There is a real problem of definition here, Liberal over there means socialist where as here it means progressive; left wing versus right wing thinking. For us the socialists' left wing thinking causes big problems which take years to unravel. Our liberals are the enlightenment type thinking liberals not the socialist type thinking liberals so for us social programs can work if they are not over the top. However you have and have had allsorts of issues we don't have to deal with; deep racial divide, entrenched poverty, large scale illegal immigration, militarism, vigilantism

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's what we have in socialist canada - the GST... it was instituted by the liberals. Your ignorance knows no bounds LOL.

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I guess you know a lot about Liberal ignorance knowing no bounds... being the resident example of that.

That made no sense at all.

Give it a little thought, maybe have a coffee, give yourself time to wake up... it makes far more sense than what you said.

That's your standard non-response that you always give instead of answering anything. LOL.

he's just nasty tonight

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That's your standard non-response that you always give instead of answering anything. LOL.

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I learned it from you... the king of people who's ignorance knows no bounds.

Ok.

bad attitude

The only thing you have left out of your article, that liberals have been saying for years now, is the republican filibustering all the solutions to those problems for years. Refusing to compromise as in the latest filibuster of a minimum raise hike, is the biggest impediment to progress there is, so while you blame the administration, take a huge chunk of the blame for your side as well.

Glad you are finally waking up to a lot of work has to be done yet has been put off by your side. Rich guys ain't going to bail us out, Creating demand on Main Street will, and that takes more trickle not less. A lot more. But of course workers stuck with jobs that make billions for corporation but keeps the workers on welfare is your idea of just fine.

It would be far worse if we weren't filibustering more of the same bad ideas and bad programs that got us in this mess since Lord Obama was coronated.

Practically every idea Lord Obama Messiah and master of everything has had... has been historically bad... and historically destructive.

Its been abundently clear... the poor aren't going to bail us out.. they are the ones dragging us under. Hands out for free stuff but contributing absolutely nothing in return.

And what part of raising the minimum wage going to spark hyper inflation do you not understand...

Tal I know you are old enough to have been around to see what Jimmy Carter gave us. And you were an Adult then to really see it and remember it they way kids wouldn't have. Rememebr the 10 -15% inflation rates, the Interest rates on mortgages of nearly 17%.


Jack up the minimum wage... something that only 5% of the population earns will require increasing the wages on everyone that's above the minimum wage as well. Do you think anyone that's worked to earn their way up a few dollars above the minimum are going to be happy they are working harder than some new trained monkey that knows nothing makes? Nope they are going to be demanding raises as well which significantly effects a much large percentage of the population... meaning prices on everything will have to raise to accommodate it, eroding buying power and the people you were claiming to help... not being any better off then they were. And in fact are likely to be far worse off than they were.

sharing just doesn't appeal to you does it

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sharing just doesn't appeal to you does it

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Sharing what... from the day the messiah got in office it was our way or the highway. In fact Obamacare was written behind closed doors without Republicans even being allowed in.

Incidentally.. its our imperative to disagree with the emperor. We have a majority in the House... and we are ever more likely to take the majority in the senate in the mid tem election as well.

The Dems of today believe the president is a King... when it's their guy... when the reality he not... we have coequal branches of government... the Executive branch doesn't lord over the rest , nor does the Legislative or Judicial... and that's codified in the constitution. And that takes a 75% vote of the states to change.

I don't know not one democrat or progressive that thinks this president is an emperor or dictator or KING, just conservatives, and far right republicans embellishing their own rhetoric. No biggie to me because as you say, I have seen a lot of thing. After 4 or eight years we get a new president. In 3 we get a new president.

See the pattern here? Surely you don't expect the president or the congress to be any better than the electorate they come from do you? None ever has before, none will. But when you get the power back, you can be the targets of embellished rhetoric. It is what it is.

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I don't know not one democrat or progressive that thinks this president is an emperor or dictator or KING

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The only ones I know of are working for OFA and the Teachers' Unions, but they normally grant him higher office.

I don't know how you say Obama is a king he has issued less Presidential decrees than republican presidents, you just don't like the fact that he bypassed your intractiable house on the ACA. So okay if you are successful in gaining the ascendency in the Senate you might even impeach the president until then don't hold your breath. But, do you have the will to travel the hard yards and do what must be don't

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I don't know how you say Obama is a king he has issued less Presidential decrees than republican presidents, you just don't like the fact that he bypassed your intractiable house on the ACA. So okay if you are successful in gaining the ascendency in the Senate you might even impeach the president until then don't hold your breath. But, do you have the will to travel the hard yards and do what must be don't

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THere is a HUGE differnce in WHAT KINDS he was doing. Other presidents didin't drop their pants and moon the rest of the government saying screw you, I'll do it my way anyway.

THe plus side...every one of his executive orders can be cancelled and reversed by a single executive order when the Republicans get voted in next presidential election. They aren't Laws that THe house and senate need to have a majority vote for to change.

so let me understand this you are saying presidential orders are ok because they are easily repealed, the new emperor can do it with a wave of his hand, but the laws passed by the legislature are sacrosanct, what happened to equal parts of government. I think you expect to do away with the ACA with a wave of your hand in three years, but it may not be so easy

Don't blow his bubble Clete!

Tal ( and the few remaining Obama worshipers) think Obamas words are equal to the Tablets brought down from Mt. Arafat by Moses... when they are really equal to the ravings of a lunatic scribbled on napkins in crayon.


There is NO executive order that can be imposed that can't be as easily undone by the next administration... thats always been true... and always will be true.

But yes....the next republican president CAN shut down the ACA with an executive order....just like Obama and Holder have simple stopped allowing other laws to be enfiorced. There is ni legal reason a Republican can't push those limits as far as Obama has...