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Originally Posted by smoothy

We spent Billions there...there were boots on the ground......even if covertly. They can see far more than an eye in the sky can in many ways.

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Are you sure we are talking about the same place? Libya? You spent billions? Doing what? I understand cruise missiles are expensive, already part of an ordinance stockpile that has to get used sooner or later, so money already spent, but billions flying drones and standing off the coast. BO said he would not put boots on the ground, he left that to others

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BO said he would not put boots on the ground, he left that to others

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And you believe that ?

Bottom line... air power can only go so far..

This is comical . The Obots for years said that Bush dropped the ball at Tora Bora because he only allowed for American air support while the locals took it to AQ on the ground .

Now they are touting air power as the future.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Are you sure we are talking about the same place? Libya? You spent billions? doing what? I understand cruise missiles are expensive, already part of an ordinance stockpile that has to get used sooner or later, so money already spent, but billions flying drones and standing off the coast. BO said he would not put boots on the ground, he left that to others

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No, we are talking the right place... we spent BILLIONS.

Maybe they promissed to buy a few million copies of his books in exchange for wasting billions of taxdollars there.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

No, we are talking the right place.....we spent BILLIONS.

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smoothy, ole pal, you have too many zero's. This article places the cost at $60 MILLION a month, eight months = $480 MILLION so let'us call it an even half a billion
US Costs for Libya Soaring, Report Finds | USA | English

You see, the rhetoric used in that rarefied place you live just doesn't wash

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Originally Posted by paraclete

smoothy, ole pal, you have too many zero's. This article places the cost at $60 MILLION a month, eight months = $480 MILLION so let'us call it an even half a billion
US Costs for Libya Soaring, Report Finds | USA | English

You see, the rhetoric used in that rarefied place you live just doesn't wash

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Check the date on that... the current costs are way over a billion. And that's assuming that's not under-reported like Obamacare and every other thing Obama has his hands in. Honesty is not something this administration is capable of.

It was well over a billion REPORTED months ago. And I forget which source I got that from because I didn't link it...

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Check the date on that......the current costs are way over a billion. And that's assuming that's not under-reported like Obamacare and every other thing Obama has his hands in. Honesty is not something this administration is capable of.

It was well over a billion REPORTED months ago. And I forget which source I got that from because I didn't link it...

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Yes the date is a couple of months back but I attributed the then cost to the whole of the period. Look who knows what wacky accounting goes into to tallying the cost in the military and in any case even if it is over ONE billion, it isn't BILLIONS, unless they used a lot of those ten thousand dollar hammers or had the catering done by Haliburton.. If you were worried about the cost of freedom you should have got Daffy to fire the first shot then you could have claimed reparations

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Yes the date is a couple of months back but I attributed the then cost to the whole of the period. Look who knows what wacky accounting goes into to tallying the cost in the military and in any case even if it is over ONE billion, it isn't BILLIONS, unless they used a lot of those ten thousand dollar hammers or had the catering done by Haliburton.. If you were worried about the cost of freedom you should have got Daffy to fire the first shot then you could have claimed reparations

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The Government notoriously seriously UNDERESTIMATES things like this... particularly this one. I won't be surprised when it comes out it cost 10 times as much as they claimed.

Personally, I don't think we should have gotten involved at all there... We know the Brits and the French are after the Oil Contracts... but we aren't going to get anything out of it for all the expense.

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... but we aren't going to get anything out of it for all the expense.

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They participated in NATO action in Afghanistan . Maybe the question should be ;what relevance is NATO post cold war ?

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They participated in NATO action in Afghanistan . Maybe the question should be ;what relevence is NATO post cold war ?

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Well, we Know Italy has a vested interest in Libya... they get nearly all of their natural gas from there.

Incedently... what threat did Daffy pose to NATO or any of its members that would have justified our actions there by Royal Degcree from King Barry rather than Congressional approval.

I agree that even the very basics of the'war power act ' was not met or even attempted to be met. Congress sat on their hands and let it happen.. why ?

I don't know what threat Daffy posed on the NATO nations . Perhaps it was the same threat that compelled GHW Bush to build a coalition to protect the Saudi's from Iraqi invasion.
Perhaps it was the same rationale that had NATO conduct war against Serbia to end their ethnic cleansing. The President invoked the principle of 'resonsibility to act' at the beginning of the engagement when the goal was to protect protesters against Daffy's killing them . He never expanded his justification when the goal changed to regime change.

Don't get me wrong... I have no lost love for the guy... but he was still better than the Sharia loving Islamic freaks that look posed to take over.

More of a he was the lesser of many possible evils.

So you would rather be ruled by a despotic murderer than an islamist cleric? Is it the Laws you don't like or the people?

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So you would rather be ruled by a despotic murderer than an islamist cleric? Is it the Laws you don't like or the people?

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I'd honestly rather have the despot , than the murdering lunatic Clerics. You'd actually have more freedom. I would take up arms against ANYONE that tried to impose Sharia Law on me. And I'm talking loaded weapons and not just protests.

Seems protests have their place, Libya is to investigate daffy's death. How do you define the difference between one murderer and another?by their religious views apparently

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seems protests have their place, Libya is to investigate daffy's death. How do you define the difference between one murderer and another?by their religious views apparently

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Good place to start. When Islam is involved... it IS their political view too.

Really I don't think they are a problem for us, more a problem for their own people thus the vast number of refugees from Islamic countries

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really I don't think they are a problem for us, more a problem for their own people thus the vast number of refugees from Islamic countries

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Don't underestimate their desire to opress anywhere they go.. anyplace they congregrate in large enough numbers they stry to impose Sharia law. They have certainly been trying to here in places as unconstitutional as most of it actually is.

Look they are a simple people with no experience of democracy, a couple of generations and it will not be important to them

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look they are a simple people with no experience of democracy, a couple of generations and it will not be important to them

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It's the simple minded people that are the most dangerous...

Yes George Bush was a good example, the oppressers are not confined to the islamists