Hello again, tom:

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What changed is the uneven application of the law for political reason . Further, if there was an intentional conspiracy to apply that for political reasons ,then it was criminal conduct.

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Those ARE the allegations, that, if proven true, will be the end of Obama..

There's NO change in your sides attempt to call EVERYTHING under the sun a scandal, though... By doing so, if a REAL scandal came along, you wouldn't recognize it..

Let me see.. We had Fast and Furiousgate. We had golfgate and vacationgate. We had Michelle flew in another airplanegate, We had mustardgate. Don't forget about FEMAgate, and nobulletgate. Now we have Benghazigate, IRSgate and throw in APgate for good measure...

But, THIS, is like all the rest... You ain't got NOTHING, but right wing flapping gums... Investigate to your hearts content.. Let me know when you find the smoking gun..

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

More deflections.. what I wrote in #15 are the facts as of this morning .Maybe you ought to take a glance at the IG report. That is just the opening of this . What we have already is at number of IRS officials caught lying in testimony and generally stonewalling .
This one is a no brainer . The Emperor tried to contain it by 'accepting the resignation' of some guy who had already quit. More heads will roll before it's over . The real question is how high up the food chain will it go ?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The real question is how high up the food chain will it go ?

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Even the least effective Speaker of the House since Joseph Byrns wants to know who's going to jail.

Speaker Bonehead should shut up and push to get an independent prosecutor and work on getting a select committee to hold hearings . All he's going to accomplish with his rhetoric is to get the lower level ops at IRS to lawyer and clam up.

Here is a blast from the past... from the Dem 2004 Keynote Address by Senator Barack Obama :
That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution

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Originally Posted by tomder55

here is a blast from the past ....from the Dem 2004 Keynote Address by Senator Barack Obama :
That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution

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Tom that's a bridge too far, what you have here is a group of people wanting tax exempt status and the IRS investigating, they weren't targeted as a retribution. In other words they put the name of their organisation forward. What is wrong is they were catapulted to the head of the list because of the wording of that name, they were profiled.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Tom that's a bridge too far, what you have here is a group of people wanting tax exempt status and the IRS investigating, they weren't targetted as a retribution. In other words they put the name of their organisation forward. What is wrong is they were catapulted to the head of the list because of the wording of that name, they were profiled.

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Clete, the furor is that, based on the organizations name, only some groups went to the head of the line, while others were delayed. Even that's not so bad, it's bureaucracy at it's norm. The criminality is that numerous officials lied under oath, stating that this wasn't happening. On top of the cover-up over Benghazi and stabbing the administration's staunchest supporter, the Associated Press, in the back, it begins to look like the Nixon White House on steroids.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Clete, the furor is that, based on the organizations name, only some groups went to the head of the line, while others were delayed. Even that's not so bad, it's bureaucracy at it's norm. The criminality is that numerous officials lied under oath, stating that this wasn't happening. On top of the cover-up over Benghazi and stabbing the administration's staunchest supporter, the Associated Press, in the back, it begins to look like the Nixon White House on steroids.

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Hey I get it, I really do, malfeasance, officials exceeding their authority and doing their own thing and misusing the power of the state. I understand you have a number of issues at the moment that all fall under the heading of veracity, the willingness to tell the truth. There have been bad decisions and the buck always stops at the top. Here's the rub. BO is in his last term you can't impact him more than he has already been impacted. Evita has gone, maybe to come back, maybe not. I heard a commentator say that these things stay in the american public conscience for maybe twelve months so they have a little way to run but something else will eclipse them

You have a polarised electorate and everything is magnified out of proportion as people try to gain the ascendency but while all this furore goes on the important things don't get done

No it's only allegedly "magnified out of proportion " when it's Dems doing it . But far less than this merited a special prosecutor on a witch hunt trying to take down the entire Bush Adm.

