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Originally Posted by paraclete

What you are saying is that there is an ongoing talk fest, if there was a case to answer an indictment would be brought, otherwise it is just another political kangaroo court

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Over the past 40 years there have been several Special Counsel investigations of which the current one under Mueller has been the shortest so far. Plus he already has both indictments and convictions.

There is no evidence of Russian collusion, but even if there was, collusion is not a crime.

But treason is.

You can't say treason, such a charge is ridiculous. Trump can be impeached for high crimes, but being a businessman with business in Russia is not a crime

Treason is a crime. So is murder, and you have about as much evidence against Trump for one as you do the other. It's just an absurd statement driven by a hatred of all things even related to Trump. But at least you are prepared to agree that collusion is not a crime, so that is progress.

Obstruction of justice, and conspiracy are crimes punishable by fines, jail, or both. Cohen has implicated the dufus in campaign finance crimes, and the meeting at the Trump Tower with agents of the Russian government to lift sanctions without reporting such a meeting to the proper authorities may well be a conspiracy, as well as a quid pro quo agreement between the dufus and Vlad which is also a crime as well as his public statements around the firing of Comey.

If the Saudis had not bought out rooms in trump Tower he would have lost money which could be a violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution and that's in court now and just another example of shady dealings both in business and government. The government being shut down over this "WALL" issue does nothing but erode the faith in government and only brings chaos into the lives of workers especially those already living from paycheck to paycheck.

Sure the dufus has a core of support from this fiasco but on the whole every day without a resolution brings a greater discontent and costs the economy money. Yeah, I would say there is plenty of stuff to examine very closely here folks.

"Someone said." "It might be." "Faith eroding in government."

Do you have any real evidence about illegal actions taken by Trump himself?

That is reserved for the court process and we will just have to wait for the outcomes. I can only note again the convictions already of the dufus cronies and cabinet members as a good reason that it's ongoing and more to come... FOR SURE!

Most of the time, as in practically all of the time, the court process doesn't begin until convincing evidence can be presented. You have it backwards. Again, politics.

Point taken but I respectfully submit that the smaller fish are being fried systematically, and it's far from a done deal that there is NO evidence that will lead to the bigger fish. That's wishful thinking for dufus supporters. The dufus is NOT off the hook, probably why he has upped his lawyers to 36, and will add more.

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it's far from a done deal that there is NO evidence that will lead to the bigger fish.

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You are right about that and I'll agree with you. Just try to contain your gleeful anticipation!

Oh I can't wait, the suspense is killing me

Trump Derangement Syndrome! Get treatment as soon as possible.

There is only one cure

Correct. The treatment is "Hillary Observation Therapy". Just go back and look at her history and credentials and like a miracle, Trump starts to look pretty good! Works for me every time.

And No, I cannot look upon that list of failures, it is depressing. I know it seems Trump has achieved something, it used to be called the power of positive thinking, but he too has so many failures. He doesn't understand that to speak isn't to act, to articulate a dream isn't to have someone fulfill it, and he dreams of the wrong thing, walls and divisions politicians bowing down to his divine will. There is nothing new in his policies, he did not think of a wall first, he did not think about health care first, he did not think about military first, he did not think about ending war first, but politics is the art of the possible, not the art of bullying

'Clete, have you read The Art of the Deal?

"My style of deal-making is quite simple and straightforward. I aim very high, and then I just keep pushing and pushing and pushing to get what I’m after.”

"One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better…The point is that if you are a little different, a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.”

"The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole."

Let me say, I'm not interested in BuII and anyone who believes Trump only has half a brain but then you have so many people maybe this makes up for it

Many of us who voted for Trump did so for five reasons.

1. He was not named Hillary Clinton.
2. He was willing to address the terrible situation on our southern border.
3. He was willing to appoint people to the Supreme Court who actually believe in the Constitution.
4. He seemed to be concerned about the budget deficit.
5. He was going to revive the economy.

Results

1. Hooray!
2. Ongoing, but at least he is not just rehashing the failed policies of the past fifty years.
3. Doing well.
4. Lousy.
5. Fantastic so far.

His greatest asset is that he is not named Hillary Clinton. Have I already said that??

Yes you got a winner on that one, but there are a lot of people who fill that criteria but then they aren't full of bull are they