That was very well said Athos!

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No Tal ;investigation 101 says you have to have an underlying crime to justify your investigation. What is the crime ? That Trump had real estate dealings with Russians since the fall of the Soviet Union ?If that is a crime , then he and every major real estate developer in the country is guilty .

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Lets see how this works, Follow the money is Standard Operating Procedure for finding out about rich guys, and there illegal schemes, which starts with Manafort, Flynn, and a few other lesser named "associates", throw in with Trumps son and son in law, who has amended his security and financial forms how many times, because he forgot stuff, while his son has changed his story about his meeting with a Russian with ties to Putty's mob..I mean government, and you have a good case for FOLLOWING the MONEY!

Then we get to fire a few AG's at justice, and the guy at the FBI doing the investigating, mix in the words and actions of Trump, and we have PROBABLE CAUSE to look deeper. The bank connections are icing on the cake for wrongdoing, since the guy has done wrong before, including payoffs to the Florida AG. We do have it in WRITING that Russia wants to help Trump against Hillary thanks to Dufus Jr.

Hello Duetsche Bank!! The dufus and his son in law are in hock to those fronts for money laundering, favored by real estate types, and oligarchs. So you see Tom, you have to follow the money when you deal with rich guys because bread crumbs are beneath them.

Why would every other candidate for president release tax returns and they don't have to, and Trump doesn't? He had to know that it just LOOKS bad. Finally Tom, following the money is the best way to get the verifying documents to how who you do business with and the kind of business you do. Even Vlad knows that and its an old story to hook a greedy bast@rd into doing stuff for you because they are in a financial fix.

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1. we get to fire a few AG's at justice

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The emperor fired all of them when he came in.

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1. and the guy at the FBI doing the investigating mix

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the hypocrite Dems wanted him fired months ago.

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The emperor fired all of them when he came in.
the hypocrite Dems wanted him fired months ago.

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tomder55 - pay attention. The year is 2017 - there's a new guy in the White House. The majority party in Congress is now the Republicans. Stop dwelling in the past!

When you reply to a post like you've done here, you are telegraphing that you have nothing to say to the points raised in said post.

Athos there might be a new guy in the White House but the same pitiful, pathetic, politics are in play, Tom knows this

the past is always an inconvenient truth when hypocricy is in play.

Hypocrisy is 8 years of lies, obstruction, and name calling, along with a few dirty tricks, then when you get the power, blaming the other guys for not helping you screw themselves. I distinctly remember you saying the repubs were supposed to obstruct the dems, that the way the system works. Okay now that repubs are the ruling party, you surely can't be against the dem resisting EVERYTHING repubs do now can you Tom? You may as well own the repubs past behavior as an inconvenient truth, and accept the dems resistance to republican dominance as another "inconvenient truth".

So yeah, anything we can do to make Trump a ONE TERM president should be INEVITABLE! At least limit his authority, influence and agenda, as repubs did Obama. That's not hypocrisy at all, just FAIR.

The conflict continues.

big difference between stopping an agenda and trying to remove him from office with fallacious and phoney charges. Big news today is that Glenn Simpson ,co-founder of Fusion GPS is going to plea the 5th during Senate hearings . Fusion GPS was hired by Evita to dig up dirt on Trump . They hired the guy who created the salacious and false Steele Trump dossier . They also were lobbying against the Magnitsky act .

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big difference between stopping an agenda and trying to remove him from office with fallacious and phoney charges

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There are no charges, just an investigation, which is totally removed from stopping the right wing agenda. Fallacious and phony remain to be seen, but considering Trump meets both of those descriptions it's an appropriate statement.

More leaks, this time claiming that Mueller is seeking to turn Manafort against others by pressuring him about a money laundering scheme, although there's no actual evidence of such a scheme . This is how 3rd world justice is ....decide someone is guilty and then make up a crime for it .

Cops and prosecutors in AMERICA use the same tactic ALL THE TIME, and it's ALWAYS been legal! Besides Flynn is the one ready for a deal, and you don't need a leak to know that.

In case you missed it, tomder, Congress today passed legislation placing sanctions on Russia for interfering in the 2016 presidential election. Guess it wasn't as PHONY as you claimed, eh? Trump, of course, cannot veto it because it was passed overwhelmingly by his own party of Republicans (and Democrats) and a veto would be politically disastrous.

Recognizing the political realities, Trump's new press secretary Sanders came up with this shamelss piece of baloney saying the Administration IMPROVED the legislation which was "poorly written ... but we made the necessary changes to support it". It is hard to believe she had the brass ones to make such an obviously FALSE statement.

Naturally, her new boss Scaramucci said the opposite - "He (Trump) hasn't made the decision yet to sign the bill one way or the other". This character who was hired to coordinate the confusing WH statements has stepped right into it on his first day by contradicting his underling.

