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Have you asked yourselves why they are "at war" with you? This is another cold war or a continuation of the old one. Did they march into Iraq? They had much more chance of succeeding there. Your arguments reek of paranoiaQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Your argument reeks of blame America 1st... no surprise there .
Now Tom look at history, what america has done to Iran warrants their undying enmity. You interferred with their internal politics, put despots on the peacock throne, incited Iraq to attack them and funded the war. You are the aggressor here, and you are crapping your pants should they get nuclear weapons because they don't understand MAD. I remember a certain byblical prophesy about burning oil fields and I have often wondered what the circumstances would be that would make it happen
You expect everyone should forget, it was just those other guys, not me. It doesn't wash. Your country is nasty war monger Tom, it changed after WWII, getting the bomb turned you into the bully on the block
Your history reminds me of a Sat morning cartoon they'd air here... 'fractured fairey tales' .
The US did absolutely nothing to incite the Iran Iraq war. Their border disputes arounf the Shatt al-Arab went back for ages(at least since the breakup of the Ottomans ). Saddam saw the Iranians as vulnerable because of the revolution and he made his move. It was no different than his aggression against Kuwait. But don't forget that Khomeini was openly advocating a Shia revolution in Iraq too. None of that had anything to do with us.
You think they are simply sitting in their territory minding their own business ? BS ! They have their tentacles in every nation in the ME . It is they that sent their IRGC into Iraq in the last decade to kill US troops . It is they that had the places that created and constructed the IEDs that killed the most US troops . It was Iranians that was indirectly responsible for the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut and the Khobar tower bombing. They or their proxies have been at war with the US since 1979 .
They are a terrorist nation who is on the verge of having nukes. You see bibilical prophesy and they see the return of the Mahdi . So yes ,we cannot assume they will act rationally with that weapon. The world agrees . You are the lone voice that says it's acceptable.
Now do me a favor.. this OP is not about Iran.. Start one of your own if you want to continue,
Leave it to the righties to blame the left for their misery. You guys would rather point out isolated pieces than recognize your own part in things not working better.
Like most Americans wanting the rich to pay more so we can have an infrastructure improvement program that creates jobs, for a lot of people in 50 states. Or taking the poor and middle class to pay for rich guys who got bailed out already by those they now thumb their nose at.
Doesn't look isolated to me . Looks like business as usual from the most transparent adm ever. The Dems spew demagogery about blaming the rich at the same time they've failed to pass a budget out of the Dem controlled Senate for the 3rd straight year. The President commissioned a so called bipartisan commission on the budget ;and then shelved the committee recommendations . Why ? Because they didn't recommend the "soak the rich " one trick pony ?
No republican won't go along with the common sense approach in Bowles/Simpson. Wonder why that is? That's right, it goes against privatizing everything, and shifting cost to old people, poor people, and everyone but the rich.
The right wing idea of fair is everybody but them should profit.
The President should've put it on the table. How do you know what the Republicans would've done ? You don't .
But your comments are more diversions . I don't know why you won't address the culture of corruption in the Obama White House. Well ,yes I do know why... and it isn't because 'all politicians do it '.
Another diversion and red herring.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Not at all . It is the subject of the OP... which I say again... you are free to move on and not address .
Um, the red herring came from Tal in diverting from the subject of this thread. You're still batting .000 as "corrector."Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You're batting .000 concerning posting factually correct information.
I know what the repubs DID, what they have done the last 4 years, they voted against it, and ignored it, and blamed the president for not pushing it, but he has in separate parts, and they were voted down, or filibustered. Show me what he hasn't proposed by Bowles/Simpson!Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Why I haven't addressed the culture of corruption? I have, but you haven't paid attention very well to be honest.
Refresh my memory.. did you say "Bush did it " ?
Corruption in high or low places and this is somehow an important issue as if... this should not happen and yet it does. How can you debate this... the whole nation is awash with sexuality and yet you want to discuss the moral failure of a few
Always only liberals; a blind eye is turned to the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Feel free Mr. Guardian of Truth to point out all - any - of my factually incorrect information.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
That's a flat-out lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
And for 8 years your side was very willing to point out when there was corruption . Don't believe me ? Check out how many times Tom DeLay or Jack Abramoff was discussed on these pages .
I think Tom is referrring to Solydra, not the current Secret Service scandal. Solyndra was the green jobs tauted by the president and everyone else as a viable green jobs facillity, for making solar panels, that went bankrupt, because of Chinese price fixing. This project was one of 200 to receive federal loans, under the Bush administrations Energy department.
Bankrupt Solyndra shells out $368,500 in bonuses Don Surber
White House-Backed Solar Solyndra Company Collapses - ABC News
This company was profitable in 2005-2009, and was operating until 2011. As I said, one of many projects the DOE works with.Quote:
Officials at the Department of Energy told ABC News and iWatch News that it used objective factors in selecting Solyndra, and Wednesday the department released a statement on its website blaming changing economics in the industry -- including a major push by Chinese firms to drive down solar panel prices -- for the company's collapse.
"The changing economics have affected a number of solar manufacturers in recent months, including unfortunately, Solyndra, a once very promising company that has increased its sales revenue by 2,000 percent in three years and sold more than 1,000 installations in 20 countries," the Energy web post states. "As a result, Solyndra now plans to suspend its manufacturing operations and file for bankruptcy protection."
https://lpo.energy.gov/?page_id=45
Dis I sum that up well?
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