A big FACT you and the right keep overlooking is that every dollar of tax relief, or food stamps to middle class and poor people returns a dollar and 15 cents. Why because they spend it, and pay sales taxes. What you thought those were RICH people in Walmart, Targets, and Kroger's?

Conversely Steve, a tax cut for a hedge fund manager, goes to Wall Street, or overseas, to make more money. They don't have a payroll tax, just lawyers, and accountants directing money into tax shelters, and off country banks never to be seen by America again. They don't pay for the roads, or rails, your tax dollars do, or the police, and fire you depend on, and they use also, because they pay almost no tax on what they use to make money with.

Ever wonder why states sell roads to foreign companies and no American company will invest in them? There ain't enough money in it, or you can bet, rich Americans would be all over it.

But the do pay money for long term treasury bonds. I just ask you look deeper into the cause and effects and actions that are being taken to undermine an effort to CIRCULATE the wealth, and though you are doing what you can with YOUR mop, some people will RESIST getting a mop for themselves, let alone using it, to clean up there own mess they made.

Heck Steve, they don't want you to clean it up either.

INVESTIGATE.

HINT- Why would the congress not want to give the middle class an extension on tax cuts? Why are they against giving small businesses a tax credit, or provide for low interest loans from community banks??

Why??

Need another hint?

Okay, most small businesses are lawyers, doctors, consultants and other LLC's that don't create jobs. They pay no payroll taxes either. Do the math. Draw your own conclusions, and figure out which side of this class war you are on.

On another note, have you heard the joke, Corporations are people too?

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Hello again, Steve:

They're poor enough to earn LESS than is required to pay federal income tax

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Again, they aren't poor and that's my point. Just ask ol' Warren Buffett, he's probably in that half that pay no taxes. If I had a couple of kids and a decent accountant I could probably get by with paying no federal income tax and I'm not poor.

I have no problem with those who actually live in poverty paying no federal income tax. I have no problem with those who are actually in need receiving government benefits. I'll go to the store myself and buy groceries for someone who is hungry.

It is NOT an issue of taking care of the needy because Americans are a GENEROUS people, ESPECIALLY evangelical conservatives who comprise a very significant portion of the people you are demonizing as having started a class war. I just happen to also believe that those who CAN take care of themselves should do everything they can to do just that, and believe it or not there are a lot of people who work the system for a living.

It doesn't make me cold hearted to be cautious about who gets a handout because I will help. BUT, if someone is scamming me they are taking from me what I could use on someone who really needs the help. Well my friend, this nation needs to stop coddling deadbeats. I don't care how much money the Kochs have, there is no fairness in demanding they support deadbeats and there is no dignity in keeping people dependent on government.

If my values offend you so be it, but I believe it's perfectly fine to be generous to the needy while expecting the rest to do everything in their power to take care of themselves so MY resources can be used where they are actually needed. Now multiply that to the federal level because as Maggie said, eventually we're going to run out of other people's money and I'd rather feed a starving child than buy some deadbeat another TV.

In Peru where Sizari lives, the median household income is $2600. At times they experience a 50% unemployment rate and more than half have no access to health care. The poor in Peru don't often have adequate sanitation or safe water to drink.

According to this site over 80% of the world lives on less than $10.00 a day. Additionally:

• Some 1.1 billion people in developing countries have inadequate access to water, and 2.6 billion lack basic sanitation.
  
  Almost two in three people lacking access to clean water survive on less than $2 a day, with one in three living on less than $1 a day.
  
  More than 660 million people without sanitation live on less than $2 a day, and more than 385 million on less than $1 a day.

Now that's POOR.

So, back to your premise that Republicans just want POOR Americans to pay more in taxes. If they're POOR then no. If they're BLESSED to have food, water, A/C, a cell phone, 3 TVs and a jacuzzi, you're damn right I want them to pay SOMETHING in federal taxes.

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A big FACT you and the right keep overlooking is that every dollar of tax relief, or food stamps to middle class and poor people returns a dollar and 15 cents. Why because they spend it, and pay sales taxes. What you thought those were RICH people in Walmart, Targets, and Kroger's?

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Here it would be $1.08. So when do we run out of other people's money by giving it to a "poor" person so the dollar store can sell a bag of donuts and the government can get 8 cents of their dollar back?

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Conversely Steve, a tax cut for a hedge fund manager, goes to Wall Street, or overseas, to make more money. They don't have a payroll tax, just lawyers, and accountants directing money into tax shelters, and off country banks never to be seen by America again. They don't pay for the roads, or rails, your tax dollars do, or the police, and fire you depend on, and they use also, because they pay almost no tax on what they use to make money with.

