WG one can adopt individualism over collectivism and still be a believer in God . My experience is that it's more likely that the collectivists are more likely to be atheists .

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WG one can adopt individualism over collectivism and still be a believer in God . My experience is that it's more likely that the collectivists are more likely to be atheists .

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That wasn't my point.

I don't see any other apparent contradiction in his 2 statements that would make it a flip flop. .

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I don't see any other apparent contradiction in his 2 statements that would make it a flip flop. .

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Hello again, tom:

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"It's inspired me so much that it's required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff."

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"I reject her philosophy".

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Looks like a flip flop to me.. But, you guys define flip flop differently than ordinary folks.

Excon

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another bogus strawman.

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I love it when you dismiss ideas that goes against your "free market", "supply side" ideology.

I break it down this way, CORPORATE WELFARE is acceptable, INDIVIDUAL welfare is NOT. That's where corporations write the rules and regulations, and we get drill, baby, drill, AND no corporate responsibility for Exxon Valdez, or BP in the Gulf.

Big oil hates green technology, and electric cars, so NO cap and trade! Bogus strawman argument you say, okay WHO benefits from a keystone pipeline? Big Oil! Who pays for it? Taxpayers.

Conservatives always HOLLER "another bogus straw man" when facts conflicts with their ideology. That's easier than admitting the simple truths about your free market corporate welfare that we the people pay for.

Corporate extraction is R/R/R/R economy of choice in this election

R/R/R/R... Romney Ryan Roadmap to Ruin!! (or more BS... Bush on Steroids)

Hello again,

When vetting veep candidates, did Romney ask them for tax returns? If so, how many years' worth did they supply?

Ex what was on the President's Year Book ? That he was a member of the Choom gang ? Yeah I think it was.

Tal ,unless you can prove that R/R believe the market should operate without rules and regulations then indeed it is a strawman and a falsehood you state .

WG ,what Mitt requires for vetting HIS VP candidate is his business. Mitt has fulfilled what is required of him .

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WG ,what Mitt requires for vetting HIS VP candidate is his business. Mitt has fulfilled what is required of him .

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Have we seen his birth certificate?

I won't reply to that since I've never made that an issue.

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Tal ,unless you can prove that R/R believe the market should operate without rules and regulations then indeed it is a strawman and a falsehood you state .

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http://www.mittromney.com/issues/regulation

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•Amend Clean Air Act to exclude carbon dioxide from its purview

•Prevent overregulation of shale gas development and extraction

Under regulations;

A Romney administration will act swiftly to tear down the vast edifice of regulations the Obama administration has imposed on the economy. It will also seek to make structural changes to the federal bureaucracy that ensure economic growth remains front and center when regulatory decisions are made.

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•Amend NLRA to explicitly protect the right of business owners to allocate their capital as they see fit

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Even you righties don't know his specifics, but it looks good on paper doesn't it?

So he wants to eliminate over-regulation. So do I . That doesn't mean he thinks' the market should operate without rules and regulations '.

So Romney thinks he is the next President, is this the Ryan-Romney ticket?

Only if you think Biden is running the country now.

No Romney said it, I heard him, many a slip twixt the tongue and the lip

He picked Ryan because Ryan is a conservative hero to many, and he needed the help in a big way and TPawl, and Portman were not the energizers Ryan is, nor do they have the skills, or reputation Ryan brings to the table.

Let the real vetting begin.

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The Ryan pick is good because there is no more gray area . We have a clear ideological choice in this election.

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Hello again, tom:

I agree.. I hope we HAVE that debate instead of demigougery. Do I think we'll get it? Nahhh.

excon

Mr Ryan and the right have a lots of rocks to dodge, just saying. I mean they have been throwing rocks at this president for 3 solid years. Lets have the debate, but lets also keep the rocks handy. We know the right has plenty, because that's all they got.