Even ex has to begin seeing the pattern soon:

Lawmakers to investigate EPA FOIA scandal | The Daily Caller

The superciliousness of this administration is worthy of British cartoonists

Hello again, Catsmine:

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Even ex has to begin seeing the pattern soon:

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“According to documents obtained by the Committees, EPA readily granted FOIA fee waivers for environmental allies, effectively subsidizing them, while denying fee waivers and making the FOIA process more difficult for states and conservative groups,” wrote Republican lawmakers, including Rep. Darrell Issa and Sens. David Vitter, Chuck Grassley and Jim Inhof in a letter to the EPA.

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The only pattern I see here is the right wing haters, INCLUDING the scumbag who publishes the Caller, having multiple orgasms...

Excon

And they call the Repubics 'the party of no '
No doubt this was just some over-zealous low level employees in the Boise Idaho EPA office.
Gina McCarthy is the Emperor's pick to replace Lisa Jackson as head of the EPA . There is no way she should be confirmed until this issue is fully investigated. Why is this critical ? Because the Dems increasingly bypass the legislative process ,and use the regulatory agencies like the EPA to create and enforce law.

Also we see that this systemic bias now exists in at least 2 regulatory agencies . Why should we assume that it ends there ? What other bureaucracy streamlines progressive liberal agenda while creating unfair roadblocks to the conservative ? I think we are only looking at the tip of the iceberg .

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And they call the Repubics 'the party of no '
No doubt this was just some over-zealous low level employees in the Boise Idaho EPA office.
Gina McCarthy is the Emperor's pick to replace Lisa Jackson as head of the EPA . There is no way she should be confirmed until this issue is fully investigated. Why is this critical ? Because the Dems increasingly bypass the legislative process ,and use the regulatory agencies like the EPA to create and enforce law.

Also we see that this systemic bias now exists in at least 2 regulatory agencies . Why should we assume that it ends there ? What other bureaucracy streamlines progressive liberal agenda while creating unfair roadblocks to the conservative ? I think we are only looking at the tip of the iceberg .

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Tom, you haven't lost the propensity to to state the obvious. Of course the Dems are by passing the legislative process in order to to create legislation. You highlight the problem often enough when it comes to your criticism of SCOTUS.
The difference here is that in order to, 'create legislation' you don't need to justify the reason for doing so.

This whole business is a loophole. A Loophole that was created a long time ago. Tom, I understand you are interested in political history. Go back to Madison and the Federalist Papers Number 10. That faction existed then, exists now.

Clete, they were profiled - and then given a rectal exam over and over.

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Clete, they were profiled - and then given a rectal exam over and over.

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Wasn't this the same type of criticism leveled at the states in terms of probing the 'orifices' of females?

If poor guys of color can be profiled, why can't conservatives?

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Go back to Madison and the Federalist Papers Number 10. That faction existed then, exists now.

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That faction existed in Babylon. The debate over free men versus slaves is as old as Moses and Pharoh. Draw your own parallels. The most amusing I can come up with is Rand Paul with Red Sea mud on his shoes and Barack Obama in a bogged down Silverado.

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That faction existed in Babylon. The debate over free men versus slaves is as old as Moses and Pharoh. Draw your own parallels. The most amusing I can come up with is Rand Paul with Red Sea mud on his shoes and Barack Obama in a bogged down Silverado.

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My reference was to Statism versus Federalism.

Going on the history of posts that have been provided, it seems to be an important issue. If you see this as a debate as, "over free men versus slaves", then there is a minority here that seems to view it in these terms. In other words, they view it in terms of Federalism versus Statism.

You call it factions that Madison was warning against... I call it reprisal against citizens exercising their 1st amendment right of "petition the government for redress of grievances " ,their right of association ,and assembly .Madison in # 10 speaks of guarding against factions, with interests contrary to the rights of others or the interests of the whole community.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

you call it factions that Madison was warning against ...I call it reprisal against citizens exercising their 1st amendment right of "petition the government for redress of grievances " ,their right of association ,and assembly .

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I am happy to call it what ever you like, but in the final analysis it is an inadequacy.

I added on to my last comment to illustrate the difference between the Tea Party groups and the factions Madison was referring to.