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Point of clarification. "Assault Weapon" is the media's fictitious term. An "Assault Rifle" is a thing, specifically a weapon designed for infantry use capable of both semiautomatic and fully automatic firing.

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Let's try to put this in perspective, the weapons we are talking about are of military design adapted for civilian use, self loading, capable of rapid fire from a high volume magazine. In some countries these high volume magazines are not permitted. In others weapons of this configuration are not permitted

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Let's try to put this in perspective, the weapons we are talking about are of military design adapted for civilian use, self loading, capable of rapid fire from a high volume magazine. In some countries these high volume magazines are not permitted. In others weapons of this configuration are not permitted

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.....and yet the criminals manage to get their hands on them ;and if their intention is mass murder ,a bomb ,or a truck rental appears to be just as effective . The biggest mass killing in the US was accomplished with box cutters and a few planes. The next biggest was done with a truck full of common fertilizers. Nice was done with a rental truck driving over the victims.

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You have to ask, you must be in control. The males are not the only ones to blame. With birth control pills readily available you have to ask why it is the female population still resorts to abortion as a form of birth control. The number of babies aborted is staggering indicating the problem is a moral one. There is one sure method of birth control

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There's the old saw: "Women give sex to get love. Men give love to get sex." Plus, the "evangelical" teaching is that a wife does not refuse her husband's request for sex. Third-world countries do not know that pregnancies can be prevented. Or certain religions are against birth control. Birth control too often is frowned on or non existent.

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.....and yet the criminals manage to get their hands on them

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Most of the shooters have been young men who felt disenfranchised somehow. Rarely have they been criminals.

Many was the night I wondered if my sleep-drugged husband, hearing a noise in the dark house (me dealing with a sick kid or being sick myself) would shoot before asking questions.

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Gotcha on the "specifically a weapon designed for infantry use" as well as "capable of both semiautomatic and fully automatic firing" that anybody can modify rather quickly and easily, and in the hands of such persons, or ANYONE, that THING can kill a lot of innocents, and even highly trained and armed public servants.

That's the whole problem, any loony, criminal, can get one rather easily despite the law, through many loopholes and restrictions. That good guy with a gun is never around, so we have to call a cop. I got nothing against cops, but will he be that well trained one, or some wannabe who ain't so well trained, experienced, or qualified? Or even a good cop period.

The media's "fictitious terms" is NOT the issue, or the problem.

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What loophole? Are you talking about government regulation of private sales ?

And there are plenty of examples of people that carry preventing a crime in progress.

How easy is it to modify a weapon? Do you actually know what it would take?

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.....and yet the criminals manage to get their hands on them ;and if their intention is mass murder ,a bomb ,or a truck rental appears to be just as effective . The biggest mass killing in the US was accomplished with box cutters and a few planes. The next biggest was done with a truck full of common fertilizers. Nice was done with a rental truck driving over the victims.

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Not entering into the possession debate Tom we both know that someone will find a way whether that is assault rifles, hand guns, bombs or murder by motor vehicle or IED, I was just putting us on the same page when speaking about assault rifles. What happens is a terrorist becomes inventive in achieving the objective. Fertilizers are controlled because of what can be made from them, there is some logic in extending this thinking, but let us ask ourselves how many single shot weapons have been used in mass killings?

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how many single shot weapons have been used in mass killings?

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Do shotguns count? I can put 19 .30 caliber bullets downrange with every trigger pull.

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Do shotguns count? I can put 19 .30 caliber bullets downrange with every trigger pull.

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Well I suppose if they become the weapon of choice they will be banned too, but the point is a question of dealing death to multiple targets, we should include automatic shotguns in the definition of assault weapons if they are not already

Boy this RNC convention is quite the clown show and no one is happier than the comedians.

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Boy this RNC convention is quite the clown show and no one is happier than the comedians.

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Until the Repubics close their primaries to Democrat registered voters ,they will continue to nominate the weakest link. 12 million Democrats voted in this year's Republican primaries. The Dems don't have that system. Only registered Dems can vote in their primaries.

