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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You still haven't figured out that government policies are why jobs are going overseas. I know, those evil corporations expect to make a profit to survive, even the ones Obama is beholden to, damn them. And so liberals answer is to clamp down more, regulate more and penalize businesses for trying to survive the burden government puts on them. You create the mess then exacerbate it with more of the same.

What are you not getting about being allowed a chance to thrive so everyone can have a slice of the pie instead of apportioning a crumb to everyone?

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But businesses have been thriving even under Obama, record profits dude, even through a recession the banks created. Companies went to Mexico, then overseas to exploit cheap labor and sweat shops. That's been going on for 30 years. Deregulation and no energy or immigration policy. You mean for us to thrive we have to have the rules and taxes of third world nations o thrive and survive?

You making excuse for corporate greed and welfare is nothing new though is it? That's why a Rubio who parrots Romney was a big thing to you guys. Even while he admits how government hand outs is what helped him get where he is.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

But businesses have been thriving even under Obama, record profits dude, even thru a recession the banks created. Companies went to Mexico, then overseas to exploit cheap labor and sweat shops. Thats been going on for 30 years. Deregulation and no energy or immigration policy. You mean for us to thrive we have to have the rules and taxes of third world nations o thrive and survive?

You making excuse for corporate greed and welfare is nothing new though is it? Thats why a Rubio who parrots Romney was a big thing to you guys. Even while he admits how government hand outs is what helped him get where he is.

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Rubio is nothing like Romney. Dude, corporate America is sitting on cash because they aren't going to go on a hiring spree because of being choked by regulation and the uncertainty Obama breeds. And one only needs so many English majors and art students, they suck at construction.

They weren't so choked by regulation when they were making huge profits up the butt.

They weren't choked by regulations when they got bailed out either.

They weren't choked by regulations when they exploited cheap slave labor in other countries.

They weren't choked by regulations when Bush cut their taxes either.

So what could those regulations that are choking them so bad be? You can't name not one can you? You just repeat the same old spin as the repub spin machine that got us the "job creators" BS.

They want no regulation, you want no government. Not so strange bedfellows at all.

The business model is broken by greed and corruption, and you support it instead of calling for change that would stop the crumbs from trickling down and we could get a piece of the pie. Keep hollering, sensible Americans ain't listening

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Originally Posted by talaniman

The point is Rubios family wasn't deported and thrived on government hand outs. Let the mexicans do the same since they were here first, not as immigrants but as natives until the european immigrants decided to make them illegal.



Just like all the immigrants did until european immigrants decide they were first class and everybody else was second class and since the Indians that were here first were a lousy class they had to go by force.

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Would those be the same hand outs that obama received for being an immigrant ?

Hey Dad, he was born in Hawaii, right, how can he be an immigrant?

I get it; you're a birther, right?

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Originally Posted by talaniman

They weren't so choked by regulation when they were making huge profits up the butt.

They weren't choked by regulations when they got bailed out either.

They weren't choked by regulations when they exploited cheap slave labor in other countries.

They weren't choked by regulations when Bush cut their taxes either.

So what could those regulations that are choking them so bad be? You can't name not one can you? You just repeat the same old spin as the repub spin machine that got us the "job creators" BS.

They want no regulation, you want no government. Not so strange bedfellows at all.

The business model is broken by greed and corruption, and you support it instead of calling for change that would stop the crumbs from trickling down and we could get a piece of the pie. Keep hollering, sensible Americans ain't listening

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I'm not the one hollering DAILY about corporate greed. Unlike you I'm not so cynical about business in America, I'm a realist. You'd rather hear feel good nonsense about creating 6 million jobs under Obama while ignoring the fact that we still have 3.2 million fewer jobs since 2007.

You and ex can holler all you want about hiring but in the real world businesses are not going to hire unless it makes sense, that's just a fact of life. Also unlike you I don't believe profits are evil, you can't sustain a business without them, also another fact of life, and when government keeps trying to find more ways to take their profits why the hell would they sit there and say "ok, take my money please"? It's not rocket science. Do you do that, or do you find ways to minimize your tax burden?

