidate because he is a smooth-talker but rather short on substance to get the country "battery-charged" to run great again as when Hillary's husband was President! And the public gets bored way too easily with details as Clinton Provides (check out her website!) and would rather listen to and follow a follower than a LEADER like Hillary. Obama follows the Rev. and others. Hillary follows her conscience that guides her to a great plan she has outlined on her website that will surely help to start solving the nation's problems. Obama would rather waffle with reporters, say cutsie-tootsie quips about his opponent, brush his shoulder with over-stated arrogance and avoid answering the Real Questions that Hillary is not afraid to answer. She's not afraid to go into the lion's den and even if she's not popular with the lions! She goes to confront Goliath and in the process grabs the bull by the horns. That is why one just has to admire her among many other things! She has impressed me greatly by meeting with those who are not with her politically! In this regard, Obama shows great weakness while Hillary's Strength continues to Surge Skyward! But some, most unfortunately, seem to appreciate more a good male actor rather than a True Leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
She couldn't even grab Bill's bull by the horn and she's married to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
Is that in reference to rapture theology? I've got some reality check news for you, but that's a whole other subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
You're welcome, once again, George!Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
HILLARY TAKES PENNSYLVANIA! Gotta Love It!!
And yes, Obama did sink his candidacy (and BIG $$$ MONEY $$$) in PA. and it still did him literally no good in the end. Hillary was outspent by more than 2 to 1 and still she took the Big state! Guess Obama was just too bitter for those Pennsylvanians' liking! But they sure sweetened up to Hillary! You're right, George, if dem Dems are smart, they will deep-six Obama before the convention as Obama hasn't won the big states yet either with all his money or his hoopla! GREAT GOING HEE-REE!! This gives her great Momentum to continue and attract even more Superdelegates! She's on the roll now!
Try to keep up. She was supposed to take Pennsylvania due to demographics. She had a sixteen point lead just six weeks ago, currently hoovering around a ten point margin in the primary, but might not get double digits in the final count. BTW Hillary's begging for campaign charity like those televangelists that mostly far right-wingers entertain. How much money have you donated?
That was about the polls. And now --- Major Networks are reporting that Hillary has raised about 10 MILLION DOLLARS in the 24 hours after her double-digit Victory in Pennsylvania! Everyone thought it would be a single digit win but even at 10 it becomes DOUBLE-DIGIT for those who don't understand it. Also, it appears that Obama outspent her in the PA. primary by over 5 to 1 not 2 to 1 as previously thought! How 'bout that! Hillary is positioning herself well for the remaining states and Superdelegates who are not locked in to either candidate right now! Great Going Hillary -- CONGRATULATIONS on your Pennsylvania win and may there be Many more!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyGem
I absolutely agree... wake up!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by progunr
George please correct me if I am wrong about this;Quote:
Originally Posted by George_1950
There never really was or is a "fund for social security and the collected dollars are "dumped' into a 'common fund?"
Our present federal income tax law is a temporary law and must be voted upon ever2 or 3 years to "renew" it?
Stringer
Social Security taxes go into the 'general fund', as far as I know. There is no trust fund. But I recall in 1964: a teacher told me that budget surpluses were like manure: they just sat around and smelled. This teacher knew what LBJ was proposing, but no one anticipated how expensive it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer
The income tax law is anything but temporary. The country was founded w/o it, but a constitutional amendment, around 1916, approved the use of income taxes; the guise was paying for WW I; but taxes are rarely reduced, much less repealed. The 'Bush tax cuts' are considered temporary because they are supposed to expire in 2010 or thereabouts.
Stringer --
Trust Fund FAQs
No, the tax law isn't renewed every few years.
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