His polling amongst Black and Hispanic voters is going up .That is because of the better job prospects. He hates Hispanics right ? Well Hispanic unemployment has dropped to lowest level in a decade . Further ,when his infrastructure plan gets implemented it will benefit the Hispanic community who represent 30% of the construction labor . Ironically any wall construction will benefit the Hispanic construction force also .

He is also making inroads with Black support . The combination of job growth and a clever strategy of getting Black celebrity endorsements ,pardoning Blacks like Jack Johnson and Alice Johnson ,and having Kim Kardashian as a celebrity spokesperson for prison reform is beginning to erode the stranglehold the Dems have on the Black voter . Oh his numbers will still not look great ;but ,all he needs to do is get these groups support into the double digits and the Dems will have a panic attack.

How will we pay for this glorious tax cuts we put on the national credit card? Oh that's right the economic growth they generate pays for them. Where have I heard that before? Meantime as the price of food gas and your health care goes up, your roads, schools, and infrastructure crumbles and cities can't pay workers. Yeah your boss is flush, and your state is screwed. I like your numbers though defending those middle class tax cuts but you forget half the country makes under $60,000. And of those another half falls below $30,000. (Funny how firefighters, teachers, and cops the life blood of the community fall in that range)

But you are consistent as republican ideology says that 10% of a hundred equals 10% of a millions so the distribution of tax cuts is equal therefore fair. The next sound you hear will be we ain't got no mo money. Will you do as you did with Bush and call him a drunk sailor on a spending spree? The Dufus is holding to the pattern of repubs cut taxes, so nothing new there, as long as he doesn't start a new war, or escalate an old one, OR doesn't get impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, Or the economy doesn't tank because the rich guys screwed up the economy yet again.

Invest YOUR tax cut wisely. The rising interest rates and price increases may be greater than the "middle class" tax cuts.

You will never understand the dynamics of supply side so why try explaining it to you . One of your Dem icons Jack Kennedy understood it and the 1960s were a prosperous time until the damaging effects of bad Keynesian policies by Johnson and Nixon ended it .

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/02/july...isappoint.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-strong-2018-8

That's the problem I'm not a supply side fan. Maybe if I was a rich job creator it would make sense, but being a blue collar factory worker all my life I can only deal with kitchen table issues rather than the board room. Plus I have seen those supply side induced recessions affect that kitchen table and cuts to MY bottom line in those supply side business cycles. I have nothing against rich guys Tom, but when something goes wrong with the plan or we have a downturn, my socioeconomic group pays for it. When deficits go up, my socioeconomic group pays for it.

When a war starts my socioeconomic group goes to fight and rich kids take a sabbatical. Maybe if you supply siders figure out a way to trickle a little more down then I might quit b!tching. Sure I can tighten that belt and cut expenses and get by on spaghetti and beans with the best of them. I can also get my hustle on for MO MONEY too!

I ain't 25 any more and that fantastic stuff I use to do is a memory. But the game hasn't changed live within my means and watch yet another repub artificially juice the economy on the credit card and watch the infrastructure crumble under me. If a rich guy ever decided to turn up the trickle down for stuff that helps me, then I would probably vote repubs in and shut up.

Until then, I continue to holler... are you listening? Probably not, since you don't care if people in my socioeconomic class holler, because we are just lazy dumb B@stard out to sit on our arse and take YOUR hard earned money. RIGHT?

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You will never understand the dynamics of supply side so why try explaining it to you . One of your Dem icons Jack Kennedy understood it and the 1960s were a prosperous time until the damaging effects of bad Keynesian policies by Johnson and Nixon ended it .

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Yeh we know Adam Smith and all that, but pump priming only works if you can keep pumping the pork

Companies aren't priming the economy Clete, they buy back their own stock, and sell it for a profit and pay off the investors. Makes business sense, except workers won't see much of that with any added benefits or wages. I'm sure they are happy to have a job and a $49 bucks tax cut.

Now the Dufus wants the FED to hold off one interest hikes, one of the only tools they have when stuff happens, you know recessions and financial melt downs, as well as relaxing the rules that protect ordinary citizens from investor class shenanigans. What you thought the Dufus was watching out for us with his wild antics? Naw he is the distraction while his cronies and sycophants rob us blind by rolling back all the regulations that make corporate stealing illegal.

