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Originally Posted by tomder55

Hmm doing violence to a civilian population to achieve a political goal .... the very definition of terrorism.

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Hello again, tom:

Watch the video. See the cop who throws a flash bang grenade into the group of protesters??

What is his purpose OTHER than to TERRORIZE that group of AMERICANS?? Are they doing something wrong? Watch it twice if you have to. To me, what that slimy cop is doing is the very definition of TERRORISM. But, that's just me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

They decapitalized my e.

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LOL, chalk one up for the little guy.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Watch the video. See the cop who throws a flash bang grenade into the group of protesters??

What is his purpose OTHER than to TERRORIZE that group of AMERICANS?? Are they doing something wrong? Watch it twice if you have to. To me, what that slimy cop is doing is the very definition of TERRORISM. But, that's just me.

Oakland Policeman Throws Flash Grenade Into Crowd Trying To Help Injured Protester - YouTube

Excon

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Um ;would that be before or after the peaceful protesters
Broke

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into and occupied a downtown building and set several simultaneous fires," the statement read. "The protesters began hurling rocks, explosives, bottles, and flaming objects at responding officers. Several private and municipal buildings sustained heavy vandalism. Dozens of protesters wielding shields were surrounded and arrested."

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Peaceful Occupy protest degenerates into chaos - US news - Life - msnbc.com

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I know, just like all the tea party supporters:
Tea Party Getting Violent? 10 House Dems Report Threats, Vandalism - Crimesider - CBS News
or tea baggers bringing weapons to protests.

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Yeah, just like the Tea Party.

Hello Steve:

If you (and all the REST of the right wingers) would just stop watching FOX news, you'd see that there are more similarities between the groups than there are differences.

But, the right wing is soooo hung up on these ______ (insert insult), that they'll NEVER see the connection... That doesn't bode well for our country.

excon

I haven't posted anything from Fox News and if you want to talk insert insult here _______ just listen to Obama administration officials.

So here's your chance, list the similarities.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

If you (and all the REST of the right wingers) would just stop watching FOX news, you'd see that there are more similarities between the groups than there are differences.

But, the right wing is soooo hung up on these ______ (insert insult), that they'll NEVER see the connection... That doesn't bode well for our country.

excon

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The big difference is that the OWS wants more government command and control. We see that as the big problem.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the big difference is that the OWS wants more government command and control. We see that as the big problem.

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How else will things get done? Will WS voluntarily help and contribute?

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Originally Posted by tomder55

the big difference is that the OWS wants more goverment command and control. We see that as the big problem.

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Hello tom:

If one sees the financial collapse as a direct result of de-regulation, then regulation is what's wanted and needed... I don't see how you could possibly see it any other way. But, you do.

Since that's so, there won't BE any compromise and it makes who wins all that much more important... Look. There's no question, that if the wingers win, they will DISMANTLE the progress made over the last century. If progressives win, and if they have BALLS, we can rein in the banks... No, we can break them up so they're no longer too big to fail...

excon

Oh yes indeed I do. I see it as government trying to do good by turning people who couldn't afford it into home owners ,and FORCING the lending institutions to give mortgages to people who historically did not qualify .

You want to know what really happened read
“Reckless Endangerment,” by Gretchen Morgenson, a New York Slimes columnist, and Joshua Rosner, a housing finance expert.

These OWS people ought to be demanding to know why clowns like James Johnson ,Andrew Cuomo, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank among others aren't wearing horizontal stripes .

Hello again, tom:

It just isn't true... Barney Frank wrote a letter to BofA asking them rescind their $5 fee for using a debit card.. The bank said screw you, Barney Frank.. So, I'm having trouble seeing how he FORCED them to lend BILLIONS to unqualified people causing the banks to go under... I'm just having a hard time with that..

Plus, I recall you saying the Community Reinvestment Act was the FIRST of many such programs that FORCED the banks to do what NO bank in their right mind would do, unless government held a gun to their heads...

The law is an anti redlining law. It doesn't FORCE the banks to lend to people who aren't credit worthy. It just says that banks can't discriminate, which is what they WERE doing.

The truth of the matter is, the banks didn't care if the mortgages were any good, because they could just repackage them and sell those piles of trash to the world. And, that's exactly what they did. They must be prevented from doing it again.

excon

Simple solution for anyone who is truly free market as you claim to be. Remove FDIC insurance for any institution that combines traditional banking with investing . If B of A wants to combine those services then it's buyer beware.
But I'm more than willing to bet that such a change would create separate intuitions that are less likely to be "too big to fail" .

