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Originally Posted by califdadof3

It seems that the party that Kerry is associated with doesnt want to take responsibility for anything. They want glory until it comes crashing down. According to thier train of thought it is still Bush's economy. They push for fighting between the peoples in the form of class warfare. They mandate programs that can't possibly be paid for and the list keeps going. If the TP or anyone else says something they try to get it dismissed even before it can be proven. Kerry and others are living in some kind of dream world and they can't believe that they lost in the last set of elections so they show thier extreme bitterness.

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Hi dad,

I am not involved in American politics so I am happy to take your word on the above.

My criticism was direct at your media and the way they lap up and disseminate the drivel from politicians.

Tut

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Nope. Your title is Liberal ignorance and intolerance, that's not one guy and you know it.

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I've explained myself enough and I really don't give a crap what you say. Just stop stalking me.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I've explained myself enough and I really don't give a crap what you say. Just stop stalking me.

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You should stick with your friends at FreeRepublic at least they are all of the same mind and do not like opinions that differ.

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Hi dad,

I am not involved in American politics so I am happy to take your word on the above.

My criticism was direct at your media and the way they lap up and disseminate the drivel from politicians.

Tut

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That is where we agree wholeheartedly. The media is out of control at this point. Im not sure how we can reign it in nor how long it will take but in today's world of fast news and breaking stories minute by minute we may never reach an equal and balanced approach to reporting.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

That is where we agree wholeheartedly. The media is out of control at this point. Im not sure how we can reign it in nor how long it will take but in todays world of fast news and breaking stories minute by minute we may never reach an equal and balanced approach to reporting.

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Yes I agree, and the politicians know that the more outlandish their statements the more likely the media is to run with it.

In my opinion Kerry is talking a load of nonsense for the most part. But he is right about one thing. The media needs to take more responsibility. I don't think this will ever happen because there is no way around the First Amendment as it applies to the Media.

Tut

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Originally Posted by TUT317

Yes I agree, and the politicians know that the more outlandish their statements the more likely the media is to run with it.

In my opinion Kerry is talking a load of nonsense for the most part. But he is right about one thing. The media needs to take more responsibility. I don't think this will ever happen because there is no way around the First Amendment as it applies to the Media.

Tut

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Yes, but what Kerry means by taking responsibility is 'favorable to Democrats'.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Yes, but what Kerry means by taking responsibility is 'favorable to Democrats'.

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Hi Speech,


I am sure that is what he means.


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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Who is he to determine what is an "absurd notion" that doesn't deserve coverage? Who is he to determine what is "legitimate" that does deserve coverage? He's entitled to his opinion, but as an elected official ESPECIALLY he needs to embrace first amendment rights like the one's he's expressing.

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He's a lying, intolerant, hypocrite that has no business posturing about media responsibility. That's what's wrong with it.

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If there is one thing I detest its hypocrisy. Which is why I responded to your thread when I normally don't get involved in such discussions.

He is an american citizen and, as such, can exercise his right to express his opinion. What you don't seem to understand is the first amendment is a double edged sword. You can't say that he is not embracing the first amendment by expressing his opinion! THAT IS HYPOCRISY!!

He was not being hypocritical, but you are.

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

If there is one thing I detest its hypocrisy. Which is why I responded to your thread when I normally don't get involved in such discussions.

He is an american citizen and, as such, can exercise his right to express his opinion. What you don't seem to understand is the first amendment is a double edged sword. You can't say that he is not embracing the first amendment by expressing his opinion!! THAT IS HYPOCRISY!!!

He was not being hypocritical, but you are.

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Really, Scott? I just got through saying to you "He's entitled to his opinion." You made a huge assumption in the first place that I didn't think he had a right to his opinion, and then ignored me agreeing that he does.

On top of that, I'm guessing it was you who edited my title based on another erroneous assumption by another user. Add to that the recent removal of one or more of my legitimate posts and I'm beginning to think it's AMHD that's the hypocrite.

Just close the thread, Scott. Apparently the idea here is to attack me for expressing my opinion on a current event, even by the mods. Oh, and I'm keeping a screen shot.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Really, Scott? I just got through saying to you "He's entitled to his opinion." You made a huge assumption in the first place that I didn't think he had a right to his opinion, and then ignored me agreeing that he does.

On top of that, I'm guessing it was you who edited my title based on another erroneous assumption by another user. Add to that the recent removal of one or more of my legitimate posts and I'm beginning to think it's AMHD that's the hypocrite.

Just close the thread, Scott. Apparently the idea here is to attack me for expressing my opinion on a current event, even by the mods. Oh, and I'm keeping a screen shot.

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You can type the words "he's entitled to his opinion", but the whole thread and several of your posts show you neither believe or agree with that.

You don't have to guess it was me who edited the title. I used my symbols (<>) to sign the Mod note. If you feel I have overstepped, report it.

Nor is anyone attacking you for expressing your opinion. We have, however, disagreed with that opinion and shown why. Also your oiriginal title was to bash a group of people over what one person said. That's why I changed the title. You started this thread and throughout the thread, attacked kerry for voicing his opinion. If you want to disagree with that opinion fine, but you ned to respect his right to express it. You have not don that in this thread.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Yes they should verify, but what we are running into today is a one sided media that tries to push the same agenda that Kerry is a part of.

