you are out of touch . Middle class income rose last year and will rise again this year . I dont have to go to the midwest to see ghost towns . There are plenty here in upstate NY where Dems have all but abandoned anything but urban areas where they can still extract rent seeking bribe $ from the rich . You are right ,there will still be plenty of government dependent residence in Chi-town . But who will pay for it ?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...219-story.html

Illinois GDP growth was 2.2% as compared to the national average of 2.9%. Lets stop nit-picking and go to a larger metric shall we.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...economy/growth

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/inves...es-one-nation/

https://econopolitics.com/2012/06/20...or-red-states/

http://politicsthatwork.com/graphs/s...d-blue-economy

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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...-state-divide/

I know this was supposed to be about India, but I think you started it.

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There is an inability here to stay on topic Tal, inevitably it comes back to the US because you think that is the centre of everything. Do you wonder why there might be a little frustration

Nigel Farage leading in EnglandMarine Le Pen leading in FranceSalvini leading in ItalyA global mass awakening is happening and there is nothing that the global elites or their media henchmen can do to stop it. Modi is part of it as well as the Morrison victory .

I can post links too. I was talking about the exodus out of blue states and you give me posts about growth .Yeah I get that corporate hqs are in the big cities . But the people are saying 'good luck moving up cause I'm moving out' .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#4cc7ecde6d6a

https://www.newsweek.com/bill-maher-...-taxes-1346142

https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-ta...us-11546037709

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/8000...-of-taxes.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VniY5dR5PFw

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...-diaspora.html

The only real problem with this is that liberals are moving too ;and like locust they bring their destructive policies with them .

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Yes Tom pendulums, it is now swinging to the right after years of leftist crap about climate, and the ME generation, and all those unfortunates someplace else. Where I come from voters said enough, we want jobs, we want reliable cheap power, we want assurance you arn't going to tax everything. The British want Brexit which means less of this leftist crap, the French want the same thing. Right across Europe they realise the cost is too high

My point was Tom that such exodus's happen generationally, and more about conditions and personal preferences than ideology. I know you and Clete see liberals as the cause of all your conservative frustrations, but individuals see personal needs as the priorities. I could very easily say the same thing about the conservative problem. You know good and darn well a few million a year leaving these big old megacities is a drop in the bucket over the time they have been megacities. These mega cities attract millions themselves seeking fame fortune and money all the time. What rural folks don't dream of something other than cow manure? Come on, give me a break, that's like taking a snapshot of the sun and claiming the rain is bad.

I will agree that globally you conservatives and ultra righties are reeking havoc right now but as Clete says that pendulum is swinging and you have it on your side so enjoy it and try not to let your heads explode when it swings back. Until then I will seek to survive all the righty crap as I have before. You guys have the ball so let's see you fix stuff you claim we screwed up.

Coming Soon Right Wing Social Engineering!

PS. Let me know when NY Chicago or any bastian of liberal policy and control fall down.

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You would probably do better getting a plan together to deal with mother nature blowing your stuff away.

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I know you and Clete see liberals as the cause of all your conservative frustrations, but individuals see personal needs as the priorities.

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You would probably do better getting a plan together to deal with mother nature blowing your stuff away.

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If you live where the wind blows you have to expect stuff to be blown away, but you should be spending more money on wind control, particularly in Washington.

Tal, my frustration is with people who see an urgent problem in everything, when in fact, if they wait a while the problem will go away. I don't think liberal is the right definition of leftist. I am liberal in my thinking, freedom is important, but I don't think taking OPM is the way to get things done. People are reasonable if approached in the right way. No one thinks they need another aircraft carrier or another flying brick. Nor do they need to go and fight in some far off place to achieve nothing

No such thing as OPM. If you think it is, please explain. All you can do when the wind blows is hunker down and hope that's good enough. Of course there may not be a lot left of your precious stuff. Then we have those darn floods.

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No such thing as OPM. If you think it is, please explain. All you can do when the wind blows is hunker down and hope that's good enough. Of course there may not be a lot left of your precious stuff. Then we have those darn floods.

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Ah yes, the floods, haven't had one for a while, still, this may be the year, or maybe not. I can be sure of one thing, the wind doesn't blow stuff away where I live, but I imagine there is a price for living in Texas. And yes there Is OPM, beloved of socialists and leftists and politicians. so much you can do with OPM

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right on .'Liberal' was hijacked by the lefties . Liberalism has come to be associated with wide ranging interference with private property and the market on behalf of egalitarian goals. But that isn't the liberalism of John Locke ,Adam Smith

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Reserved for nosy conservatives with attitudes.

You have a crooked nose this morning

Don't take it personally, just been dodging high winds, thunderstorms and tornadoes. Warnings every few hours will unnerve you.

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Don't take it personally, just been dodging high winds, thunderstorms and tornadoes. Warnings every few hours will unnerve you.

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Yes, no doubt life can be difficult in the great state of Texas where the wind whistles down the plains or was that a little further north. I was amused yesterday to see some stalwart lads putting a new roof on a neighbour's property on a day where high winds were predicted, they are still at it today and it rained over night. Some people have no sense

It's not just Texas Clete, the whole country is beset by these weather events. A wet wild spring usually brings a long hot summer. We'll see.

tis the season where warm moist air collides with a cold front. It is not unusual . My biggest concern is that my veggie garden is drowning . They need a warm drying period so they can begin to grow.

with drought and flooding rains I have long since given up gardening, it is a zero sum gain, best you can hope for is a few kilo of tomatoes, but the rain events of six months ago and various other disasters have certainly affected supply and price, still I am happy for the pelicans in Lake Eyre. Tom I suggest a green house. I observed the other day Tal that you had tornados as far north as Ohio, You fellows had better start doing something about than non-existant climate change