That's what repubs do, and always have so of course you can expect an economic slowdown after they are FAT!

More boiler plate without support . It is just not true that wages aren't rising .

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/work...ince-2008.html



Yes SOME companies are doing stock buy backs . Others are investing that gain ,including investing in their employees .More than

125 U.S. employers, big and small, have announced plans for bonuses and pay increases after the overhaul . According At least 2 million American workers received or will receive special bonuses in the wake of tax reform.

I voted for Trump because the alternative of HC was a dreary, frightening alternative. I wish he would get his mouth and tweets under control. It's awful, but I have to admit that the economy has taken off and SCOTUS is heading in a constitutional direction.

The latest I hear is that the budget for next year will have a deficit of nearly a trillion dollars. If that's the case, then it will be bitterly disappointing to me. We might as well elect a bunch of democrats if that's what we want. It would be nice if the repubs would develop some courage and cut spending.

It's always amusing to me to see people post about lying, cheating, big deficits, etc. I want to ask if they are talking about Mr. Obama or Hillary.

Hang in there, Tomder. The truth is in short supply on this thread.

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More boiler plate without support . It is just not true that wages aren't rising .

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/work...ince-2008.html



Yes SOME companies are doing stock buy backs . Others are investing that gain ,including investing in their employees .More than

125 U.S. employers, big and small, have announced plans for bonuses and pay increases after the overhaul . According At least 2 million American workers received or will receive special bonuses in the wake of tax reform.

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Out of 148 million working people 2 million get a bonus (Actually I estimated 3M), and you do know that many of those wage increases were voted in by states as referendums during the election of the Dufus so some had no choice.

Minimum Wage Increases in 2018: 18 States and 20 Cities | Fortune

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There are now 29 states that have laws mandating higher pay than the $7.25 federal minimum wage, which has not changed since 2009. In 2017,

19 states began the year with wage increases

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five states

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seven states

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No they are not all blue states.

And more stealing by the rich crowd... Shameful!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/insa...aboolainternal

2.whatever percent convert to how much on a paycheck? Will it cover a loaf of bread?

Let me just throw this other peeve in while we are talking jobs and wages

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/b...od-hiring.html

Modern Slavery:   US Fast-food Industry Thriving on Poverty-stricken Workers    : Information Clearing House - ICH

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But the millions of workers that make those astronomical figures for the industry are paid pittance wages. One study at the University of California-Berkeley puts almost half of all front-line employees in the fast-food industry in America as subsisting on some form of government aid to supplement their low wages. Other studies have found that 20 per cent of families reliant on an employee in the fast-food business are living below the official poverty line.

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Now tell me how these are just entry level jobs (Back in the day maybe).

They are entry level jobs, Tal, in an economy where skilled, educated workers are highly paid and there are no restrictions on gaining the required skill or education. In an economy where there are many unemployed workers they cease to be entry level. The imbalance can come from migration; i.e. many unskilled workers or from economic downturn or changing circumstance such as outflow of capital and means of production.

Some time you have to face the truth, uncontrolled migration creates an imbalance both in your country and the place where they emigrate from

With almost 150M people below the poverty line you cannot have just entry level jobs especially when low skilled jobs are the predominate ones being made. We had this before in the 80's following a recovery from a "mild" recession. People get pressed by economic need to take such jobs as they work to acquire new skills. Not all that unusual during life changing events like downsizing, or layoff and plant closings, and a recovering economy.

Not sure how you are tying this to migration though, but I do understand your point as when we take doctors and techs from say India, they have to fill those losses.

we aren't even talking about migration . right now construction jobs are available to ANYONE who can pass a drug test and show up . Many offers do not require prior experience . There is a shortage of labor at all levels of skillset in this country and that is the real reasons wages are on the rise . Tal stop the bs about dead end jobs that will soon displace those low wage workers with AI .Time for them to move on and retrain . https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/the-...cal-point.html

Come on Tom AI in the food industry, food would become even more humodonised that it already is, can you imagine a hamburger prepared by a machine it would taste even more like crap than it does now. Can you see a Robot sweeping the street, washing the floors, cleaning the tiolets. Do you want to live in a society like this, where all humans can do all day is sit around and wonder what life used to be like, living on the living wage paid by the government so they don't riot and turing up once a week to report how there were no jobs available. This is the capitalist dream, a world without those troublesome workers

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/0...5-minutes.html

Clete you know and I know that technology is the greatest source of job creation ,at the same time that it destroys the need for humans to do other jobs. It replaces old jobs for new jobs,erasing toil that was once essential.