BTW ;the puny debit card fee that they were going to charge was an attempt to recoup losses that would've happened by the Durbin provisions of Frank Dodd legislation .

That whole thing went viral and BofA withdrew it and will make up the loss in a more opaque way. Good Job!!
Meanwhile the President and his bureaucracy is poised to tack on hundreds of dollars in extra fees for air travel and we don't hear a peep about it.
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...ing/50573866/1

Yeah that should help create more jobs!!

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Originally Posted by tomder55

BTW ;the puny debit card fee that they were going to charge was an attempt to recoup losses that would've happened by the Durbin provisions of Frank Dodd legislation .

That whole thing went viral and BofA withdrew it and will make up the loss in a more opaque way. Good Job!!!

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$5 per month for all users of a debit card is puny to you but to millions it wasn't. In fact they voted with their wallets, closing BoA accounts and moving to Credit Unions, This is free enterprise in action!
Some banks even tried to deny people the opportunity to close their bank accounts.
If those same banks can't stay in business without higher swipe fees then they should be allowed to fail, right?

Absolutely ;clearly I was opposed to TARP and any bail out of what is mistakenly called "too big to fail" . Nations default but banks and auto companies aren't allowed to ? Ridiculous .

I applaud the people who changed banks . That is the American way... as opposed to the goons who have gone into banks to terrorize the tellers . I only tell you that the other banks are making similar provisions that are under the radar to recoup the difference .
My other point is clear .
BofA would not have tried that except for silly provisions introduced by Sen Durbin in a last minute amendment to Dodd Frank that is clearly bad lagislative over-reach ,and a perfect example of the unintended consequences of over -regulation.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...JTR79g8s8go06H

Developer with shotgun scared off Oakland rioters

My kind of guy. Really people, you no longer have the public's support, you're fighting amongst yourselves, people are getting sexually and physically assaulted, riots breaking out... go home.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

My kinda guy. Really people, you no longer have the public's support,

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Hello again, Steve:

Is Assad your kind of guy too? I'll bet not, because I think you ARE a freedom loving guy. But, I'm perplexed about why you think shooting protesters in ONE country is cool, but in another, you don't. And, what REALLY perplexes me is, the people who you think it's OK to shoot, are AMERICANS! But, I'm ALWAYS perplexed by you guys.

excon

And I thought you were one of those guys who think it's cool for someone to protect themselves and their property.

Hello again, tom:

Well, I've been gone for a while.

excon

OK... One businessman who is not a 1% decided to defend his business... another one , Men's Wearhouse ,shut down early and left signs pleading with the protesters not to trash their business. I doubt if the ownership of Men's Wearhouse is part of those 1%ers.



How about state sponsored rioting ? Oakland Mayor Jean Quan ;herself a former radical activist , gave city employees the day off to join the protests at the same time that she lined up the police force against the protest. This after she begged Washington for more Fed funds for the port.

The rioters prevented truckers from doing their jobs by setting bonfires in the streets by the port. Were those truckers part of the 1% ? No .
For at least one shift ,thousands of workers at the port were prevented from doing their jobs.

I thought this was about jobs . Why are the protesters destroying places like Whole Foods that actually hire people ?

The truth is that this is not about jobs in the private sector . This is about public union jobs... and extension of Wisconsin.

I have heard more than one protester and pundit say that the movement needs a "Kent State moment"... and it appears that they are pushing the movement to that end.
The Bay Area has some history of this... it was called 'Bloody Thursday'.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

I thought this was about jobs ..

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Hello again, tom:

Nahhh... That's the problem. Somebody, probably FOX news or where ever you get your news these days has NO clue WHAT the protesters want... Hell, the protesters themselves don't know what they want...

What they KNOW is that they've been screwed over big time and they're pissed off. I don't blame 'em. In fact, I'm ONE of 'em, and I HAVE a job. Certainly, misunderstanding the nature of the revolt, you'd naturally think that the owners of Mens Warehouse wouldn't be in sympathy with the demonstrators... It's a natural reaction when your knee jerks.

excon

PS> It's a good thing I ended my hiatus. You guys NEED me to tell you what's up.