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Hello dad:

I STRONGLY disagree... Oh, not that the print media is liberal, but that print media encompasses the ENTIRE media.

From MY standpoint, it's about EVEN... Clearly, the right wing DOMINATES talk radio from coast to coast, where not a liberal voice can be heard. And, let's not forget about FOX news who reminds us constantly, that they kick the liberal network, MSNBC's butt all the time. The blogosphere is about evenly divided, in my view.

The GOOD news for right wingers, is that PRINT media, if it IS liberal, is dying in any case.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello dad:

I STRONGLY disagree... Oh, not that the print media is liberal, but that print media encompasses the ENTIRE media.

From MY standpoint, it's about EVEN... Clearly, the right wing DOMINATES talk radio from coast to coast, where not a liberal voice can be heard. And, let's not forget about FOX news who reminds us constantly, that they kick the liberal network, MSNBC's butt all the time. The blogosphere is about evenly divided, in my view.

The GOOD news for right wingers, is that PRINT media, if it IS liberal, is dying in any case.

excon

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Sure there is left wing radio but they can't seem to make enough money to stay on the air.

Sirus has them.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Sure there is left wing radio but they can't seem to make enough money to stay on the air.

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Hello again, dad:

I think you made my point.

excon

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

You can type the words "he's entitled to his opinion", but the whole thread and several of your posts show you neither believe or agree with that.

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So your assumptions carry more weight than my direct statement? Specifically, show me where I have ever let on that certain people don't have the right to speak their opinion. Assumptions don't count, Scott. I in fact have many, many times defended Fox News' first amendment rights against those who would have it silenced. I have many times defended the right of those I disagree with to express their opinion.

I LOVE free speech as indicated here, here, here, here, here and here.

Should I go on showing how completely and utterly wrong you are? I shouldn't have to, while you were making assumptions that I didn't believe Kerry had a right to his opinion, I was saying as a representative of the people of this country, he should RESPECT the first amendment' and I quote, "He's entitled to his opinion, but as an elected official ESPECIALLY he needs to embrace first amendment rights like the one's he's expressing."

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Nor is anyone attacking you for expressing your opinion.

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I'm sorry, but NK implying I'm ignorant is an attack. YOU called me a hypocrite based on an asinine assumption, that's an attack.

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We have, however, disagreed with that opinion and shown why. Also your oiriginal title was to bash a group of people over what one person said.

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That's nonsense Scottt, the thread was an example of "Liberal ignorance and intolerance," not "liberals are ignorant and intolerant." Go change the titles on "Tea party Morons," "Tea party hypocrites," "Who is the most biggoted Republican presidential candidate?," "Why does the right wing HATE Elizabeth Warren?," or "Stupid Democrats." For some reason you decided to single me out today and that's pathetic for a moderator.

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That's why I changed the title. You started this thread and throughout the thread, attacked kerry for voicing his opinion. If you want to disagree with that opinion fine, but you ned to respect his right to express it. You have not don that in this thread.

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Really? Again? Twice now I've made it clear that "he's entitled to his opinion," and twice now you've told I don't respect his right to his opinion. Which of us is correct?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

NK implying I'm ignorant is an attack

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But your thread title was "Liberal ignorance" - you just attacked 250 million people! Half of your fellow Americans! It seems to be OK in your world to use that wording on people who will never see your thread but when the same wording is used on you you cry bloody murder - that my friend is hypocrisy.

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But your thread title was "Liberal ignorance" - you just attacked 250 million people! Half of your fellow Americans! It seems to be ok in your world to use that wording on people who will never see your thread but when the exact same wording is used on you you cry bloody murder - that my friend is hypocrisy.

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Whatever.

How about this? My apologies to my liberal friends who I adore, and reasonable liberals everywhere. In no way was the original title of my thread meant to disparage all liberals.

On the other hand, Jonah Goldberg would like to exercise his first amendment rights.

I will say this one more time. I don't want to get into an arguments with you. I stand by what I said. I believe people reviewing the thread will see that you are railing against Kerry for expressing his opinion, an opinion you claim to believe he is entitled to. My assumptions do not carry more weight, but your actual words do. You started this not disagreeing with what he said but disagreeing that he should have said it. If you are comfortable that my interpretation is erroneous, then people will judge me accordingly. I'm comfortable with that.

I did not single YOU out I singled this thread out because it attracted my attention. You have a point that it may have been unfair of me to single this thread out. So I will say that if you feel there are other threads where the title merits editing, please feel free to report them. As a moderator I cannot review EVERY post. To call my actions "pathetic" because I can't be everywhere is unfair.

So the other titles Speech mentioned were conveniently overlooked . What is amazing is how often discussions are edited or removed . I thought the discussion forums were set up for a more free and open exchange .

As for Kerry ;he is openly promoting censorship of his political opponents in his rant. The very idea that the media did not uniformly attack his comments proves they already take his advice to heart. One has to wonder why he fears the Tea Party message ? Or is it that he fears that Americans inherently embrace their constitutional message ?

In the video he never once refers to the Tea Party. His opinion is generic. Not sure how the tea party got involved in this.