Surely, you jest!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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Surely, you jest!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Surely he does jest Athos, and Tom loves to poke the bear knowing full well that widespread comprehensive testing is the only way to facilitate a successful SAFE economic opening. The dufus loves to say stuff that makes him seem tough, but never articulates a thoughtful plan. Repubs are notorious for that. Remember repeal and replace? Anybody seen a replace though we have hundreds of votes to repeal?
here is my plan ; open up and permit everyone to live their lives . Guidelines have been established . It is clear from your California brethren that you can't keep free people locked up forever . You close down bars ;people throw parties like they did in New York . Does il duce think by making the law harder that this will change ?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coro...acers/2494189/
We have already made significant sacrifices based on the assurance that lock downs are temporary and things like vaccines will very soon come on the market that will make this whole experience a thing of the past . But what if that isn't the case ? What if the best science can do is come up with a vaccine that is at best 50% reliable ? Or what if immunity is temporary ? Or what if the virus mutates like the flu annually and we are subject to regular cycles of infection ? It is one thing to say we will disrupt life for months or maybe a year . But what if life with the threat of the virus is the new normal ? Humans are social animals. I would say humans need to work to survive but you guys are well on your way to establishing workarounds for that . Of course who will pay for them is the rub. Children need to go to school . Infections have gone up and mortality rates are dropping to flu like levels . We have a profile of who is vulnerable to severe cases and most of the rest of the population that get mild cases or in many cases are asymptomatic . Enough with the delays .
According to NATURE, if there had been no lockdowns in the US from 3 March to 6 April, the number of cases would have grown to a shocking 60 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
That assurance has been made by no one except your hero Trump. He repeats it even though it never has happened.Quote:
We have already made significant sacrifices based on the assurance that lock downs are temporary and things like vaccines will very soon come on the market that will make this whole experience a thing of the past
All those questions may or may not be answered. All that can be done is wait. At present, the safest way to wait is by staying home, wearing masks and washing hands. Ignoring the virus is NOT the way to proceed. It's madness.Quote:
But what if that isn't the case ? What if the best science can do is come up with a vaccine that is at best 50% reliable ? Or what if immunity is temporary ? Or what if the virus mutates like the flu annually and we are subject to regular cycles of infection ?
This kind of talk promotes hysteria. It's been a relatively short time for Covid so far. We don't know when it will slow down or be eliminated. What we DO know is that it can be mitigated NOW by taking the steps mentioned.Quote:
It is one thing to say we will disrupt life for months or maybe a year . But what if life with the threat of the virus is the new normal ? Humans are social animals. I would say humans need to work to survive but you guys are well on your way to establishing workarounds for that . Of course who will pay for them is the rub. Children need to go to school . Infections have gone up and mortality rates are dropping to flu like levels . We have a profile of who is vulnerable to severe cases and most of the rest of the population that get mild cases or in many cases are asymptomatic . Enough with the delays .
The dufus's latest edict with no plan is open the schools and deport international students. Of course Harvard and MIT are filing a lawsuit.
yes open the schools it can be done. https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...c7&oe=5F29E440
Recess? Bathroom breaks? Classroom discussions? Teacher instruction? Lunchtime? Gym class? Riding on the school buses?Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Wonder who cleans those cubicles after every class?
oh my God ! Don't let them touch the door nobs or sit on the toilets !!! Take the next generation and put them in bubble wrap . Come on !Quote:
Recess? Bathroom breaks? Classroom discussions? Teacher instruction? Lunchtime? Gym class? Riding on the school buses?
job opportunity for sanitation specialists aka janitors .Quote:
Wonder who cleans those cubicles after every class?
The responses to this op demonstrate you dont have a clue and fully deserve the mess you are in
Apparently you haven't heard that the huge increase in covid cases have been traced back to a 45 rally in Tulsa. Am waiting to hear the covid stats from the July 3rd and 4th rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
And you don't have any school-age grandchildren and nieces/nephews?
LOL, wait till he gets the bill to bubble wrap the kids before sending them to school. I'm sure he will be thrilled!
what i have heard is the CDC admits a positive just means you might have had the common cold maybe this is what trump means when he says 99% of covid cases arnt seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
How ever maybe thats why there are many cases in victoria been a lot of testing there
Testing positive means you must be isolated for 14 days, and unless you do you will infect others and probably have already. Hospitalizations are up, and that's not good either. Think about it, the ones you don't test are potential spreaders, maybe unknowingly, and unwittily, but no less dangerous. For sure though knowing who to isolate and for how long is critical, so the notion that 99% of cases is an abject LIE!
If this is like the flu then it's a really really bad one.
What I do know is that cases among young children are extremely rare with a mortality rate at zero .And it is as rare that kids transmit the virus to others . Keeping kids out of school is ridiculous are cruel to the kidsQuote:
Apparently you haven't heard that the huge increase in covid cases have been traced back to a 45 rally in Tulsa. Am waiting to hear the covid stats from the July 3rd and 4th rallies.
And you don't have any school-age grandchildren and nieces/nephews?
Keeping kids in school is cruel to the teachers who may contract the virus. What is it about social distancing and lockdown do you not understand, you cannot effectively distance in schools and kids are not immune, it is just that the disease targets those with health and lifestyle problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...ading-covid-19
It's okay to make decisions for your kids, but not mine. There is always the possibility that your kid can effect you and anyone else even if they don't get very sick themselves and while school is crucially important when not be safe about it? I guess the society that does nothing to protect it's kids against school shootings would have no regard for school safety against diseases either.
Tal and 'clete are right. And we have no idea about long-term effects of covid-19 on kids as they grow up and become adults.
You do realize that schools in Europe are up and running ? In Texas they are giving parents the choice . Guess the kids who don't have access to computers at home are SOL .
I give you the American Pediatrics Association :
you can read the whole thing here .Quote:
...the AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school. The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.
Policy makers must also consider the mounting evidence regarding COVID-19 in children and adolescents, including the role they may play in transmission of the infection. SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families, and the community by keeping children at home.
Finally, policy makers should acknowledge that COVID-19 policies are intended to mitigate, not eliminate, risk. No single action or set of actions will completely eliminate the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission, but implementation of several coordinated interventions can greatly reduce that risk. For example, where physical distance cannot be maintained, students (over the age of 2 years) and staff can wear face coverings (when feasible). In the following sections, we review some general principles that policy makers should consider as they plan for the coming school year. For all of these, education for the entire school community regarding these measures should begin early, ideally at least several weeks before the start of the school year.
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/
As for the teachers ;they are ESSENTIAL workers in the country and as such should be subject to the same work environment as every other essential worker in the country who show up every day ! Teachers can wear masks too !!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eturn-covid-19Quote:
The reopening of schools in 22 European countries has not led to any significant increase in coronavirus infections among children, parents or staff, a videoconference meeting of education ministers from around the EU has heard.......
Every place but the USA shutdown until they got the virus under control. We cannot duplicate what they are doing without doing the work involved at least to the extent the NY metroplex did.
That's the flaw in the dufus/conservative plan to reopen everything. See the difference?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/0...ta-ldn-vpx.cnn
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