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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

This whole thread illustrates what is tricky in American politics. It begins with, , and ends with a statement that the WSJ had verified the story. Then it is pointed out that, no, it is not true, and so the WSJ must have had it wrong.

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The thread has been confirmed not only by the WSJ but also by ABC News, UPI, AP and just about every other legitimate media outlet which covered and followed the story (including the cable news channels and FOX - Trump's private channel).

It must be hard on you to consistently put down on imperishable internet sites your errors and mistakes that are shown as such by verifiable accounts from dozens of other sources.

I don't know why you do this other than to follow Trump who is making a career of lying daily and then repeating such a lie a day later even after incontrovertible proof has been shown that his comment is a lie!

Thank you, WG, for also pointing out the error, and noting the source was Trump's White House.

Oh angry man, would ABC News be enough for you?

(WASHINGTON) -- Despite preliminary discussions to the contrary, U.S. Navy leaders decided not to cover up the name of the USS John S. McCain, as requested by the White House, prior to President Donald Trump's visit to Japan, U.S. officials told ABC News. http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politi...rump-visi.html

The only links I can find that say it was Trump are all many days old. There evidently was a request made by some lower official in the White House, but it was never carried out.

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I don't know why you do this other than to follow Trump who is making a career of lying daily and then repeating such a lie a day later even after incontrovertible proof has been shown that his comment is a lie!

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I do this because the truth is important. There is no evidence Trump lied about this. In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.

I actually was not making a statement against you. I was simply pointing out how the story had changed since about 10 days ago when it first became public. Calm down. The whole world is not against you.

Trump, June 9, 2019:

MEXICO HAS AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!

*cough* America's agricultural exports to Mexico already total $18 billion. Trump is like a rooster taking credit for sunrise.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I do this because the truth is important. There is no evidence Trump lied about this. In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.

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Where does Athos say the request originated with Trump?

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Where does Athos say the request originated with Trump?

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"There is no end to this bozo's narcissism." The statement would be senseless if he was not clearly intimating that Trump was the source of the order. Now I would agree that Trump is narcissistic, but this story does not lend support to that idea.

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*cough* America's agricultural exports to Mexico already total $18 billion. Trump is like a rooster taking credit for sunrise.

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Suppose they increase to 24 bil. Would that make Trump correct?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

"There is no end to this bozo's narcissism." The statement would be senseless if he was not clearly intimating that Trump was the source of the order. Now I would agree that Trump is narcissistic, but this story does not lend support to that idea.

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Is waltero sharing his comic books with you? Athos started out by saying, "The White House ordered the name of the USS McCain covered by a tarp during Trump's visit to Japan."

We all know the guy is narcissistic. As do his protective lackeys in the WH.

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There is no end to this bozo's narcissism.

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So what do you suppose he meant by that? The statement has to have some connection to his initial post. What does it mean? Why say it if it doesn't clearly convey the idea that the order originated with Trump?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Suppose they increase to 24 bil. Would that make Trump correct?

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Nope!

Suppose the dufus just shuts up for a while. His silence would make him correct as compared to his lying exaggerations. I'd be happy!

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

So what do you suppose he meant by that? The statement has to have some connection to his initial post. What does it mean?

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He meant Trump will do anything to inflate his own ego -- or have others help him do so. And yes, it was definitely in the realm of possibility and very believable that Trump ordered the covering of the ship name so he wouldn't have to see it.

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Nope!

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Yeah. I'm sure you're right. Who cares about a 33% increase in sales? Now if Obama had done that, you would be singing his praises.

Politics. Pure politics.

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He meant Trump will do anything to inflate his own ego -- or have others help him do so. And yes, it was definitely in the realm of possibility and very believable that Trump ordered the covering of the ship name so he wouldn't have to see it.

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It makes no sense to make the statement without conveying the idea that the order originated with Trump. Take off your liberal colored glasses.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Yeah. I'm sure you're right. Who cares about a 33% increase in sales? Now if Obama had done that, you would be singing his praises.

Politics. Pure politics.

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If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go. The agriculture reference was to avoid the immigration reference. You know how Trump deflects.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It makes no sense to make the statement without conveying the idea that the order originated with Trump. Take off your liberal colored glasses.

