Dear excon:

It depends on WHO instituted them, if they are acceptable or not. Like my righty husband says (paraphrased), "It's good if a Republican thought of it and made it happen."

WG

Hello again, Carol:

Being asked for your papers, which is WHAT these cops are asking, is NOXIOUS. It's reminiscent of the Gestapo, and the SS. Next, they'll be having us wear armbands to show whether we're citizens or not...

What's even MORE noxious, is this fascist creep is being done in CONSORT with the America loving Republican party. And, they can't see a thing... I guess that's what happened in Germany..

excon

Dear excon:

It's NOXIOUS because it's happening WITHIN our borders. With an scary agenda behind it.

WG

A random check would be unconstitutional . But check points that aren't randomly conducted in a systematic, predesignated manner are constitutional.

If you are driving a vehicle, you have an obligation to produce license, registration and proof of insurance when demanded by a cop . If you don't like it you don't have to drive . If you don't want to go through TSA ,don't fly.
It applies to all drivers who passes through the checkpoint.

It is not just on the Southern border either . There are many times I drive though road blocks in NY where the cops will ,at a minimum ,look at the registration and insurance sticker on the windshield before you can move on.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

If you don't want to go through TSA ,don't fly.

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I don't, so I don't.

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It is not just on the Southern border either . There are many times I drive though road blocks in NY where the cops will ,at a minimum ,look at the registration and insurance sticker on the windshield before you can move on.

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Are the cops in your area willing to say what they are looking for? (The ones here do.) Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints? (There are here.)

Do the police in S.Cal. tell motorists what they are looking for? Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints?

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

What blows my mind, is that you righty's are FINE with these intrusions on your private life, and don't see ANY Constitutional incursions - NONE!

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Dude, no one likes checkpoints but you keep avoiding my point and moving the line back and forth. This was my answer to your last objection, what about it?

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"For what, the third time now? No one is "searching." These checkpoints did not change the criteria for a search, but I already said that. Is it illegal to question or check for ID at a checkpoint? "

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Well?

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Whereas, you scream and moan about Obama's SOCIALISTIC unconstitutional administration. But, I can't find ANYTHING he did that was even CLOSE to unconstitutional...

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His contraception mandate is the most blatant and obvious trampling of the constitution in my lifetime if you ask me. Why you can't see it I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Dear excon:

It's NOXIOUS because it's happening WITHIN our borders. With an scary agenda behind it.

WG

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And you apparently think protecting our borders stops at a line on a map. Bwa ha ha ha!!

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Dude, no one likes checkpoints but you keep avoiding my point and moving the line back and forth. This was my answer to your last objection, what about it?

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What are the police looking for? Do they admit that during the checks?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And you apparently think protecting our borders stops at a line on a map. Bwa ha ha ha!!!

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Protecting our borders from a short, cute red-haired German-looking woman who can say only "hola" and "poco" and "adios"? Or from something else?

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Are the cops in your area willing to say what they are looking for? (The ones here do.) Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints? (There are here.)

Do the police in S.Cal. tell motorists what they are looking for? Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints?

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In my town and in many towns including the NATIONS CAPITAL.. road blocks are common in predesignated areas. The rest of the question is irrelevant . It is known that the ones I drive through that the cops are checking registration and insurance stickers because that is ALL they look at . These roadblocks on I -8 are looking to see if the driver has licenses. Why are they doing that ? Because illegals drive cars without licenses. BOO HOO to anyone inconvenienced .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Because illegals drive cars without licenses.

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So I would not have to be checked since I look nothing like an illegal (whatever that looks like).

What does an illegal look like?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I don't, so I don't.

Are the cops in your area willing to say what they are looking for? (The ones here do.) Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints? (There are here.)

Do the police in S.Cal. tell motorists what they are looking for? Are there alternate routes to avoid the checkpoints?

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Why does it matter if there are alternate routes? This sounds exactly like the voter ID arguments I alluded to earlier. Heaven forbid an American be inconvenienced in the least.

Just let everybody in, legalize everything, do away with standards, let anyone vote and make the federal government everyone's nanny. Does that about cover it?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Just let everybody in, legalize everything, do away with standards, let anyone vote and make the federal government everyone's nanny. Does that about cover it?

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Now you're being silly, universalizing the checkpoint thing, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Heaven forbid an American be inconvenienced in the least.

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You mean like religious institutions made to offer contraception? That kind of "inconvenience"?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You mean like religious institutions made to offer contraception? That kind of "inconvenience"?

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Yeah see, you think the feds forcing the church to violate their beliefs and first amendment rights is a trivial thing, but pulling out your drivers license is the end of the freakin' world.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Now you're being silly, universalizing the checkpoint thing, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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Silly? No, I'm not that far off.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

As a former NYer, I often visited Niagara Falls. You're saying US visitors to the American side can all be stopped and checked.

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BTW ,the zone for interior check point ranges within a 100 mile radius of a border. I can't find any instance of a check point at Niagara ; I know they do occasionally in the Buffalo area ; but on the Olympic Peninsula by EX . They have set them up at times.
Here in NY we commonly go through tunnel and bridge check points going into Manhattan ;even with the congestion on the roadways.

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Yeah see, you think the feds forcing the church to violate their beliefs and first amendment rights is a trivial thing, but pulling out your drivers license is the end of the freakin' world.

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Actually no, I think it's pretty even/equal. But you agree with one and not the other.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

There is no illegal search taking place that I'm aware of so that's a straw man.

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Hello again, Steve:

You seem to think a search involves touching.. I maintain that searching for your citizenship is as much a search as looking in your trunk would be.

excon

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Actually no, I think it's pretty even/equal. But you agree with one and not the other.

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How so? The first amendment is pretty clear. Where are we protected from from being asked to show ID at a checkpoint you have to be licensed to drive on.