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I have not asked for a tax cut for some hedge fund manager, I think Soros should pay federal taxes until it hurts.

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Ever wonder why states sell roads to foreign companies and no American company will invest in them?

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No, I have never wondered that. As far as I know all but the private roads in my area are owned by the city, county, state or the feds.

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some people will RESIST getting a mop for themselves,

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And some will suck us dry while the truly needy go without.

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And some will suck us dry while the truly needy go without.

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We agree.

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A big FACT you and the right keep overlooking is that every dollar of tax relief, or food stamps to middle class and poor people returns a dollar and 15 cents. Why because they spend it, and pay sales taxes. What you thought those were RICH people in Walmart, Targets, and Kroger's??

Conversely Steve, a tax cut for a hedge fund manager, goes to Wall Street, or overseas, to make more money. They don't have a payroll tax, just lawyers, and accountants directing money into tax shelters, and off country banks never to be seen by America again. They don't pay for the roads, or rails, your tax dollars do, or the police, and fire you depend on, and they use also, because they pay almost no tax on what they use to make money with.

Ever wonder why states sell roads to foreign companies and no American company will invest in them? There ain't enough money in it, or you can bet, rich Americans would be all over it.

But the do pay money for long term treasury bonds. I just ask you look deeper into the cause and effects and actions that are being taken to undermine an effort to CIRCULATE the wealth, and though you are doing what you can with YOUR mop, some people will RESIST getting a mop for themselves, let alone using it, to clean up there own mess they made.

Heck Steve, they don't want you to clean it up either.

INVESTIGATE.

HINT- Why would the congress not want to give the middle class an extension on tax cuts? Why are they against giving small businesses a tax credit, or provide for low interest loans from community banks???

Why?????

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That HAS to be Liberal math... not any sort of math that achieves a real answer.

The Government takes $1 off me... I have lost opportunity and can't spend it much less make money or invest it. And removes any incentive to earn another buck for that to be taken too.

Yet they claim that earns MORE money by giving it to someone that never earned it.?

It actually Looses money, not gains it.

Lets take YOUR entire paycheck... give it to the Project rats... lets see how much extra that earns for you and the government.

Sure the Project rats love the idea... but they are the only ones that profit over it. After all they got the paycheck someone else had to work to earn, not them. Remind yourself how much further ahead you actually are when bill time rolls around.

Pecular ideas. Smoothy you look to keep every dollar you ever earned, taxation is theft, right?

You want someoneelse to provide all those little services you need and use. Don't tell me you will pay yourself because these things can only be provided collectively. Your taxes buy roads, police, emergency services, bridges etc invisable most of the time and it should be extended to helping the less fortunate, keeps them out of your face, right?

I make the most of my check after taxes. Even when I was a project rat. Maybe I still am. That's not my value as a human, neither is my paycheck.

So do you sign the little box at the bottom of your tax return forms every year and donate a far bigger portion than you otherwise would have to pay? I'll wager you don't.

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Pecular ideas. Smoothy you look to keep every dollar you ever earned, taxation is theft, right?

You want someoneelse to provide all those little services you need and use. Don't tell me you will pay yourself because these things can only be provided collectively. Your taxes buy roads, police, emergency services, bridges etc invisable most of the time and it should be extended to helping the less fortunate, keeps them out of your face, right?

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I expect EVERYONE to pay an equal percentage of taxes... which doesn't happen, and its those same leeches that don't pay any Federal taxes, that are the major recipients of Federal handouts. That of course I have to pay far more of since then pay none of it.

And yeah... I ticks me off in a major way.

smoothy how do you measure that the person on the poverty line should pay the same percentage as you do? Or is it you want the billionaire to pay the same percentage as you do. Flat rate tax doesn't work it punishes those who can least afford it. Would you agree to abolishing all deductions and allowances?

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smoothy how do you measure that the person on the poverty line should pay the same percentage as you do? or is it you want the billionaire to pay tehe same percentage as you do. Flat rate tax doesn't work it punishes those who can least afford it. Would you agree to abolishing all deductions and allowances?

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They should pay the same percentage... 24% of $10,000 is not the same dollar amount as 24% of $1,000,000. But it is a fair equal percentage of your income.

Actions have consequences... the choice to drop out of High school, or not apply yourself when you are there... doesn't earn you a right to a free ride for life.