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There's a very obvious way to rationally and reasonably counter what I said without insulting me. Sorry you're missing it.

If a person wants to demonstrate that Trump is a narcissist, why would he use an example of another person issuing an order? Your take just does not make sense.

Trump has done nothing that amounts to the gross mismanagement and indifference to American lives demonstrated by Obama and Clinton at Benghazi, and then the well-orchestrated, intentional lying that went on afterwards to insure Obama's reelection.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

If a person wants to demonstrate that Trump is a narcissist, why would he use an example of another person issuing an order? Your take just does not make sense.

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This was more an example of a dufus staffer either sucking up, or thinking the boss is to much an emotionally immature nincompoop that would embarrass himself in public over such a thing, or and we can never know the dufus lied when he said he had no knowledge of the order which he has done before. Like he had no knowledge of paying a porn star to shut up about an affair, okay any married man would do that or he had no knowledge of his staffers meeting Russians, or he was exonerated by the Mueller report.

Can't blame anyone for not believing a word he says.

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Trump has done nothing that amounts to the gross mismanagement and indifference to American lives demonstrated by Obama and Clinton at Benghazi, and then the well-orchestrated, intentional lying that went on afterwards to insure Obama's reelection.

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You wish! You just had to bring up that Benghazi BS to deflect from the CURRENT conversation, about the CURRENT prez, knowing good and darn NOBODY in HISTORY lies as much as the dufus! You are just wrong to keep beating that dead horse, since it's obvious the dufus has to stokes his right wing loony base so he can get re elected and stay out of jail himself.

Pure politics as you say? That's an accurate statement about the CURRENT state of affairs dufus style.

I brought it up because WG said, "If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go", but the Benghazi incident was far worse than anything Trump has done and yet she seemed to have tolerated it quite well.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I brought it up because WG said, "If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go", but the Benghazi incident was far worse than anything Trump has done and yet she seemed to have tolerated it quite well.

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What about the Niger incident and Trump's shaming the widow of one of the four slain Green Berets?

1. In what way was Trump responsible for the Niger incident?

2. He was clumsy in what he said to the widow, but it did not cause any loss of life.

Interesting to me that you would bring up those incidents about Trump, but give Obama a complete pass about Benghazi. Like I said earlier, politics.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

1. In what way was Trump responsible for the Niger incident?

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When the soldiers were ambushed, no American helicopters came to their rescue. Although Congress had never authorized the mission in Niger -- as is required by the Constitution -- the military’s Africa command had asked lawmakers for more help months before the attack.

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When the soldiers were ambushed, no American helicopters came to their rescue.

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According the the military report, "Approximately one hour after taking fire, the team requested support. And within minutes, a remotely piloted aircraft arrived overhead. Within an hour, French Mirage jets arrived on station."

We can only wish that the Obama admin had responded with that kind of speed.

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Although Congress had never authorized the mission in Niger -- as is required by the Constitution -- the military’s Africa command had asked lawmakers for more help months before the attack.

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Asked who??? Trump, or lawmakers?

Who first put the troops into Niger? If you guessed Mr. Obama, you guessed right. So are you criticizing him for putting those troops into Niger?

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NOBODY in HISTORY lies as much as the dufus!

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And???

We built this society to be as it is. didn’t we?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

There evidently was a request made by some lower official in the White House, but it was never carried out.... In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.

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As WG pointed out, I did NOT say it originated with Trump. My comment was simply a general statement re Trump's narcissism. However, if it makes you happy, I DO believe it originated with Trump.

Trump's acting secretary of something or other Mulvey admitted on national television it originated from the White House. He then claimed it originated with "some second or third level" WH staff member. Yeah, right.

Does anyone really believe second or third level staff members issue orders or requests to the United States Navy without Trump's approval? Hardly. Even staff closest to Trump would run such an order by Trump. If there's anything we've learned about Trump he is an obsessive manager who wants to know about everything and forbids actions without his approval.

Telling a staff member to hide the name of the ship because it celebrated the McCain family is exactly something Trump would do - his modus operandi stretching far back into the Trump Organization. Cowardly, he gets others to do his dirty work, usually from his stable of lawyers, but any WH staff member will do.

I have no proof of this. It is my opinion.

God bless the Navy who recognized an idiotic order and refused to carry it out.