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Originally Posted by tomder55

I've tasted some of the swill . They love trying to sell us wines with Kangaroo labels .

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As per Wine Spectator, Australia has the #2 and #7 wines of the year worldwide with many more in the top 100. But I'm sure you know more than Wine Spectator.

The sale of Aussie wines continues to decline here . I know they are making it up with sales to China. Let the Chinese enjoy those fine wines. They can have them.

That's likely because California wines have reached very good levels of quality and are marketed heavily.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

The sale of Aussie wines continues to decline here . I know they are making it up with sales to China. Let the Chinese enjoy those fine wines. They can have them.

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Hard luck Tom you are missing out on quality and cheap prices but the chinese market is bigger than yours so who cares, at least we don't have to put up with US wines here, even the froggies are underselling our wines here

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That's likely because California wines have reached very good levels of quality and are marketed heavily.

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Might be but we save our special wines for you guys, I expect you have found a product called yellowtail, very inferior. But In these trying times you should support the local product

Steve Moore (a Cain advisor;one of the people who helped Cain design the 9-9-9 plan; and Economic Editor at the Wall Street Journal ) says that even though he favors a national sales tax ;that he will advise Cain to remove it from the plan because it is clear that a national sales tax is not politically viable.

Cain also looked bad in flipping about a theoretical swap of terrorist for a captured US soldier similar to the deal Israel made for the release of Gilad Shalit . The "what would you do if...." question was given to Cain during a morning interview . He indicated under that scenario he would allow for the release of multiple jihadists at GITMO in exchange for a captured US serviceperson.

After the debate (after someone told him how dangerous that admission would be) ;he flipped and said he misspoke during the morning interview.

Over all he had a very bad day.

Yellow tail... yeah that's the one I had with the kangaroo label. Yuck

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yellow tail.....yeah that's the one I had with the kangaroo label. yuck

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Yes made by a german immigrant with a big ego

It will never compete with Wild Irish Rose!!

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Might be but we save our special wines for you guys, I expect you have found a product called yellowtail, very inferior. but In these trying times you should support the local product

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Yellowtail is indeed old hat. I love wine. I'm not american BTW. I try wines from all over, I'm not partial to geographic preferences.

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Yellowtail is indeed old hat. I love wine. I'm not american BTW. I try wines from all over, I'm not partial to geographic preferences.

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Hi NK while I agree with you in many ways there are wines from certain places that are preferred. Wolf Blass did some terrible things to Australian wine in his early days.The Mudgee region in Australia does particularly well with Shiraz and Chardonnay and the Barossa Valley in South Australia is excellent also particularly with Tramminer. You might like to try some Clare Reisling but I'm not a fan as it causes a very dry palate. The Kiwi's have gone mad with Sauvignon Blanc it seems to be forcing many other whites out. Unfortunately the breaking of the drought has meant the quality is down in the last two vintages. We are awash with the stuff down here so anything you can do to relieve the pressure

Hehe, will do. Barossa has been on my list.

Everyone needs to pay the same percentage of their income. Without deductions.

Can't get more fair than that.

The left should love it... the Rich still have to pay more than the poor.

The math says its not fair. 9% of a poor mans wages is not the same as a millionaires 9%, poor people have even less at 9% than they have now and a rich guy essentially gets an even bigger part of the pie than he had before. How is rewarding a so called job creator for not creating jobs a solution for unemployment?

Its not. The numbers are equal, but the impact, and piratical applications is not. You would create 30 million jobs tomorrow if you raised taxes to 70% for the rich, because then they would have to actually create jobs to make money, but of course its okay for a rich guy to be lazy and not do his job, and play on Wall Street, but ordinary people actually have to get up and do real work for a living.

What a double standard, and I would love to see a rich guy, cut his own grass, or change his kids diapers, or even fix lunch for his own kids. But then that's the whole purpose of the slave class, is so the rich guy can be fat, and lazy, and raise kids to tell poor kids to go die in a foreign land, so he can keep making even more money from some body else's land and resources.

No wonder the right is so big on sucking the money from the economy, because they think that corporations should tell us what to do instead of we the people taking this country back through our government.

