Hello again,

War on women?? Nahhh... Libs are making it up... Or not...

Governor Scott Walker quietly signed a law that repealed Wisconsin's Equal Pay Enforcement law. But, women don't care about equality, do they?

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Hello again,

I just had an epiphany. You don't see the war on women like I don't see the war on religion...

Well, I'll fix that. Happy Easter.

excon

Of course the right wants to frame the war on women as religious freedom, but men telling woman what to do with their bodies will never work. Women don't care how you frame it, they know when they are being screwed with and I doubt they stand for it.

You need proof? You think they listen to the pope about contraception? No evidence of that anywhere. So keep pissing the ladies off by not letting them do what they want and you risk losing at the ballot box, and the bedroom. Keep on thinking you can tell them its for the good of the babies, when you try to take their choices from them.

They know what's best for the babies, you don't so listen, or lose the war.

Nonsense. You guys are smart enough to see the simple fact that the birth control mandate is a new, manufactured "right" while the first amendment has explicitly protected freedom of religion for 220 years. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

War on women???? Nahhh... Libs are making it up... Or not...

Governor Scott Walker quietly signed a law that repealed Wisconsin’s Equal Pay Enforcement law. But, women don't care about equality, do they?

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

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I saw nothing about a war on women in that bill. Equal Pay is already covered under federal statute so SB 2020 was unnecessary.

The real war on women is the Democrat war on families;driving up prices of food and fuel . But I can understand the Republican predicament... It's hard to run against the party that promises 'free 'stuff.

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The real war on women is the Democrat war on families;driving up prices of food and fuel .

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Hello tom:

One minute you tell us that speculators have NO influence on the market, and can't move it an inch, and NOW you're telling us the Democrats CAN??

So, if they can MOVE prices, why do you think they'd move them UP? Seems to me they'd make them as close to "free" as possible. No?

excon

Also have to wonder if the President is having women problems . Recent announcements that Evita and Oprah will not be joining him on the campaign trail... and Babs won't sing at his fund raisers. Something's up there .

Ex it's the policies ;not the speculations that are flawed.

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Something's up there .

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Hello again, tom:

So, you haven't noticed that this far left wing loon is to the right of center?? Babs did. Me too. Oprah?? She's got a network to save.

excon

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Nonsense. You guys are smart enough to see the simple fact that the birth control mandate is a new, manufactured "right"

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Hello again, Steve:

No, I do not. That's why I argued that a women's right to health care has ALWAYS been equal to that of men, and that the president's "mandate" was legally unnecessary... Then the discussion devolved into what a church is...

You won't find a stronger defender of civil liberties on this board, AND of a church's RIGHT to BE tax exempt.. But, a church CANNOT claim a religious exemption when it's dealing with EMPLOYEES. It MUST tax the employees. It MUST PAY its share of the employee's unemployment taxes, EVEN IF it is exempt from OTHER taxes... In short, the workplace in a CHURCH is no different than the workplace in a lumber yard.

Now, nobody is REQUIRING the Catholic church to provide health insurance for its employees... But IF it's going to provide it, it CAN'T discriminate.

I see nothing WEIRD, NEW, ANTI RELIGIOUS, or ILLEGAL in my conclusions.

excon

I know you don't, and I don't see a right to healthcare for men or women in the constitution. And the reason it "devolved into what a church is" is because the mandate redefines what qualifies as religious in contradiction of centuries of historical and legal precedent.

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I don't see a right to healthcare for men or women in the constitution.

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Hello again, Steve:

".. that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Let's just take the first one...

excon

That isn't in the constitution, and it doesn't guarantee quality of life. Next?

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That isn't in the constitution, and it doesn't guarantee quality of life. Next?

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Hello Steve:

Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

I was just laying the foundation above. Clearly, the reason WHY we revolted DOES have something to do with our founding documents... They certainly thought SOMETHING about life or it wouldn't have been mentioned..

But, if you want to find the RIGHT to healthcare, it's there in the Ninth Amendment.. You know, the catchall amendment... Some of the authors of the Constitution didn't want to enumerate the rights the people have for fear that people like you would say, "well, it's NOT listed, so it's NOT a right". That's EXACTLY why they wrote the wonderful Ninth Amendment - to make sure that OTHER rights retained by the people STAY retained..

excon

Oh, you mean like the right to be free from forced commerce by the federal government and forced violation of my first amendment freedom of religion.

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... my first amendment freedom of religion.

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You are still free to pursue any religion of your choice, nothing has changed there.

I beg your pardon, I have proven conclusively in no uncertain terms that the Obamacare mandate redefines what qualifies as religious. And by the way, "pursuing" religion is not the same as the "free exercise" of religion which is what this mandate changes. Things that have been religious activities for centuries no longer qualify as a religious activity under the mandate AND Catholics are no longer free FROM forced violation of their religious beliefs. It changes everything.

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I have proven conclusively in no uncertain terms that the Obamacare mandate redefines what qualifies as religious.

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For businesses that operate under the guise of religion.

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For businesses that operate under the guise of religion.

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It is the federal government that keeps intruding on the church, not the church intruding into the business sector. The church was doing health care and education long before the United States existed.