Extremists are on both sides. I'd ignore all of them and look to the middle, which is where cooler and more rational heads normally prevail. Some good ideas on both sides, some bad ideas on both sides. Some goodness and some corruption on both sides. I do think this is the ugliest election I have ever seen in my lifetime, and I'm past middle aged.

Personally I think the middle is wishy-washy. Stand for something people.

If I say I'm a conservative then you have at least a general idea of my beliefs . What do I know about a moderate's beliefs ?

Get aalong?

In another "it's come to this" development, non-union crews from Alabama were turned away from assisting in the recovery.

Nonunion Ala. crews turned away from Sandy recovery

Really?

Alabama is full of stupid people?

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Alabama is full of stupid people?

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Really?

I guess so. Unions exists all over the place in different forms and in different countries and no one would refuse help after a natural disaster - the only variable here is the location, ergo Alabamians (or whatever) ain't the brightest in the bunch.

I'm quite sure utility workers in Alabama are just as capable as any other. The only variable is the union, and if I needed power and the union turned away help I'd be pi$$ed. But that's the union for you, arrogant a$$es that put themselves above people in need.

Time for Christie to show some REAL leadership ,and bring them into the state and provide the safety and appreciation they deserve .

Drove through Passaic County yesterday (not on the coast) ;and large swaths of the county are in the dark ;and residents are telling me that they are being told that they are 10-14 days away from getting power back.
Well ,this week we will get our first winter like event . The people on the 2 mile long lines for gas are not only filling their cars to go to work . Many are trying to fill gas cans to keep their generators operating . They are the lucky ones. The rest will be wrapping themselves in blankets in days.
To turn away people who drove 500 miles to assist is criminal .

dontknownuthin,
This election there is a record to examine. I'd argue that for a middle of the road ,no labels type of person there is no choice here but to vote for Romney based on performance and not ideology.
He was a Republican Governor of a very liberal Democrat State .He worked with an overwhelmingly Democrat state legislature and still achieved .

Contrast that with the current President ,the Great Divider .
His signature legislations stimulus ,Obamacare and Dodd-Frank will weigh on our economy for as long as they remain the law of the land. But more important ,they were rammed through without any reaching across the aisle and they destroyed any thought of bipartisanship from the guy who campaigned on the slogan that "there are no red states or blue states, only the United States of America." Even after the 2010 landslide election in Congress ,the President couldn't manage to pivot to lead the country.If anything ,his actions became even more partisan ,divisive ,and extremist.

He opposed Arizona's attempts to enforce Federal law on immigration to appease one constituency . He opposed Boeing's new factory in South Carolina to appease another . To get a czar of the new National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau installed he bypassed the Constitutional Senate authority for advise and consent. He killed 25,000 jobs to appease the environmental constitutency when he blocked the Keystone XL pipeline . I could go on ,but you get the idea.

If you are looking for a President that has demonstrated he can reach a consensus then Romney's you candidate.

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I'm quite sure utility workers in Alabama are just as capable as any other. The only variable is the union, and if I needed power and the union turned away help I'd be pi$$ed. But that's the union for you, arrogant a$$es that put themselves above people in need.

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No one was turned away according to the video by the General Manager of Decatur Utilities.

"Looking at some documentation or some requirements that were placed on our employees by the local union that work in those areas. So once we were able to try and obtain copies of that information. It was a quick decision. But those things that concerned us;placed requirements on our employees. Again, this was at the end of the day so our folks had been stalled and not been able to proceed that day. We had concerns it was going to take some time before we could resolve the questions about the requirements the union might place on us. And WE made the decision late last night to go ahead and bring our guys home. It was something WE felt like we needed to do because of the time our guys had been stalled"

The General Manager goes on to say that (in his opinion) it is not a union versus non-union issue.

My emphasis in the quote on the WE tells us that the union did not turn away the help.

Tut

Back to topic

Here is the latest :
Obama aide Kareem Dale, a partially disabled man who is Special Assistant to the President for disability policy, told a group of volunteers at DNC headquarters Thursday they should "win this motherf*****."

This is the overheated hyper-partisan vulgarity that dontknownutin is speaking of. Dale preceded this with a comment that suggest Romney wants to kill people with disabilities. It follows similar outrages from VP Biden and Michelle Obama suggesting that Romney wants to put blacks back on the plantation (Michelle... "back to the crop fields" and Biden... "They want y'all back in chains!").

Hey Dale ! Obamacare provides funding for 16,000 new IRS agents and not a single doctor ! Who's trying to kill you ?

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No one was turned away according to the video by the General Manager of Decatur Utilities.

"Looking at some documentation or some requirements that were placed on our employees by the local union that work in those areas. So once we were able to try and obtain copies of that information. It was a quick decision. But those things that concerned us;placed requirements on our employees. Again, this was at the end of the day so our folks had been stalled and not been able to proceed that day. we had concerns it was going to take some time before we could resolve the questions about the requirements the union might place on us. And WE made the decision late last night to go ahead and bring our guys home. It was something WE felt like we needed to do because of the time our guys had been stalled"

The General Manager goes on to say that (in his opinion) it is not a union versus non-union issue.

My emphasis in the quote on the WE tells us that the union did not turn away the help.

Tut

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There is audio somewhere (I'll find it) that shows the workers being confronted by unionized utility workers calling them scabs and to go home.

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There is audio somewhere (I'll find it) that shows the workers being confronted by unionized utility workers calling them scabs and to go home.

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Tom, don't worry about finding it. I am not disputing what you are claiming.

I am disputing the accuracy of the claim that the workers were turned away by the union.

Tut

Well since I can't verify the veracity of the source of the audio I withdraw the comment anyway. The audio is real ;but there is nothing in the audio that clearly links it to this incident . Further ,I just listened to Goveror Christie's presser from yesterday ;and he said it was all a big misunderstanding .

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PS: thanks for those interesting tidbits of American history.

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There will be more on the 1800 election tomorrow evening on '60 Minutes'

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...worse-in-1800/

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"because of the time our guys had been stalled"

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I noticed that part, too.

Mr. Hopenchange, the guy who ushered in a new era of civility, wants Americans to get "revenge" at the polls.

Romney responded of course.

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That evening, in West Chester, Romney responded, "Our big dreams will not be satisfied by his small agenda that already failed us. Today, did you see what President Obama said today? He asked his supporters to vote for revenge – for revenge. Instead I ask the American people to vote for love of country."

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Again, one man is president and the other is presidential.

From Christie's presser yesterday :
"I've been on the phone with PSE&G [Public Service Electric and Gas Company], JCP&L [Jersey Central Power & Light] and the union, and they've all absolutely promised me they would never turn away a single worker whether they were union or nonunion, and I wouldn't allow it,” ......“I would invoke my powers under the Disaster Control Act to prevent that from happening, but they've assured me we don't have to.”