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Originally Posted by tomder55

back in the rational ole days, immigrants were screened for disease ,at places like Ellis Island ,before admission.

And they weren't sneaking across the border illegally either... not those ones anyway.

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Why panic over a few cases?

I don't doubt they said that about Ebola. It is not a panic to discuss an issue, Look I know influenza kills more people despite mass innoculations but there is an active program to contain influenza where as this is something that every few hundred years becomes a major problem and the population has no immunity. What protects the population is more that infected cases die quickly than it is that anyone pays attention to it on an iradication basis

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Originally Posted by smoothy

And they weren't sneaking across the border illegally either... not those ones anyway.

Yes and at Ellis island, the immigrants were Brits, Irish and Scottish. Children were separated from their parents and sent into servitude or sent back on the next boat out if they didn't have the proper paperwork, or could write properly. That was all misguided travesty. Those people were promised safe passage and 80 percent never got it once they arrived.

There was a famine in Ireland for chrissake and you were to be the best country for their salvation. Well, it was not.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I don't doubt they said that about Ebola. It is not a panic to discuss an issue, Look I know influenza kills more people despite mass innoculations but there is an active program to contain influenza where as this is something that every few hundred years becomes a major problem and the population has no immunity. What protects the population is more that infected cases die quickly than it is that anyone pays attention to it on an iradication basis

Para can you ever write something that is good news. We have much better immunities now. Better hygiene. Better ways of coping. We don't have disease and filth running in our streets, nor do we have a flea population that devastated Europe because we don't actually sleeps with our livestock any more.

Can you get off yr gloom and doom soap box !

Hey, I don't run the news cycle. You say you don't want bad news, well I suggest you get off the bus because there aren't many good news stories unless you count the Pope offering forgiveness for abortion for a limited time. I notice our out spoken abortion abolitionists avoided that one. There is no reason we cannot discuss something. Okay you say we have better hygene, etc, so all the more reason we should ask, how come so many cases are recorded in a particular region? And I make no apology for asking the question.

I am still stuck on how this is even an issue.

I have had bowel movements that are more important then this crap.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Yes and at Ellis island, the immigrants were Brits, Irish and Scottish. Children were separated from their parents and sent into servitude or sent back on the next boat out if they didn't have the proper paperwork, or could write properly. That was all misguided travesty. Those people were promised safe passage and 80 percent never got it once they arrived.

There was a famine in Ireland for chrissake and you were to be the best country for their salvation. Well, it was not.

Not quite , The Northern Europe migration occurred in the mid 19th century ...and yes it was less controlled subject to the abuses you mention. By the early 20th century between 1905 and 1914, an average of one million immigrants per year arrived in the US. Two-thirds of those individuals emigrated from eastern, southern and central Europe.

The policy was that immigrants had to be healthy and MUST have some money because the government did not want immigrants who were going to be dependents on the state . Usually they needed around $25 bucks . Ellis Island was used as a hospital for people who could recover . But about 2% were denied admission for various reasons.

After 1924 ,immigration was restricted and most processing occurred over seas .

It really doesn't matter where immigrants come from. There should be a rational screening system that does NOT award people who violate the admission requirements . I work with many natives of India . They follow the rules for themselves and their families that follow them. I often joke and ask them why are they going through so much trouble ? Why not just get a plane ticket to Mexico city ?

Yes we all have those but it is an issue to someone otherwise it wouldn't get airplay. It is newsworthy only because of recent deaths and not so recent epidemics

I think it rates higher than a bowel movement. Also I see it has 28 responses and that is certainly higher than a daily movement. Just my take.

Yes I thought it was worth a mention even if only to keep a count on pestilence

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Originally Posted by tickle

Yes and at Ellis island, the immigrants were Brits, Irish and Scottish. Children were separated from their parents and sent into servitude or sent back on the next boat out if they didn't have the proper paperwork, or could write properly. That was all misguided travesty. Those people were promised safe passage and 80 percent never got it once they arrived.

There was a famine in Ireland for chrissake and you were to be the best country for their salvation. Well, it was not.

My Grandfather came here due to that famine. He managed before he died even though he was never rich...

Perhaps we should have sent them to Canada instead.

A d the point of going to Canada and missing out on the land of opportunity?

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Originally Posted by catonsville

I think it rates higher than a bowel movement. Also I see it has 28 responses and that is certainly higher than a daily movement. Just my take.

The important question is why not what. It is fear mongering with no shame. Instead of reporting important news, this drivel is what is coming out.

This should be background noise.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

A d the point of going to Canada and missing out on the land of opportunity?

Poutine. Seriously.

Yawn. 😴

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Originally Posted by paraclete

A d the point of going to Canada and missing out on the land of opportunity?

So was yours ? After cpt cook found you, England thought it was a good idea to populate Australia with convicts and Miscreants.

Canada had its share at that time of immigrants, but I dare you to find they were treated badly.

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Originally Posted by catonsville

I think it rates higher than a bowel movement. Also I see it has 28 responses and that is certainly higher than a daily movement. Just my take.

Why would you be so crass as to compare it to a bowel movement?

I don't know guys, usually these issues started by para start to stink and go stale.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Canada had its share at that time of immigrants, but I dare you to find they were treated badly.

Prejudice and Discrimination - The Canadian Encyclopedia

Craven Said:
I am still stuck on how this is even an issue.
I have had bowel movements that are more important then this crap.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by catonsville https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom...post-right.png
I think it rates higher than a bowel movement. Also I see it has 28 responses and that is certainly higher than a daily movement. Just my take.

Sorry I don't know how to post so that all the credits are given to whomever stated them

Tickle Said to Me:
Why would you be so crass as to compare it to a bowel movement?
I don't know guys, usually these issues started by para start to stink and go stale.

Just to set the record straight I did not start "The Bowel Movement" comment, it was mentioned by CRAVEN. I was just trying to upgrade the Plague to something higher than their bowel movement. It seems like everyone is not entitled to an opinion on here, if it does not meet certain peoples standards. Tickle maybe you should read before you jump on people.

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Originally Posted by tickle

So was yours ? After cpt cook found you, England thought it was a good idea to populate Australia with convicts and Miscreants.

Canada had its share at that time of immigrants, but I dare you to find they were treated badly..

So to answer my question which was what was to be gained by Smoothies family being migrants to Canada over being migrants to the US? The point was they would not have been treated badly. Cpt Cook didn't find us because we weren't missing. the continent of Australia had been known for centuries. I know the point of being a migrant to Australia although my family came from Ireland long ago as free settlers, not guests of the English king. Australia was populated by free people, no slaves, no slave owners and definitely not miscreants

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Prejudice and Discrimination - The Canadian Encyclopedia

You must have searched long and hard for that gem, Tal. Early settlement in the 1700s and Immigration within the last 150 years are not the same thing.