The revolution will be televised, check your local stations.

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The math says its not fair.

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Math can quantify 'fairness' ?
States and local governments collect sales taxes at a fixed rate and I hear no one complaining about the fairness. The rich buy more ergo they pay more in sales taxes .

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You would create 30 million jobs tomorrow if you raised taxes to 70% for the rich,

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Like the gimmic the Dems tried to pull yesterday with a meaningless tax increase that would've cost the rich an extra $500 /year ? That's the tax that is going to create all those jobs ? The Dems don't even believe their rhetoric.

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but of course its okay for a rich guy to be lazy and not do his job, and play on Wall Street, but ordinary people actually have to get up and do real work for a living.

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Would love for you to go on the exchange floor and tell the workers their that they don't get up early and put in a hard day doing real work.

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math can quantify 'fairness' ?
States and local governments collect sales taxes at a fixed rate and I hear no one complaining about the fairness. The rich buy more ergo they pay more in sales taxes .

The math is a credible predicter of cause, effects, results, and outcomes, theoretical, but it lays out a plan, thats how we got to the moon. No the rich don't buy more, they buy more lavishly, and thats a small part of the population, and doesn't mean a thing with the cost of beans, or a loaf of bread. Last time I looked, there were just ordinary people at the grocery store and we all had coupons because the price of bread is a bigger chunk of the budget than say Steve Forbes, or Mitt Romney. Wonder if those guys ever stepped into a Walmart?

Like the gimmic the Dems tried to pull yesterday with a meaningless tax increase that would've cost the rich an extra $500 /year ? That's the tax that is going to create all those jobs ? The Dems don't even believe their rhetoric.
Do the math!!!!!!

Would love for you to go on the exchange floor and tell the workers their that they don't get up early and put in a hard day doing real work.When is the last time they built a bridge? Swept a street? Swung a hammer? When was the last time Wall Street did anything for the Nation, Oh thats right, when they tanked the economy! But I might get up early and join the protestors outside of wall street, and tell those guys on the exchange floor to get a real job, and stop screwing up mine.

Or to tell them THEY ARE FIRED!

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Need help with the math??

The poor buy less, so they pay less... the same percentage for everyone is what's fair.

Dreaming up excuses to give certain groups prefferential treatment is exactly the same as political contributions for access.

Someone is getting over on someone else.

If its NOT equal for everyone, then there is no equality, period.

9% of a poor mans pay is exactly the same as 9% of a rich mans pay... they are both 9%.

I don't care what they buy... They buy more and spend more . If they buy lavishly so what ? Ask John Kerry . When he purchased his yacht someone built it . Oh wait... that's right... it was built in New Zealand .
When he docks it his state gets the docking fee... Oh wait... he docks it in Rhode Island because he's a tax dodger .

If you want to exempt certain foods I wouldn't object. A consumption tax is a much better idea than an income tax . Where Cain has it wrong is having both . It was only when progressives couldn't figure out a way to pay for government expansion did the Marxist concept of a "progressive" income tax come into play. After elimination of private property ,the progressive income tax was the 2nd of his 10 planks .

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Oh wait...that's right .... it was built in New Zealand .

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There are no american yacht builders so that settles that strawman rant.

Thanks guys, for presenting a clearer picture. No wonder we have a conflict, you guys can't count, so may I suggest getting a 5th grader to do the math for you?
Fact,
9% 0f 50k < 9% 9f 50x 10 to the 6th power.

but according to YOUR math,

9% 0f 50k = 9% of 50x 10 to the 6th power. Which it does NOT!!

LOGIC,
Break it down to you, does the Walmart depend on rich people, or middle America to survive?

Could Walmart even survive without 20 cents a month laborers from a foreign sweat shop?

Could YOU survive paying Neuiman Marcus prices for your kids back to school clothes?

Can they nation survive if the roads and bridges were condemned, or the bridges fell down, or the fires be put out, or the crops not picked, or no teachers in the class, no grocery stores?

Where would you go to buy food for your family?
A=backyard
B=grocery store
C=wall street

No where on this test, is there a question about left, right, D's or R's, just straight logic to see if you can count, and relate to the numbers.