Trump could very well be an Evita plant. Trump was a lifelong Democrat (registerd on and off as political opportunity presented itself).He was a donor and avid supporter of the Clintoons. He's a corrupt 'crony capitalist' with "New York values". Still because of their crazy primary system ,he ended up being their nominee. And we are supposed to pretend to like it because "Evita is worse " .

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Until the Repubics close their primaries to Democrat registered voters ,they will continue to nominate the weakest link. 12 million Democrats voted in this year's Republican primaries. The Dems don't have that system. Only registered Dems can vote in their primaries.

Trump could very well be an Evita plant. Trump was a lifelong Democrat (registerd on and off as political opportunity presented itself).He was a donor and avid supporter of the Clintoons. He's a corrupt 'crony capitalist' with "New York values". Still because of their crazy primary system ,he ended up being their nominee. And we are supposed to pretend to like it because "Evita is worse " .

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You suggest Dilliary is smart enough to plant Dump amongst the Republicans but Dump is so far right he has almost come full circle and could be considered far left. Even if he started that way to spoil the choice and divide, the power trip has kicked in

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You suggest Dilliary is smart enough to plant Dump amongst the Republicans but Dump is so far right he has almost come full circle and could be considered far left. Even if he started that way to spoil the choice and divide, the power trip has kicked in

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He has many views to the political left of Evita ;more similar to Bolshevik Bernie's .I've seen their act over the years . Trump and the Clintoons are very close despite the rhetoric you are hearing .


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attach...id=48390&stc=1

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e2_story.html

Chelsea and Ivanka are good friends.

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Chelsea and Ivanka are good friends.

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We know the fix is in , it doesn't matter who is elected you are in for more of the same

How in the hell can you fix this broken political system? It must be disheartening.

Don't worry karma, Mr. Fix It, Donald the Dump will fix it, didn't you hear him? He told you he is going to do one of two things, either he will fix it or he will F### it

Trump sounded bombastic like a 3rd world dicator playing to the masses. It was almost as long as a 3rd world dictator's speech too. Actually ,that was the same way Bolshevik Bernie sounded . What's he doing these days ......heckling Muppets ?

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Trump sounded bombastic like a 3rd world dicator playing to the masses. It was almost as long as a 3rd world dictator's speech too. Actually ,that was the same way Bolshevik Bernie sounded . What's he doing these days ......heckling Muppets ?

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I'm surprised Tom that the assembled masses didn't salute him with their right arms outstretched

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I'm surprised Tom that the assembled masses didn't salute him with their right arms outstretched

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I think your confused. That would be the Hillary camp doing that.

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I think your confused. That would be the Hillary camp doing that.

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No I'm not confused, the Dump speech was full of authoritarian bravado, It is a wonder he wasn't thumping the rosterium. There are direct parallels between Hitler's speeches and Dumps. I was expecting him to say he was going to march into Mexico to gain living space for all those hispanics or was that ejecting all those hispanics. His embracing of Putin is also dangerous and the parallel was Hitler who embraced Stalin

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No I'm not confused, the Dump speech was full of authoritarian bravado, It is a wonder he wasn't thumping the rosterium. There are direct parallels between Hitler's speeches and Dumps. I was expecting him to say he was going to march into Mexico to gain living space for all those hispanics or was that ejecting all those hispanics. His embracing of Putin is also dangerous and the parallel was Hitler who embraced Stalin

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Nahh it was more like Mussolini :

"I am very glad to be able to express my friendly feelings toward the American nation. Friendship with which Italy looks at millions of citizens who, from Alaska to Florida, from the Pacific to the Atlantic, live in the United States, Italy is deeply rooted in our hearts. This feeling created by mutual interests so contributed to preparation of an even brighter era in the lives of both nations.

I greet with wonderful energy the American people and I see and recognize among you the salt of your land, as well as ours, my fellow citizens who are working to make America great.

I salute the great American people. I salute the Italians of America who unite in a single love of two nations."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5l_r8MG5II