What world do you live in? Not on planet Earth apparently. If you loose $2,400 dollars out of $10,000 the possibility is you won't eat some of the time. If you loose $240,000 out of $1,000,000 you still have $760,000 and the ability to live very well. The person who earns $10,000 should pay no tax and let's face it, it matters not to the person who earns $1,000,000

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What world do you live in? Not on planet Earth apparently. If you loose $2,400 dollars out of $10,000 the possibility is you won't eat some of the time. If you loose $240,000 out of $1,000,000 you still have $760,000 and the ability to live very well. The person who earns $10,000 should pay no tax and let's face it, it matters not to the person who earns $1,000,000

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So? Why should the person that busted their butt in school, and busted their butt in college, and then busted their butt paying for college along with doing a far harder job have to pay not only for themselves but ALSO pay for the lazy bum that coasted through high school (assuming they even bothered to finish it), made no effort at higher education, and is happy doing the easiest job they can find?

Most poor people are poor due to their own choices in life. Now I am speaking of here in the USA where you have plenty of opportunity IF you apply yourself. Not Ethiopia, Not Sudan, and not India.

You are responsible for the choices you make in life. And being stupid and lazy isn't a free ticket for a free ride.

Maybe raising taxes on rich people like you would be just the thing to spur investment, and stop being fat and lazy about that big bag of loot you sit on. Unless you printed it yourself, somebody had to help you make it right?

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Maybe raising taxes on rich people like you would be just the thing to spur investment, and stop being fat and lazy about that big bag of loot you sit on. Unless you printed it yourself, somebody had to help you make it right?

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Gee, how about practicing what you preach... You should be happy to hand all your money over to be redistributed.

Or is it just like every other Democrat... you are only generous with other peoples money?

Trust me... my money would slip out of the country before they could seize it like the left would really love to do. Not that I have that much of it, but being Obama thinks I'm rich since I will be bearing the cost of his socialist programs... then why exactly should HIS millions be exempt from confiscation... and yes he does have Millions sitting in the banks.

And he is the Messiah isn't justification...

Or Hollywood. Why don't you take everything from the Hollywood types... and give it to the welfare bums? They hardly worked hard to earn it.

But then... anyone that can't see beyond their hatred of people that created this country... and want to exempt Hollywood who do nothing but pretend... really can't understand the real problem.

See how long we get by without big business? Not long I tell you. But we can get along quite well without Sports teams, and Hollywood for a very, very long time.

And besides... its my damn money, not yours, not anyone else's... I earned it, what I do with it is my business. And if I want to sit on it, its mine to sit on.

Why isn't Obamas millions invested someplace? He's got it stashed in several banks doing nothing that any big business isn't doing until someone that's pro-capitalism gets into office again.

Obama is no messiah, neither is the dollar. I worship neither, and neither do they define me.

Why do they define you??

They may not define you, but explain the rabid fury the left has to steal from those who work the hardest and those who have managed to become successful, to give it to those who are either too dumb or too lazy?

It doesn't "DEFINE" me either... but it has everything to do with providing for myself and my family, not only now, but after I am too old to work. Because heaven knows... I am the wrong racial background to expect handouts when I might need them. Particualrly with the correctly named Ponzi scheme, Social Security... take the money , waste it on other things, give it to people that never earned it, then after paying into it your entire adult life, when you need it, you get a sorry, but there's nothing left.

I don't have a big family... or a wealthy one... in fact I am the one who is best off in my family. I have no safety net, I have no one who can cover for me because thanks to Obama and what he did to the economy, they are barely able to take care of their own needs.

OK, if you aren’t tired of these so-called “Patriotic Millionaires” like Warren Buffet begging to be taxed more while refusing to send their extra money to the feds, maybe after this you will be.

Yesterday at Obama’s campaign event, “town hall” I believe he called it, an ex-Google employee asked Obama to raise his taxes. Right on cue of course, especially since he was a plant from the “Patriotic Millionaires.”

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“Will you please raise my taxes?” the man said. “It kills me to see Congress not supporting the expiration of the tax cuts that have been benefiting so many of us for so long."

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What’s really interesting in this is besides the fact the “Patriotic Millionaires” furnished Obama a plant for his campaign event, I mean town hall, and won’t give a generous offering to the government – is they want you to donate to their cause. They want YOU to pay for their campaign to raise other people’s taxes.

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OK all you progressives, show us your patriotism and send them your money so you can get your taxes raised.

Americans think they are highly taxed when they are one of the lowest taxes countries on earth. Denmark has the highest taxes. The tea party is being totally unreasonable about never wanting to raise taxes. They seem to forget that their hero Ronald Reagan raised taxes when it was necessary. Progress won't be made until most tea party fools in the House are defeated and I'm pretty right leaning on economic issues. One thing I find odd is that the tea party's policies support the rich, so whey are their biggest supporters trailer trash morons who can't even spell properly on their signs at rallies?