Btw, Fusion GPS was FIRST hired by the Republicans to DEFEAT Trump before he was nominated. After nomination, they lined up behind orangehead like so many ducks in a row.

As I've said before - FOLKS, YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE UP STUFF LIKE THIS !!

What is phony is the charge that Trump colluded . You haven't proven it because it is not true .

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September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired to do opposition research for Republicans who opposed Donald Trump's bid during the Republican primary campaign for the 2016 presidential election. When Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate by the spring of 2016, Republican donors stopped funding the investigation, and Democrat supporters of Hillary Clinton became Fusion GPS's new clients.^[17] In June 2016, after the Democratic National Committee had been hacked and its emails began to be published online, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele issued a series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.

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The dossier was one lie after another .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS

Glenn Simpson ;cofounder of Fusion GPS has declined to voluntarily attend the Judiciary Committee hearing regarding compliance with the Foreign Agents Registration Act. A subpoena has been issued to compel his attendance. Simpson’s attorney has asserted that his client will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights in response to the subpoena.

Fusion GPS is also involved in the conduct of Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya .
2013 ;US Att Preet Brahara was investigating Russian citizen Denis Katsyv regarding money laundering . He hired a US law firm which then hired Fusion GPS to develop information to help defend Katsyv.

Fusion GPS was also involved in investigating information about principals in the Magnitsky Act of 2012.Natalia Veselnitskaya was involved in promoting Russian interest in ending the Magnitsky Act. All these connections lead back to Fusion GPS, its client list, its sources, its refusal so far to provide Congress with documents of its activity with and for Russian actors since 2013.The unanswered questions about the leaking of the unmasking and leaking of Michael Flynn’s name also involves documents that have yet to be seen by the public.

Also Susan Rice testified in a closed door meeting to the Senate Intel Committee. Chairman Richard Burr spoke after the meeting that there was definitely improper unmasking and leaking to the media by the emperor's regime.

House Intelligence Committee issued subpoenas to the CIA ,NSA ,and FBI about the unmaskings by John Brennan, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power. Specifically the committee wants to know what does Power have to do with the unmasking and leaking of Flynn’s name? Chairman Nunes announced that he intends to make a “criminal referral” to the Department of Justice about Obama administration officials who leaked names of Trump campaign members that were gathered by U.S. intelligence surveillance.

That is the only crime you will find in this whole sordid affair. But it would help to know exactly what role Fusion GPS had and for who they served . If Fusion GPS was working in the service of Russia ;and the Clintoon campaign hired them . Then I would conclude that any collusion that happened was between the Russians and the Clintonistas .

Don't be offended if I just wait on the investigation to be over, and not just take your word for it. I think Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, Lil Trump, got some splaining to do and answer some questions. If it leads to Big Daddy Trump, or Sessions, or wherever, then so be it!

Even if there was no collusion between the Dufus and Russia, I am still going to blast his wrinkled butt! 4 years or 8, and there is plenty of ammo to do it with.

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1. Even if there was no collusion between the Dufus and Russia, I am still going to blast his wrinkled butt! 4 years or 8, and there is plenty of ammo to do it with.

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Fine . I bet in more than one case I'll join you. But this Russia thing is going nowhere . Even Schmuck Schumer realizes this and is trying to redirect his party towards policy differences .

I wish it were so simple Tom, as this crap talking dufus has a way of putting people down that's downright insulting. I doubt I would take that from a dem or liberal no matter what the policy agreement or disagreement was.

Orange man talk with forked tongue! As much as I dislike greatly AG Sessions, that recent attack on him was totally inappropriate.

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1. As much as I dislike greatly AG Sessions, that recent attack on him was totally inappropriate.

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Agree .Sessions has been loyal to Trump to the end . I find it hard to believe it came as a surprise that Sessions would recuse himself. To blame him for the appointment of Mueller just doesn't jive with the facts .. Comey manipulated the events that triggered the hiring of Mueller . That happened weeks after Sessions recused himself .

I was no fan of Comey's either, but the issues I had with him were his unprofessional handling of the Clinton emails/server during a political campaign.

For a bully who hits back when he feels personally attacked his response to the Russian cyber attack is extremely troubling.

It also turns out that Jeff Sessions had been considering recusal long before the story about the meeting with the Russian ambassador broke;for reasons rooted in law and Justice Department policy....https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/45.2

It was also part of his nomination hearings if Dufus had been paying attention. This is all about getting his loyal soldier out of the way to get after Mueller. What's he got to hide? He sure got the GOP senators undies in a bunch over this. You staying up for the "skinny repeal" of Obamacare Vote-O-Rama tonight Tom?

Also he just banned transgender from ANY military service via tweet. Even those deployed the lying moron. Suring the campaign he was the best friend they ever had, but it's now just red meat for the right wing crowd that's PO'd about him bad mouthing Sessions.