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Nothing more than a personal opinion. Still, if you really believe that's true, then why did you point me to an article which was dependent on a passage from a book which you claim should not be in the Bible? Did you even read the article???

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I've read it very carefully at least three times. Why are you being condescending?

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No, I will not go to another pointless article. If you have a point to make, then make it yourself.

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Heaven is only a stop on the way to Paradise, or, as Chad wrote, "Heaven is a very nice spot to 'spend the night,' but it’s anything but our new home."

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So after denying you were being condescending, you become condescending yet again.

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What's your definition of condescending?

Fair enough, but then why did you direct me to an article based upon a passage in Revelation when you don't even think Revelation should be in the NT? Your own theory just completely blows up the article.

Definition of condescending? This is a good one. "having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority."

Your comment about Revelation being written during the reign of Nero is simply not true. Nero died in 68 A.D. Revelation was written towards the end of the first century, nearly thirty years later.

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Fair enough, but then why did you direct me to an article based upon a passage in Revelation when you don't even think Revelation should be in the NT? Your own theory just completely blows up the article.

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You believe in a physical, fiery hell. The article explains exactly what hell is.

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Definition of condescending? This is a good one. "having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority."

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If you stop, I'll stop.

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Your comment about Revelation being written during the reign of Nero is simply not true. Nero died in 68 A.D. Revelation was written towards the end of the first century, nearly thirty years later.

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Please research this.

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You believe in a physical, fiery hell. The article explains exactly what hell is.

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It's not what I believe. It's what Jesus declared.

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Please research this.

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Too late. I already have. Your statement is just flat wrong. It is widely believed that Revelation was the last of the NT books written and was produced in the final decade of the first century.

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If you stop, I'll stop.

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Deal. At least you are now admitting that you were, indeed, condescending.

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It's not what I believe. It's what Jesus declared.

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Please read that blog post for a better understanding of what hell is.

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Too late. I already have. Your statement is just flat wrong. It is widely believed that Revelation was the last of the NT books written and was produced in the final decade of the first century.

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Please research this.

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Deal. At least you are now admitting that you were, indeed, condescending.

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Nope, am just trying to placate you. :-)

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Nope, am just trying to placate you. :-)

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So you are going to stop that which you were not doing? Sorry, but as we say down here, "That dog just won't hunt."

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Please research this.

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Take your own advice. I've been doing that for the past twenty years. You're just wrong and you don't want to admit it.

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Please read that blog post for a better understanding of what hell is.

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Pretty sure they don't have a better explanation than Jesus did. I read one article. If that one's a loser like your first one was since, according to you, it was based on a book that's not supposed to be in the Bible, then I'm done.

In John 3:16 it says that whoever believes in Jesus, "would not perish". What do you think "perish" means in that passage? Honest question.

What do you say we move this discussion over to the "God of Love" thread and let Tom have his topic back. Deal?

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What do you say we move this discussion over to the "God of Love" thread and let Tom have his topic back. Deal?

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Tom and you both started the break, so sure. But isn't that the wonder and beauty and excitement of this site? -- seeing what detours a thread takes???

whatever . Australia is doing Orwellian responses to "crisis" . We did the same thing 20 years ago . We now have a surveillance deep state that has the capacity of taking down a President they don't like and monitors us extensively also . Iphones already have facial recognition technology they use for ID "protection" to unlock the phone . The government can already tap into your iPhone camera and microphone at will, with software that makes doing so as easy as a Google search. They allegedly need a court order to do so, Well the Russia hoax demonstrated how easy that is to obtain. All it takes is the weakest pretext of probable cause .

As for the difference between paradise and heaven ? I don't dwell on it . My works is my passport . After that God's will be done .

Big government is still a huge problem. Your post illustrates why. Many people have a desire to impose their will on others, and using the power of government to do so just comes naturally to them. Freedom is never the natural outworking of man. It is unnatural and so must be treasured and defended, much like a garden.

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My works is my passport . After that God's will be done .

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Might want to read Romans on that one.

yeah ,yeah I simplified it . I don't do complex religion . Faith is a key part .A scumbag was forgiven by Jesus on the cross .

We are all scumbags relative to God.

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It's really sad to see what is happening to Australia. When the state becomes king, then freedoms are casually cast aside.

There are anti-lockdown riots all over Europe . The Dutch Police fired on rioters in Rotterdam .There were also violent protests in Brussels . In Austria they are locking down anyone who is not vaxed .

meanwhile in Australia ;The army is now transferring positive Covid cases and contacts in the Northern Territories to ‘Quarantine Camps’ by army truck.

The whole deal in Aussie land is somewhat shocking to me. I thought they had a higher regard for liberty.