Ask Me Help Desk - Is the drug war over?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:
So, you DON'T believe a prosecutor should be given the discretion to prosecute in the very first place, decide which charges to bring, determine whether a defendant should be tried as an adult or a juvenile, how the trial is to be conducted, whether a plea bargain should be negotiated, what the TERMS of the plea bargain should be, what sentence to recommend, and what position he should take on parole and probation????

Now, of course, you think a prosecutor should have that discretion. What you object to is the HEAD prosecutor having it.. I have NO idea why.

excon

This isn't a case of discretion like some cop deciding to not see a pot smoker . This is the Attorney General of the United States deciding that he is going to make law (actually I don't believe for one second that this is his call) .
Now I have no beef with the effort to end mandatory sentencing . In fact I applaud the efforts of Dem Sen.Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Republic Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky to introduce legislation to give judges the discretion. But I am sick and tired of this emperor and his minions running roughshod over the laws and telling us they will pick which laws are worthy of them doing their sworn duty .

That's not what he did. He outlined how AG's across the country could/should exercise their discretion to address a problem (overcrowding in prisons, and mandatory and unfair sentencing, based on race and income, and the cost of those policies) the congress has yet to address or solve.

Of course less prisoners means less profits for the private prison industry which is the only concern of many on the right.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Of course less prisoners means less profits for the private prison industry which is the only concern of many on the right.

Wow, you can take that profit motive/special interest narrative and apply it to any situation to b*tch about conservatives. Shame you can't bring yourself to have the same intense outrage when it comes from your side.

Open your eyes Tal, your side, with your president leading the way is as bad as anyone in that regard.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Wow, you can take that profit motive/special interest narrative and apply it to any situation to b*tch about conservatives. Shame you can't bring yourself to have the same intense outrage when it comes from your side.

Open your eyes Tal, your side, with your president leading the way is as bad as anyone in that regard.

Most of my family and friends are staunch conservatives, so your outrage, and squeal points are nothing new. Open your eyes why don't you and recognize everyone is not a stanch conservative.

You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

Most of my family and friends are staunch conservatives, so your outrage, and squeal points are nothing new. Open your eyes why don't you and recognize everyone is not a stanch conservative.

I already recognize and respect that, when will you realize not every greedy rich guy and politician is not a "staunch conservative?"

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You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.

He says while throwing rocks...

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I already recognize and respect that, when will you realize not every greedy rich guy and politician is not a "staunch conservative?"

No every greedy rich guy has one objective and he will support which ever politician will assist him to achieve his objective

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He says while throwing rocks...

Scientists are working on genetically altering Cannibis to induce irreversable impotence in human users.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Scientists are working on genetically altering Cannibis to induce irreversable impotence in human users.

Hasn't the idea of breeding them out been tried before, if your idea gets up your nation will disappear in a generation. Who thinks up these bad ideas?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

hasn't the idea of breeding them out been tried before, if your idea gets up your nation will disappear in a generation. Who thinks up these bad ideas?

We weed out the weak ones... the Strong will take over... and everyone doesn't rely on pot... alcohol or some other drug to get through life. There will be plenty that remain.

Yes but many of your youth experiment so anyone who uses it falls in the trap, when the population falls it creates problems look at Detroit as an example. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

I remember you tried prohibition unsuccessfully that should have taught you something about behaviour and the general weakness of the human condition

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Originally Posted by paraclete

. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

And before that the eugenics movement came out of the American progressive movement and the Harvard / Ivy League elites ,with the likes of Charles B. Davenport and Harry Laughlin ( he authored the 'Model Sterilization Law' that was adopted in many states. In 1936, the Nazis honored him by awarding him an honorary doctorate from Heidelberg University).Eugenics was wholly compatible with the progressive era's faith in science, the future, the regulatory potential of the state, and human perfectibility.It attracted such notable lefties as Emma Goldman, NAACP founder W.E.B. Dubois, H.G. Wells, John Maynard Keynes, George Bernard Shaw, World Wildlife Fund founder Julian Huxley, SCOTUS justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger.
Here is a quote from Justice Holmes...
It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for the crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.... Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
Over 60,000 Americans were sterilized long before the Nazis .Of particular note was Margaret Sanger who is now celebrated by the left . She added a racist tone to her advocacy . She set up clinics specifically with the goal of controlling black "breeding " (Negro Project) . Here is a quote that sums up this policy
“The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.”
Planned Parenthood lives on as a tribute to her life's work and the American eugenics movement's legacy is the 50 million + American babies legally snuffed .

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes but many of your youth experiment so anyone who uses it falls in the trap, when the population falls it creates problems look at Detroit as an example. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

I remember you tried prohibition unsuccessfully that should have taught you something about behaviour and the general weakness of the human condition

Mao for all his numerous faults... had a very effective anti-drug program...

One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.

Hello smoothy:

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One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.

I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for?? I think so.

Excon

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A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??

It seems to be that - he wants bigger government overseeing everything the people do.

Hello again,

Now, I don't know about you, but when a potential Republican presidential candidate APPROVED pot for CHILDREN, the drug war is over..

Chris Christie approves medical marijuana for children – conditionally.

excon

I wonder what other prescriptions get approved through executive action. I thought the FDA controlled the approval process.

Cristie is in the middle of a mental breakdown.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:
I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either.... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??? I think so.

excon

Actually the drug problem in N Korea is Crystal-Meth
North Korea Grapples With Crystal Meth Epidemic - Korea Real Time - WSJ

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It seems to be that - he wants bigger government overseeing everything the people do.

Are you still ranting about things you don't have a clue about?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello smoothy:
I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either.... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??? I think so.

excon

I think habitual drunks should be lumped in with them as well. Since such a large percentage of crime is committed under the influence of something other than Mountain Dew and Gummi Bears.