You can't seriously believe we aren't over-regulated. Try here, here, here, here, here and here for starters. Let me know when you've interpreted them all and assessed their impact, then we can move on to state regulations.

LOL, you stole the short cuts I use off my laptop. Ready to discuss any whose impact you find disturbing. Stick with federal, and also what part of a living wage is it you don't get?

I guess its okay for two people, at minimum wage working ALMOST 40 hours a week, and two young kids, to be on food stamps or energy assistance. But you rather defend a gazillionaire who has an office full of lawyers and accountants, to explain what all those regulations mean.

You put it out there so pick one regulation and I will explain it to you. Get another winger to help you if you like.

Dude, you said I couldn't name one, it's your turn. Explain away.

You didn't pick one, your links are home pages. What's your issue? Too many pages to read? Need a staff to read it for you? Broadbrushing in generalities is a stall tactic. Pick a regulation you disagree with. Take your time, no hurry.

The Dems loved this idea when they thought they had the Cuban vote locked up.

My same challenge to Speech goes to you too, Smoothy, pick a reg and lets tear it apart.

I wonder why no one has lighted on the paper work generated by obabamcare, but then that's a law not a regulation

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Originally Posted by talaniman

My same challenge to Speech goes to you too, Smoothy, pick a reg and lets tear it apart.

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I'll see if I can pick one out tomorrow... got a few things that need doing before I close up the office for today.

Sorry guys, my bad, I forgot what the topic of this thread was. Back to Rubio, if he brings his fellow TPartier to a good comprehensive immigration law, then he has creds to build on otherwise he is a not ready for prime time window dressing.

Don't tell the right his plan is similar to the Prez's plan.

Threads have topics?

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Originally Posted by paraclete

I wonder why no one has lighted on the paper work generated by obabamcare, but then that's a law not a regulation

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The thousands of pages of regulations associated with the law are only now being authored by the 4th branch of government .When they are finished there will be many more volumes in the Federal Register.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

You didn't pick one, your links are home pages. Whats your issue? Too many pages to read? Need a staff to read it for you? Broadbrushing in generalities is a stall tactic. Pick a regulation you disagree with. Take your time, no hurry.

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If all anyone needed to do was pick apart one regulation you might have a point, but as I demonstrated so aptly one regulation is not the problem. 49 CFR alone has 1699 sections, you can start with this one. Have at it.

So that's what Pelosi means by we will see what's in it

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Originally Posted by talaniman

My same challenge to Speech goes to you too, Smoothy, pick a reg and lets tear it apart.

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How about café standards ?

Corporate Average Fuel Economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

If all anyone needed to do was pick apart one regulation you might have a point, but as I demonstrated so aptly one regulation is not the problem. 49 CFR alone has 1699 sections, you can start with this one. Have at it.

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You demonstrated that you cannot read and cross reference data written as a law, and I can dig that, but if you could be so gracious as to name a regulation you object to I will find the specifics for you as it relates to a specific business.

It helps to have the specific business or industry or endeavor in mind though or else you chase your own tail when you don't know what you are searching for.

The transportation department overview and glossary you have cited covers many procedures and standards for MANY situations, across several agencies and several industries from clerical reporting rules to truck driver requirements for the labeling and moving of a variety of materials and handling thereof. It also lays out jurisdiction preference within the agencies involved and basically who is responsible for what area.

Without these regulations it's a disaster if something is mislabeled, mishandled or or not safely transported safely.

I thought you would present a specific regulation for a specific business, institution, or industry that you think is onerous, outdated, and unfair or the business cannot comply with. Being in Texas I thought you would have brought up the clean air restrictions on coal burning power plants, or emission standards on industries that discharge pollutants into the air.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

How about cafe standards ?

Corporate Average Fuel Economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Thanks dad, the amazing thing about the café standards is how it's driven all the participants to newer technologies from the steel alloys and new materials used to the robots that build them. When they make the right power source, and the infrastructure to support it, no telling where this is headed so my question is what your objection to it is?