And yes there is a need for that capital allow innovators to create those new jobs .

There are no companies and no jobs without investment first, and the investors whose capital creates companies and jobs are attracted to profits. Who do you think creates jobs ,the government ? But I don't have to ask you that because you know better than what you just wrote above

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You really astound me . Without innovation and invention we would still have children working on family farms all day every day just to provide for the basics to survive. With innovation we no longer need children to work so they can devote their time to learning and enjoying their childhood . Mothers and fathers get to spend more time watching their children grow up and the elderly get to retire and enjoy their remaining days .If you don't believe me than go and look at life in those communist utopias .

You're too smart to

believe that there will be no replacement for work made redundant by progress. The car replaced the horse and buggy but there were still jobs for the blacksmith and the carriage driver when those job went. Ideally the loss of the mundane job that robots replace will be replaced by jobs people are interested in doing .Maybe those burger flippers will choose to become chefs instead if their passion is in creating food for others to eat .

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-b...cord-37-report

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we aren't even talking about migration . right now construction jobs are available to ANYONE who can pass a drug test and show up . Many offers do not require prior experience . There is a shortage of labor at all levels of skillset in this country and that is the real reasons wages are on the rise . Tal stop the bs about dead end jobs that will soon displace those low wage workers with AI .Time for them to move on and retrain . https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/the-...cal-point.html

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All that sounds great on paper, but reality is that re-education and relocation is expensive. In the meantime you have to eat and maybe take care of kids. I said nothing about dead end jobs, but about a living wage for those low skilled jobs. Maybe businesses should defray those costs and yeah, they are flush enough to invest because as you say they just have always raised prices to pass it on to consumers anyway. The problem has always been what do you do with those workers who are displaced by technology that transitions them into reliable consumers.

Maybe you hyper capitalists should rethink your economic models and manipulations for exclusive revenue streams before YOU get displaced for being NON essential. Far fetched? Wait until that super computer figures out how to ring the bell without you.

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https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/0...5-minutes.html

Clete you know and I know that technology is the greatest source of job creation ,at the same time that it destroys the need for humans to do other jobs. It replaces old jobs for new jobs,erasing toil that was once essential.

And yes there is a need for that capital allow innovators to create those new jobs .

There are no companies and no jobs without investment first, and the investors whose capital creates companies and jobs are attracted to profits. Who do you think creates jobs ,the government ? But I don't have to ask you that because you know better than what you just wrote above

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You really astound me . Without innovation and invention we would still have children working on family farms all day every day just to provide for the basics to survive. With innovation we no longer need children to work so they can devote their time to learning and enjoying their childhood . Mothers and fathers get to spend more time watching their children grow up and the elderly get to retire and enjoy their remaining days .If you don't believe me than go and look at life in those communist utopias .

You're too smart to

believe that there will be no replacement for work made redundant by progress. The car replaced the horse and buggy but there were still jobs for the blacksmith and the carriage driver when those job went. Ideally the loss of the mundane job that robots replace will be replaced by jobs people are interested in doing .Maybe those burger flippers will choose to become chefs instead if their passion is in creating food for others to eat .

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How many blacksmith's do you know? Did they migrate to Amish country? You amaze me too, you cannot see what is happening, jobs exist because of population growth but that has to stop. When it does all the jobs will have been taken by machines and what will be left is a few button pushers on short time. We have developed a throwaway economy, cars are fashion objects, good for a few years before obsolescence takes over and they are replaced by something else. You have threeD printers so factories become obsolete, soon houses will be interchangeable so no need for new ones and then people will become obsolete, you already have half your population who have a questionable future

that's the point Clete .In the days where horses were needed for transportation ,there was a need for blacksmiths . Now it is a specialty skill so workers who were black smiths moved on . You need a more recent example ? Draftsmen needed to learn cad and then computer skills . Life is not stagnant and if you are not always improving yourself you risk falling behind or out of the race .