Tal what Ex is referring to is the Obaama Adm's secret emails where they struck a deal with the so called "BIG PHARMA " to concede on the issue that the President campaigned on... buying cheap imported drugs under Obamacare. Since sell out is a hallmark of national socialists(and international socialists for that matter ) I'm surprised anyone would be surprised.

Tom the issues here are to tax or not to tax, anything else is small cheese

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tal what Ex is referring to is the Obaama Adm's secret emails where they struck a deal with the so called "BIG PHARMA " to concede on the issue that the President campaigned on ...... buying cheap imported drugs under Obamacare. Since sell out is a hallmark of national socialists(and international socialists for that matter ) I'm suprised anyone would be suprised.

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I think he was referring to how you guys wouldn't consider single payer, because it was socialism. You guys have issues, you see socialism every where.

Look under your own bed.

I only see socialism where there is one.. . as in a President who strong arms insurance companies to go along with his plan or sets up a system that will force the rest to go out of business... or practices state socialism with the combination of threat and reward to the pharmaceutical companies .The reward being renaging on a campaign promise to allow cheaper imported drugs as an option

Then uses mandates to get the rest of us on board. The combination of which effectively takes over a huge section of the economy...

And mind you... this is but a preliminary step towards utopia... that single payer system you desire. What he didn't anticipate (or maybe he did) was the impending striking down of the law as completely unconstitutional .

And what leaverage did he have to strong arm and impose his will on these corporations??

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I only see socialism where there is one .. ...as in a President who strong arms insurance companies to go along with his plan or sets up a system that will force the rest to go out of business ...or practices state socialism with the combination of threat and reward to the pharmaceutical companies .The reward being renaging on a campaign promise to allow cheaper imported drugs as an option

Then uses mandates to get the rest of us on board. The combination of which effectively takes over a huge section of the economy ....

and mind you ...this is but a preliminary step towards utopia ...that single payer system you desire. What he didn't anticipate (or maybe he did) was the impending striking down of the law as completely unconstitutional .

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You still haven't let go of the fact your side lost, a single payer system isn't utopia but it can be fairer with only one criteria for eligability, you can still have your doctor, but you can also have a private insurer if you want

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I only see socialism where there is one .. ...as in a President who strong arms insurance companies to go along with his plan or sets up a system that will force the rest to go out of business ...or practices state socialism with the combination of threat and reward to the pharmaceutical companies .The reward being renaging on a campaign promise to allow cheaper imported drugs as an option

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And this is some how different to corporate oligarchies? You know, the ability of corporations with sufficient market power to influence the price, output and investment. The same ability to exercise a monopoly of power thus limiting the ability of new competition to enter the industry.

Sounds exactly the same system to me.

Tut

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And this is some how different to corporate oligarchies? You know, the ability of corporations with sufficient market power to influence the price, output and investment. The same ability to exercise a monopoly of power thus limiting the ability of new competition to enter the industry.

Sounds exactly the same system to me.

Tut

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Such as?

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And this is some how different to corporate oligarchies? You know, the ability of corporations with sufficient market power to influence the price, output and investment. The same ability to exercise a monopoly of power thus limiting the ability of new competition to enter the industry.

Sounds exactly the same system to me.

Tut

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The government has the power of force behind what it does.

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Oil
Energy
Drugs
Insurance
Banks
Farming
Investment Banking/ who has a candidate for president.
Manufacturing
Retail
Hi Tech

To name a few big ones.

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The government has the power of force behind what it does.

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The government is bought paid for, an dictated to. Because they have the money. Going price for the presidency, ONE billion dollars, and that's for republicans, an doesn't count Romney. He has his own loot.

Socialism cannot exist in a free market society. Hell, it barely is 10 percent of China!!

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Oil
Energy
Drugs
Insurance
Banks
Farming
Investment Banking/ who has a candidate for president.
Manufacturing
Retail
Hi Tech

To name a few big ones.

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So stop driving, go holistic, drop your insurance, bury your money in a can, grow your own food, make your own stuff and ditch the computers and cell phones.

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The government is bought paid for, an dictated to.

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So you believe. The logical solution to that is term limits .

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Based on the claim that the President said he'd raise. When he decided in 2008 to ditch public funding in favor of his own fund raising ,he showed how serious the Dems are about this whole issue of money in politics . I'm frankly bored with that argument . This year the Dems say don't trust the Massachusetts rich guy. In 2004 ? Not so much .

I guess you fell for the marketing and made rich guys job creators. No truth in that, and as a free market guy you should KNOW better. You shouldn't trust the rich guy from Mass. Either, unless you have off shore interest and swiss accounts worth a few hundred million, and he is unemployed.

Hey maybe you are loaded Tom, but you will never share a ceegar and brandy with the Mitt. Hell between Trump and Romney, you will need food stamps to supplement your minimum wage job. Unless your DADDY was a rich guy and you have a silver spoon or a golden parachute. Which one of these things were you blessed with?

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So stop driving, go holistic, drop your insurance, bury your money in a can, grow your own food, make your own stuff and ditch the computers and cell phones.

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You forgot about the water, and you pry the computer and cell phone from my dead cold fingers!!

With the heat index 108, I will pay for the air to run, and the water to flow... COLD. How deep should I bury the empty can??

And you'll never have Pâté de Foie Gras and arugula with Barack and the The Devil Wears Prada lady. What's your point?

Speaking of the Massachusetts rich guy, the left seems to be compensating for the huge bummer Obama turned out to be by going all in for Fauxcahontas.

Exit question, were some Democrats disenfranchised because they couldn't get into the convention to vote for Marisa DeFranco without a valid photo ID?

I wouldn't hob nob with those stiffs if I had the chance;and I don't practice 'class envy' either .The only use they are to me is the jobs they create ;and their philanthropy.

I don't envy the wealthy either, but they are far from the job creators that you paint them to be, and the motives behind their philantropy is suspect, and a great way to shelter wealth, and pick winners, and losers.

Philanthropy and the estate tax - CSMonitor.com

Tax Shelters and Charity

Tax Charities And Tax Shelters: Old Wine In New Bottles?

So if a guy gives millions to help others for a tax break he should stop giving? Oh wait, you think the Fed could better distribute those millions to the needy. Bwa ha ha ha!!

Yeah there is always nefarious reasons behind good works . That's why the libs think the government should be the sole source of charity. Or is it only the rich that have bad intent when they support causes like...
Celebrity Fight Night Foundation,Children with AIDS,David Foster Foundation,DoSomething.org,Friends of Scotland,Jimmy Fund,Make A Child Smile Appeal,Make-A-Wish Foundation,Mississippi Animal Rescue League,Muhammad Ali Parkinson Center,Neurofibromatosis, Inc. Operation Smile,Paralyzed Veterans of America,Pediatric Epilepsy Project,Raising MalawiReef Relief,Smile Train,St. Francis Food Pantries and Shelters,The Doe Fund,UNICEF,Wounded Warrior Project (all Trump supported organizations )